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Shirley Manson Blasts "Petty" Kanye West for Beck Grammys Insult: "Grow Up"
It is YOU who is so busy disrespecting artistry.
You disrespect your own remarkable talents and more importantly you disrespect the talent, hard work and tenacity of all artists when you go so rudely and savagely after such an accomplished and humble artist like BECK.
You make yourself look small and petty and spoilt.
In attempting to reduce the importance of one great talent over another, you make a mockery of all musicians and music from every genre, including your own.
Grow up and stop throwing your toys around.
You are making yourself look like a complete twat.
Ps.I am pretty certain Beyonce doesn't need you fighting any battles on her account. Seems like she's got everything covered perfectly well on her own.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)I always wondered how he amassed that huge stash
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)The man was mildly obsessed.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)pretty awesome!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)He loved practically worshiped "Shirl" !
RichGirl
(4,119 posts)I like Kanye's boldness in saying whatever he damn well wants regardless of what anyone thinks. While everyone else behaves very proper in their fakeness.
Besides...who didn't love it when he came out with "George Bush doesn't care about black people." at the Katrina event. A wild card makes these tiresome events more interesting.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Hell yeah.
7962
(11,841 posts)Always been rude. Ruined Swifts award moment years ago. Runs his mouth like a child
Maybe he just cant handle the fact that his wife sells a helluva lot more tickets than he ever will
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Pure greed.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)She's Mrs. Carter - iE married to Jay Z who would probably throw himself out a window if he had Beck's money.
He wrote/raps this - song is called $100 bill.
Benjamin Franklins filled, folded just for the thrill
Go numb until I can't feel, or might pop this pill
Stock markets just crash, now I'm just a bill
History don't repeat itself it rhymes, 1929 still
Write like Mark Twain, Jay Gatsby, I park things
Yellow cars, yellow gold like Slick Rick
Still tip on four-four's (Who?)
Four-four's at the 4-0, (Wait), for O
Dollars fall on the skin, some might call it sin
Politicians all move for money, what the hell are we callin' them?
Low life, I'm crawlin' out, 911 I Porsched it out
Y'all niggas so hypocrites, y'all know what this shit is all about
100 dolla, 100 dolla bill real, uh
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Shes only known for being famous.
7962
(11,841 posts)She has no talent, other than what you'd see on her "videos"
As much as I dont care for him, he could have just about any woman. Why on earth would he hook up with HER.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)of Kardashian Free February.
Psssssssssst - Money.
7962
(11,841 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)And helps with the fashion thing. She was a stylist to that racist little Hilton chickie snot years ago. That's he so-called 'talent'.
I'm so ashamed of myself for knowing this. And no - I've never watched that trashy show. You can't avoid them when you go to buy groceries - alllllllll over the check out aisles. *smdh*
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Poseurs. Wannabees. Wonder how long till they flame out as a couple.
And to continue your shame for knowing, I'm ashamed for asking... Kim Kartrashian was a stylist for Paris Hilton?!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Sorry. Had to add that trivial tibit.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I hear these things from neighbors who know lots of useless information, but if that's true, we know how Kim got into a reality series.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And she went to HS with all of those beverly hills kids. After the RayJ sex tape she did, she got instantly famous. She was a stylist and puts together a nice outfit. I'm going to look up the mafia thing. Interesting if true.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)And when he viewed it he fell in love with her - body.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)Ewwww . . . The hell she JUSTstarted wearing Spanx! 
Now I'm Mulatta and have a "shape" - but my husband finds hers uuuuhhhm enhanced to be unattractive.
I gotta stop or I'll get us both in trouble here! 
Boudica the Lyoness
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)As President Obama said - he's a jackass.
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)It's being a self-absorbed jerk.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Like, we gotta care what ANYBODY thinks?
They are about to make me use caps locks.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)I kinda like hearing what other artists are saying about his, um, behavior.
To each his or her own, I suppose.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think many are jealous of his fame level. People are that way sometimes. You'd think he actually committed a crime or said racist shit like Iggy Azaelia. Everybody defended her, bu him, they trash. And she called herself the 'runaway slave master'. None of these folks 'weighing in' trashed her.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)more like disgust.
he should really learn to keep his mouth shut.
this is just my opinion.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)None of her business really. Beck said he still aspires to be like Kanye, so maybe she has no idea what the fuck is going on between them. Kanye said he was talking about the Grammys. Beck accepted that. They're still cool. Here she goes calling him a twat. Yeah. Maybe shutting up is the right thing.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)that's what it's for.
I hardly think the Grammy stage is what West's ego trips are for.
Again, just my opinion
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And so what if he has an ego. We all do. She sure does, nough to call a man a twat over his crticisms of the Grammys. If he should shut up about an american award show, she shoukd shut up about it too.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)she'll get your approval first.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)As long as she respects the free speech of others, fine with me. When she starts telling people to shut up, she can shut up. Real shit.
elias7
(4,006 posts)Real shit....
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Matter of fact, that boosted her career.
xocet
(3,871 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)xocet
(3,871 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)elias7
(4,006 posts)But how can you condemn garbage girl if you support kanye's garbage?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
xmas74
(29,674 posts)Twat is a bit more acceptable compared to here in the US.
She was pretty big in the alternative rock field back in the 90's-outspoken, very well informed. Very much a self-identified feminist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)She has to know how it is used here. She has been here many times. I have not seen where is is acceptable for Scottish feminists to use that word. I will look it up to see if scottish feminists approve of calling people female body parts.
I would say the same if the word was directed at her.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)She'd flinch at any mention of "b" or even "c" but twat? She doesn't even think about it because it's so common. She doesn't even associate it with a part of the female anatomy but instead thinks of it as another word for idiot. She has to be reminded that here in the US we consider that word to be a bit more taboo.
Sometimes we just have to think of where the person is from and move on. Did she mean it as an insult? Yes, but not on the level you've taken it to be. I'm also thinking that, if the word were aimed at her she probably wouldn't care.
Personally, I'm more offended by how Kayne felt as though Beyonce needed to be defended. She's a strong, powerful woman who can defend herself and she didn't need a man jumping in to do it for her. It seems to me that she felt that there was no reason to be defensive-she lost an award, nothing else. His action of jumping in and "defending" her when not asked to do so could easily seen as being demeaning, at least in the point of view of this feminist.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He said nothing there he has not said many times before about her. I think she can tell him her feelings herself.
I would never use words about another person that was culturally unacceptable in their nation, even if we share the same language. They use unnaceptable words for race there too, and I would not accept that either.
If her point was to speak on his rudeness, during which he called no one names, by calling him a twat, it fell flat to me. I did search and it seems they use it alot over there and some are angry with feminists for speaking out against the use of twat and cunt to describe people. I'll continue looking.
It's like the word cracker for me. Some people think it's acceptable and will not stop using it. I cannot use it. My mouth just won't make the word come out unless it's a an actual cracker.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)and I've told them to sit down and shut up-I can defend myself. I'm a proud, strong feminist who doesn't want to be treated like a fragile princess or a defenseless baby. The way he jumped in was wrong on more than one level. Someone close to him needs to tell him to stop unless otherwise asked to do so. Jumping in like he did gave off the vibe of her not being able to defend herself over something that didn't need defending.
Not everything language-wise is so Americentric.Try as we like we sometimes forget this. Sometimes we need to move on. It's a word that we personally don't use and was probably not used in the way that you've decided it was.
Beyonce is an intelligent woman. I'm sure she can handle her own without others jumping in for her. I'm also pretty sure that she knows when she needs help and how to ask for it. This was not one of those times.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Or just th gossip and the show? He speaks about the issue he was talking about all the time. Most of it was not about her at all. I was about the show itself and how the awards are given out. His problem has been talked into the ground for years in Black media. The only way anybody notices is for the week after ge does something like this, then on to the all white oscars, and he'll complain about that and nobody will even care. If he's a twat, so is anybody calling him a twat. He should protest whenever he wants. If people think Beyonce can defend herself, then why are they defending her themselves by calling her friend a twat? Bullshit excuse. She doesn't need Kanye to defend her or Shelly to defend her.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)I'm not going by what the media has reported. My kid wanted to watch it, so we watched it.
BTW-my daughter is fourteen and she knows who Beck is. Her response? "Solid choice-not too mainstream." She was more disappointed by alternative going to St Vincent instead of alt-j or Cage the Elephant. She was also rooting for Hozier over Sam Smith but I told her in advance it wasn't going to happen. (I do have to admit that I love that song by Hozier-beautiful, haunting song.)
Also, this entire thing is about Album of the Year. Album of the Year is awarded not just to the artist but to the producer, recording engineer and master engineer for the entire album. Song of the year goes to the songwriter themselves, not the artist. Record of the Year goes to the artist, the producer, the mixer or recording engineer for one track. Kayne should know the difference which is why his actions were silly. There were far more people involved than just Beyonce vs Beck. I know he did it to get his point across in the spotlight but it just doesn't fit.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)xmas74
(29,674 posts)At least I would be.
We were taught to be good losers and gracious winners. Unfortunately he is neither and that's the problem. There were other ways to get his point across instead of interrupting someone's "moment".
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And he destroyed his credibility when he married a Kardashian.
His fame will be over soon.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)He's just one guy, and not a bad one at that. Talented. Lyrical genius. Yeah, he is. His songs are works of art you have to dissect. Jesus walks got me through the death of my child. And i'm no believer. He helped me feel able to put one foot in front and go. I burned the college drop out, at the time i was one and still am. Listened to it on the bus from Long beach to Tustin. Everyday both ways.
He speaks his mind and other musicians should listen up. He is usually right.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)who don't have it coming. I agree that Kanye is talented. Shirley Manson is talented, too.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Are we talking about some old ass shit? Because Kanye said he was talking about the Grammys and Beck accepted that and said he still aspires to be like Kanye. So, maybe people don't know the details.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)It really is that simple.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)one of the best concerts I've ever seen. The music , the set, the zooming holographic planets and asteroids..... I still think about that concert. Kanye is Kanye . He has no filter. I don't know why anyone is shocked by this. I'm a big fan of Beck , too and he's not bothered by it , either. Through all my years of watching the Grammys, I've agreed with very few of their Album of the Year picks. They tend to be very vanilla and I'm not just talking about skin color.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They never go with the best, just the most 'marketable'. It's bullshit. I have no idea why anybody would expect the man who said 'George Bush doesn't care about black people!', at a relief concert for katrina victims on live TV, to suddenly become humble and meek.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Just to show some fucking respect to his fellow artists. It's not all about him, but somehow he manages to do just that. Narcissistic asshole married to an equally narcissistic asshole.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He and Beck are friends and Beck called him a Genius today. Says he wants to be even more like Kanye now. Seems like you're making it about you and your preferences. Talk about narcissism.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I said to "fellow artists," NOT "awards show." Beck has handled this situation with class. Kanye, not so much. Nor these assholes:
Ouch: Kim Kardashian took a pop at singer-songwriter Beck after he won the Album of the Year prize by pulling a shocked face alongside Chrissy Teigen and John Legend
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Its an awards show.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)and deep-down thinks Kanye is a flaming asshole, like so many others do.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)than Kanye has in his entire body.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Blast you and this thread... I gotta get to bed! 
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Says he understands where he was coming from and still thinks he's a genius and wants to be like him. Not faint praise. They know each other. Kanye apologized to him and they talked last night. Never know, they might collaborate.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)...
But imagine being Beck. You just won the biggest honor of your entire career for a work of artistry you take seriously, and a fellow artist decides to take your shining moment as an opportunity to demonstrate to the world that you don’t deserve it?
But Beck isn’t the only person West insulted. In awarding Beck, the Grammy voters had spoken en masse. What right does West have to appropriate the forum they’ve chosen to give the award as a soapbox to declare his dissent?
To his credit, Beck played it off goodnaturedly in the moment by inviting West jokingly to stay onstage. And though in his own post-show comments he’s made clear he bears no grudge against West, you have to wonder how he really feels in hindsight given the brazen insult West not only publicly paid him but then made sure to clarify in comments after the show.
....
But where’s the outrage? At the very least, it would be good to see some of West’s fellow artists speak out against him if NARAS doesn’t plan to go there. Because what happened to Beck today could just as easily happen to them tomorrow.
Maybe next time it won’t even be West that delivers the insult. Perhaps he’ll embolden another artist to up the ante next time and try an even more offensive stunt. There’s a slippery slope here that’s getting greased by the silence of the artistic community. This is not just about the West incident itself but the precedent it could set.
....
http://variety.com/2015/music/opinion/no-kanye-its-you-who-needs-to-respect-artistry-1201428662/
Kanye's a low-class jerk, and not just in the United States, evidently:
Kanye West a sore loser at MTV Europe awards
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's not very long. They may have more details later.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I've read of Beck speaking to US Weekly, but not Rolling Stone.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Why do you need it twice on this thread? Just want to make me do some work for you? Scroll down. I'm not your employee.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I don't think that necessarily gives Kanye's bad behavior a pass. Nor do I think Kanye is looking for a pass. He seeks out controversy because it serves his purposes.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's as sacred as the industry. Of course he likes attention. But I've watched him get called everything but a child of god on DU today. Shitbird, shitbag, twat. Much worse than anything he said, but he's so much worse than everybody else.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Still, the attention isn't hurting Kanye's feelings. This is exactly the result he knew to expect. Whatever else he is, I'm certain he is not stupid (contrary to opinion I've read elsewhere.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Kanye's little drama play has stirred up many deep emotional undercurrents. Had the threads not been so lengthy on DU today, I would have willfully ignored the brouhaha. As it turns out, I'm glad I didn't. It's been an illuminating conversation in many ways. Maybe that's the moral of this story after all.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I respect you here on DU, but I think you're way off the mark on this one.
The guy should not insert himself into other's moments of happiness.
Again, I quote the President - Kanye is a jackass.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)As long as the performer is fine with it and they worked it out. I don' see any reason to call him twat. I saw him get called shitbird, shitbag, piece of shit. All over an awards show? They probably scripted tha shit.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Nor does Taylor Swift.
I still go with jackass.
But we can agree to disagree because you're one of my favorite posters
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I never heard of him until just a couple of days ago. That's why I said boost. Under 30's don't know him, millenials, ya know? And since we are the biggest generation since the boomers, I thought they were trying to make sure we can match a name to a song on the radio by having Kanye do his thing.
Most of my friends were like 'Who is Beck?'
Now they know.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But he's been around for ages young'un.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I won't argue with you.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)KANYE: "My teacher said i'se a loser, i told her why don't you kill me"
(We'll save "i'se" for another day.)
What I find fascinating about Millennials is that technology is CONSTANTLY at their fingertips, but they seem to be clueless about so many things. A couple of 20-something coworkers -- at their smart phones every chance they get -- were completely in the dark as to the Paris shootings, and the killing of the Jordanian pilot.
If people didn't know who Beck was, why not Google the name, rather than spout off ignorantly? Same thing when Bon Iver won for Best New Artist. It's rather depressing to think that an entire generation would need Kanye pulling a stupid stunt to help them become informed.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)My mom listened to Marley, the Delfonics, Luther Vandross, Patti, the Commodores, the Sugar Hill gang, Prince, all better than Beck. Hip hop has been the biggest influence on music in the last 30 years, probably because they do sample other tracks. There has been and integration that many artists ignored. Kanye is a Original. There is no artist like him, he cannot b confused with someone lse or sound like someone else. That is the beauty of Kanye. Any good singer in Beck's genre can mimic him, no problemo. Not Kanye. Won't work. He is a producer, an artist, and an outspoken democrat.
https://m.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)WHUT?
You're making it sound as if Millennials don't venture out of their little age-related bubble. I find that fascinating. In my 20s I was listening to way-back musicians like Jelly Roll Morton and Nina Simone, '60s, '70s, and current offerings. But this was before Corporate America tightened its grip on radio stations and the music industry. I feel fortunate for that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I know Nina Simone. I was born in the 80 and grew up in the inner city. We had no access to even a punlic library until I was older.
We do venture out. But sometimes peopoe think their stuff was more awesome and younger popoe change the fashion to fit the times. You guys did it, now we are. There is much more past music for us to go through. 30 years more music. We hve to be selective and choose what we like. The reason the music is popular, is because its the sound of this generation. We won't like our kid's music either.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)not commercial stations. That seems to be the dividing line -- indie vs. (what I consider) Corporate Crap.
I'm fortunate to have lived in a pre-Clear Channel world. I spent a lot of time listening to "black" DC stations, and it wasn't all CURRENT music. We had outstanding alt, classical, and classic rock stations, and a couple of cheesy pop/easy listening stations. But this was in the Dark Ages, pre-Internet. Now everyone has music at their fingertips, but seem less exposed to what's out there. It seems very insular. And we're all selective and choose what we like -- no difference between generations there.
Many of these wildly successful pop stars can't sing for shit, but CorporateAmerica decided they'd be stars, and stars they are. I find that kind of sad for an entire generation...
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Kanye falls into the mainstream, corporate crap category, while Beck's more on the indie side of things. When I was younger most of my friends hadn't ever heard the stuff I liked listening to, and that's never changed, apart from Pearl Jam who everyone's heard of, and Beck for about five minutes when Loser became a huge hit. And when I was a kid I thought Led Zeppelin was the name of an old blues guitarist or something, until I heard them and decided they were pretty crap except for 'When the Levee Breaks'.
If it was an age thing, my 22 year old daughter wouldn't like Beck or Radiohead or Blur. She didn't like the mainstream stuff on the radio, so she went looking for stuff she liked and found it. And there's people the same age as me who listen to only stuff that's played on the commercial radio stations. I got a few 'Who the hell is Beck?' ones when I was talking about it yesterday, so I gave them this link, which crosses those supposed generational boundaries...
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=who+the+hell+is+beck%3F
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I spent alot of time listening to underground rap, and when they went mainstream they lost a bit of the magic.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)and this one....
and this one....
well....you are missing out on some of the finest music ever made in America.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)In my day the 70's was the oldies. My cousins call my stuff from the 90's classics and call me old. I never was into ragtime very much, but I did like soul, blues, r and b, and a bit of classic country. There is much more music avilable, some things slip through.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)listened to Linda Ronstadt, Neil Diamond, and The Bee Gees. While there are moments where I appreciate those musicians, thank GOD I got out of that Wheel House and explored other forms of music.
Beck is worth a listen. I'm not a huge fan. I've listened to Kanye. Same thing. But both of their music affects newer artists, and I think it's great to be familiar with different genres.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I did find a few of his songs that I liked last night. Now I Remember him. My mom used to embarass me all the time by playing Peter Tosh loud and dancing on the porch, looking back, it was fun.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)I think the music of our parents can bring back good (or bad) memories! Lots of embarrassing! Especially when they'd sing along... loudly... in public.
padfun
(1,786 posts)have you or your friends ever heard of Led Zeppelin?
I'm just trying to get a scope of what young people feel today.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think young people have very different tastes from each other. So much to choose from. I know a kid who is 15 and listens to the Ramones like they are his Gods. Kids have so many choices. Some of them go to garage sales to get all the old record to collect and find their bands that way. I think our kids are cool.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Garage sales and flea markets. I pre-date the internet so sometimes I heard about bands through reading NME and I'd go and search the music out. And a friend with awesome taste in music used to make me mix tapes. If I'd been born a generation earlier I would have been listening to Screaming Jay Hawkins, Peruvian flute music recorded by a Yogi while doing some transcendental meditation, and Frank Zappa probably would have made sense to me. I'm kind of grateful I was born when I was
BklnDem75
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elias7
(4,006 posts)Kanye's problem is that he actually gives a shit about awards. They're bullshit. Amazing a genius like him actually takes this crap seriously.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Understandable. Black people are always seeking approval from America and get rejection. The industry is filthy, once his mama died, he lost his rock. Destroyed him.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)It is sad that he lost his mother, but he now has a new family that seems to have fully embraced him. And don't take your "issues" out on other artists during their big moment. It's just not right. Surely his mama taught him that?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)from privileged assholes, of all colors.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)
K. U win.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Nobody else had the guts to say that about George Bush.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)His best friend when they need him to say what they WON'T Say. Then he should be more respectful and shut up. Please. He ain't never been any different.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)That made him look really, really stupid. I guess he ain't never been any different in that regard
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Kanye on the other hand needs to learn basic impulse control...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)
MuttLikeMe
(279 posts)Beck was NOT being disrespectful. Kanye was.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)In general, these award shows are a bunch of predictable self-congratulatory bullshit, but Beyonce was the safe choice here.
(Although Beck has been a longtime critical darling, so I suspect him winning was as much based on his body of work over the years as much as for this particular album.)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)That was the issue. Black performers get passed up no matter how much they sell. Or who bites their style.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammy_Award_records#Most_Grammys_won_by_a_female_artist
Black performers have won piles of Grammys - the female list is about 3/4 black. Beyonce herself has won more Grammys that any other female artist except for Alison Krauss (who is both exceptionally talented, AND completely dominates a niche where she can win the same awards year after year).
bravenak
(34,648 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Looking at the last decade, I see Ray Charles, Herbie Hancock and OutKast for best album. Quincy Jones, Whitney Houston, Lauryn Hill, and Natalie Cole in the 90s. Doesn't look like black performers are especially underrepresented in that category either. It has been awhile though (2008), I'll give you that.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We started getting passed up at hip hop awards shows. It ok to complain and let the ptb know it's being noticed. Lots of money is made off of the art of black musicians.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Top Winners:
Quincy Jones, Stevie Wonder, Kanye, Jay-Z, Beyoncé, Aretha Franklin, Ray Charles, Alicia Keys, Ella Fitzgerald, Leontyne Price, Shirley Ceasar, Chaka Khan, Cece Winans, Mary J. Blige, Natalie Cole.
Why are you throwing out such false statements?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)were up against only BLACK artists, and that's the only reason they won, for if whitey were in the mix, they wouldn't have won? Seriously?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Are you saying All of those white artists should beat the black artists they went up against or that its not strange that it has been 8 years since a black person has gotten album of the year, even when they outsell and get better critical acclaim for their work? That there is no racism in the MUSIC INDUSTRY? Wow. Goodnight.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Yes, go to bed. Everything always looks brighter in the morning.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Looks like a pretty diverse list overall.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Black performers have collectively won hundreds of Grammys (let alone other awards). Are you seriously proposing that they weren't up against white artists in the majority of these cases?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Against white artists few. Thats how it is, thats how its always been. Black people been talking about this and the Oscars for ever. That's why we made up the BET music awards. To get SOME recognition for black artists.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)No question that black actors and filmmarkers are underrepresented there.
I just don't see how you can look at the lists of Grammy winners and come to the conclusion that black musicians aren't winning them.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)How much you wanna bet he does it again in the next few years? After all of this attention, there is no way it doesn't happen. Soon he'll be at the Disney Awards taking the mic from a child that beats his child for an award. J/k
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)Still a bit of childish ego-tripping, but a memorable moment to liven up a dull event. And Beck was clearly a good target, since he took it in stride.
Tearing down Beck after the show and totally dismissing his own artistry and contributions to our musical culture is crossing a line between childish prank, and unpardonable boorishness though. He seems to be in the "no such thing as bad publicity" camp, so you're probably right.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)At least theres that. And Kanye will have to keep repeating how great Beck is for about a month.
U4ikLefty
(4,012 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)probably don't even know who Kanye is.
Again, I stick with the President's opinion.
Kanye is a jackass. Even Samuel Jackson told him where to stuff it yesterday.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)The rest of the stuff, no. Twat, shitbag, shitbird, illiterate, worth less than one of Beck's shits? I saw all of that. All of that and more.
If Kanye took exception and decided to call her a bitch for calling him a twat, you know damn well everybody would be pissed off. So no. I don't want men using language like that on women and in exchange we need to not use it either on men. If she is a feminist woman she should know that much. Twat, cunt, whore, bitch, etc, not acceptable.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)running around on the tractor.
I've not seen the news and wondered why this thread was so long.
Wow. A shitstorm I guess huh?
Totally agree with you on the name calling
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Yeah. Lots of shit references.
With ducks, dogs, chickens, and a goose - I step in it every day! 
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Sorry B, I fell asleep last night or I would have been right here with you.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)body to sit and talk about him and tear him down over comments he made. Like he's some big black evil.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)a white person to get a VERY relevant point across. At least Ye has the fuckin balls to point out the hypocrisy of the awards once again. Too bad most people are to clueless to get what he was saying.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I lost my fucking filter when I came back a week later. My poetry is better. I feel things more. I feel like time is short, say what you want. People have no understanding.
They need to listen to this one. When I woke up, I listened to this on my ipod. Him and Nas, "if I ruled the world'. If I ever die again I think it will be the last death. He probably feels in a rush too.
https://m.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Lamar Kendrick, yes that's what they said.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
You cannot make shit like this up.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)educated them on who exactly Kendrick Lamar was. Then proceeded to laugh at them some more. It was actually the same person that posted the first Kayne OP.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)It's like we have a bunch of Jon Snow's in here. (If you do not know who Jon Snow is, please pm me, we have much to discuss)
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)but what was the relevant point? That Beyonce is a better artist than Beck? Isn't that subjective?
xocet
(3,871 posts)Music is fashion. If Kanye West does not like who wins, maybe he should start the Kanye West Music Awards. Then, he would not even need to attend the Grammys.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Bush in public! Didn't see the Grammys so I'm just guessing he insulted Beck. That may help him, it helped Taylor Swift.
More important things to think about imo. But I did love his attack on Bush. I laughed my head off when I heard it.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)If people did not know who Beck was before, they sure in the hell do NOW! He will sell more albums. You are so right.
I laughed about that shit he did until I cried a few weeks back. The way Mike Meyers looked... Classic Kanye.
Kayne always does this. One day we'll be thanking him for something he says in the future about somebody else who seems to maybe be winning the dem or repub nomination for President. He is nice to Obama. Next person will not be spared his tongue.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I've mentioned it on some other threads here. Rocked my world. I still think about it often too. Who opened when you saw it? Where I saw it, it was supposed to be Rihanna but she cancelled. Turned out to be Lupe Fiasco who I loved. Mind-blowing show. Kanye's one of the top performers I've ever seen live. Never seen Beck in concert but would love to. I've heard he's great in concert as well.
I call for a Kanye-Beck-Beyonce tour!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)(they had TWO drum kits), Rihanna (Chris Brown was with her but he stayed backstage). That concert was my first exposure to Lupe. I loved him! Pharrell kept pulling people out of the audience to get on stage and dance.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)ceremony is not the proper place to protest a win....
And Beck got a righteous win.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)So why does she need to be in it? Beck says he wants to be like Kanye. Said it today. Said he understands exactly what Kanye was saying. If Beck is not mad, and they are still friends, why call him a twat?
And pardon me but, and awards show is not a sacred temple. He did not interrupt a wedding. Or a funeral. I believe there is no designated protest zone. If a black artist wants to protest at and awards show that has historically passed up black artists many times in the past, I support that.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)She should have called him a bellend and been done with it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)FYI....I owe you an apology. I recently reread that three year old thread by johnnaries about Glenn Greenwald.....and girl gone mad and dbackjon rightfully took me task within the thread, and I understood what they were saying, and removed my recommendation after reading what they wrote....but I don't think my in-thread acknowledgement went far enough. So I'm sorry for having caused you offense. I offer no excuse. My critiques of Mr. Greenwald stem from contempt of him as an attorney and advocacy journalist, and I should have joined with you in suggesting to the OP that they rethink their outlook. Sometimes.....I really do need a smack to the head, as I detail, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6200927
I hope you will accept my apology.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)I'm not into name calling. Ahd it seems like when a black man does something everybody piles on like he killed christ. Call him shitbird? Twat? Over a probably staged event? Everybody get a chance to be superior. I've never even seen republicans get called names like that on here. Kanye is a liberal who is on our side. Fuck calling him names. That car accident that almost killed him changed his personality. Nobody knows why. He is dealing with racism in the industry, she will never experience that. But someone may go on a sexist tirade and start calling her names one day. I'd say the same thing then. Stop calling people out of their names. Stop dehumanizing people you don't like. They save the nastiest comment for black men. Thug (richard sherman) for saying thing people don't like at a time when they don't want to hear it. Shitbird (a racist reference to black criminal suspects) twat ( a vagina, which are awesome).
If they wanted a smooth awards show, they would not have invited him. If they invite him again, he'll do it again. That is what he does. And the comments bout his wife. The might as well just call her a coal burner and get it over with.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)1. The head of the penis, being vaguely bell shaped. Like a mushroom head.
2. A complete idiot.
When you are drunk, you dance like a bellend.
by esadbaf October 12, 2004
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bellend
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)may be polar opposites of each other.
Personally? I can't stand Kanye or any of the Kardashian's.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Put aside your celebrity worship and acknowledge that whatever talent he has, he can't seem to behave with simple courtesy.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I take exception to the dehumanization of this black man. Sue me. He never called Beck any names, he was rude, but calling people out of their names is also rude and disgusting. I saw someone say that Beck's shit was worth more than Both Beyonce and Kanye's entire repertoire. Those two black artists life's work worth less than the fecal matter from a white man's ass. I feel very horrified by that dehumanizing language.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I listened to the entire album when I came home from work. I haven't watched the Grammys in years (decades?), but was pleased that Beck was recognized.
I remember the furor over Bon Iver. And didn't Esperanza Spalding beat The Biebs for Best New Artist, causing meltdown in certain circles? Sometimes the Grammys do get it right.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Go check out Garbage on YouTube. Such an amazing band...
Anyway, who the hell is Kanye West?
bravenak
(34,648 posts)than she ever has in 20 or 30. If he called her a twat, I'd be pissed off at him.
He has been on top of the charts for an entire decade and has influenced many artists in hip hop.
Maybe you should look up 'Jesus Walks' and then decide. The man is a lyricist. And he speaks to the pain of young black american in this racist society. Maybe she doesn't understand the history of black music in America and how the very songs written by us have been stolen and rerecorded.or that black artists rarely win against white artists at the Grammys and that was his problem. He has been speaking about it for years.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I don't know why yr going on about black music this and black music that. The guy acted like a fucking wanker and it doesn't matter what colour he is.
And apart from a 'WTF, that was random!' moment when finding out Beck won a grammy, the Grammy's are a waste of time and cater mainly to commercial crap (again I don't give a shit what the colour of the artists are). I guess some people speak out against shit that matters and others like Kanye whine about how Beyoncé should get Grammys and that Beck needs to respect artistry. What a moron.
btw, I did hear Kanye's duet with Chris Martin once. I think Chris Martin sucks, and I didn't ever listen to it again.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)They asked him afterwards and he told them what he meant.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)That's what he said. It was a wanky thing to say. I think Beyoncé's okay, even if she is a bit too commercial for my tastes, but going on about her not winning is pretty lame. And picking Beck to do it to? Mr Kardashian picked the wrong target this time...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I dunno. When I first read that I got the impression he didn't even know who Beck was, like what he'd done as a musician and stuff. Maybe someone took him aside later and said 'Hey Kanye. That guy? Here's an album called Odelay you need to listen to. Then you better go and say you were talking about the Grammy's, not him'.
I'm fine with speaking up about stuff, but not at the expense of Beck. Iggy Azalea, I'd be all meh about coz she isn't an artist imo, but I'd still think it was a bit rude and probably a bit embarrassing for Beyoncé...
btw, have you heard much Beck? He was my staple diet in the 90's and beyond. I went off him a bit after Sea Change coz it was a bit too mellow, but I always loved this song from it, and it's really easy to play when I want to impress my friends by playing songs they've never heard of
bravenak
(34,648 posts)After this I think I may have to listen and see if I know any. Probably do, I was a teen of the 90's, but you know,I liked rap, hip hop, alternative, a bit of heavy metal, but, I mostly listened to black music. From TLC to NAS.
Thanks for the video. I'll listen now.
EX500rider
(10,848 posts)"Loser"
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I sing that song all the time.
A-Schwarzenegger
(15,596 posts)I don't really care that much about the Grammy award part of this but I wish that Kanye would rethink that one comment about Beck respecting artistry.
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)I'd say Eryka, Lauren, Tori, Jann (Arden - Canadian singer), DiFranco knocked her socks off. I still listen to them - but Garbage I don't think those CD's came out of the box when we moved into our house in 2013.
Personal Preference - time, space, place. I'll always remember how Crucify made me 'feel' the first time I heard it. I don't think the movement that Garbage came out - any of that music ever really 'spoke to me' - I couldn't identify with a lot of it.
Time, space, place perspective drives a lot of our nostalgia for music of days past. 
And the 1990's - was when I really started to get deep into blues music.
Bessie Smith blows all of those girls I mentioned away. And her music is still relevant today - the skepticism and snide derision at the so-called American Dream that never existed for many groups in this country . . . it still speaks to certain segments of America today.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)..and then realised that I already had something by her on my ipod (Kitchen Man). I love music from that era. I call it the Crackly Mono era, and some of that stuff's really good.
Yeah, I agree it's all personal preference, but I'm an opinionated music snob and can't help myself
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)it had to be said...
arcane1
(38,613 posts)That's my only contribution to this discussion
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Some Americans use the word "c**t" too...just as immature.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)or how those from the UK use them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twat
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)The word twat is vulgar slang for the human vulva,[1] but is more widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English, referring to a person considered obnoxious or stupid
why do you think they use it as a Euphemism for "stupid and obnoxious"?
origin:
1650-60; perhaps orig. dialectal variant of *thwat, *thwot, presumed Modern English outcome of Old English *thwat, akin to Old Norse thveit cut, slit, forest clearing (> E dial. (N England) thwaite forest clearing)
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Because it is slang for a woman's vagina, for a thousand, Vanilla.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)alternative.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)"It is also used informally as a verb in British English to mean to hit or punch a person."
"As a derogatory insult, a pejorative meaning a fool, a stronger alternative to the word twit – 'He can be a complete twat' (often used in the UK)[6]"
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Amurkins are the only people that get to define words.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)They're so caught up in "twat," they're missing one of Manson's points: Beyoncé is a strong, successful woman who doesn't need Kanye West coming to her rescue. What's REALLY funny is that they identify as "feminists." 
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)The sexual annotation is WAY less important than the personality description in the UK.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)low class...
The "n" word used to be in common usage in America....
that word is offensive and immature.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)one of the things I love about DU.
7962
(11,841 posts)I swear we're populated by either a bunch of 12 yr olds or 80 yr olds
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I remember a few months ago there was a whole lot of exploding heads over a clip of a government minister (male) in Parliament calling the opposition leader (male) the C word. It set off a thread of hundreds of outraged posts, most of them ignoring that this was said in Australia where the word's not as offensive as it is in the US and is used differently.
Twat's the same thing in the UK. Shirley Manson's Scottish so why should she be expected to cater for sensitive segments of the US population on her Facebook page? Anyway, her sentiment's spot on. Kanye's a bit of a wanker behaving like that and trying to spoil things for Beck (yes and before that even Taylor Swift even though I'm no fan of hers unlike with Beck and Garbage). The only thing that would have been wankier would have been if Kanye had done that to Thom Yorke.
And Garbage? OMG, I so loved them back in the 90's.
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)I love Shirley Manson and she is spot on with her comments. I remember the "c-word" debate. It was American exceptionalism at it's finest.
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Excellent taste, Mr Aegis!
LOL. I was going to go searching for that c-word thread just so I could have a laugh again but this thread and the ire at Shirley talking like people in the UK do will probably provide a few more laughs anyway
Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)I have all their albums. Have a CD my husband made for me with 4 albums on it and it's been in car CD player for 2 years! I even started watching that tv show about the young John Connor when she was added as a cast member, right before it was cancelled. I would totally go lesbian for her!
My two fave vids: "Why do you love me?" and "The World is Not Enough". I love #1 Crush!
Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)I'm kind of boring with my fave Garbage song, though. 'Only Happy When It Rains' has always been right up there as best song of theirs for me...
btw, I did find that other thread where there was an, uh, lively discussion of the use of the c-word in Australia. It was funnier than it was the first time I read it...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024961462
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I know, those are two weird choices....
I saw Garbage both times they came to Boston in 2012 and 2013. Shirley is still amazing.
7962
(11,841 posts)And after this article I had to go to youtube and listen to some of the old songs again. I always loved them too. Still find myself humming "Stupid Girl" to this day!
ANd maybe Congress could learn from us, right? There's ALWAYS something to agree on somewhere!!
DRoseDARs
(6,810 posts)
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Pearl clutching is prudish objection to language simply because it is graphic or explicit. That is NOT the basis for VanillaRhapsody's and my objections. It is the sexism/misogyny of trying to insult a man by basically calling him a woman (a vagina or "twat" , thus insulting women.
To call that "pearl clutching" is itself sexist. You suggest that the objection is due to dilettante-like hyperventilating at the reference to a sexual body part. That is an insult to feminists. Most feminists are quite comfortable with sex and sexual language, just not sexism. There is a difference.
If you don't like progressive, feminist comments to your posts, trying posting elsewhere instead of insulting DUers.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)WHO THE FUCK ARE "YOU" to tell ME where and what to post???????????
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)If you don't like feminist comments to your posts, why are you posting on DU?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)who doesn't need Kanye West to rescue her.
How are you and the other "feminists" missing that? Oh, right, the UK use of the word "twat."
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And she and Kanye are good friends too. He knows sh can stand up for herself. Everybody that follows Beyonce, like I do, knows that sh was caught telling Jay Z off recently about calling Rhianna. So, he knows her personality and she knows his. He is her biggest fan. Period. He may be a bigger fan than Jay-Z.
And she knows what Twat means in America. If nigge@ meant something different in England I bet she would respect the language of the person she is addressing and not use it.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)It means vagina. It states that, in essence, being called a woman is an insult; that women are synonymous with stupid. How are you missing that?
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)and I find it highly disgusting and disturbing your zeal in defending this lowlife
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)in his lyrics.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)If you are referring to Kanye, I am not defending him either. I said Manson's facebook post was "a righteous rant" (see my post #42 from yesterday). In other words, I liked it. I just disliked her use of a sexist epithet.
Sheesh. Is that really a reason to attack a DUER and gratuitously insult them by saying they're "full of it"?
Why the anger?
You do realize when you post something you might get opinions about it that you disagree with, right?
7962
(11,841 posts)No difference here.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)Yet men are called twats or pussies. Because it is a big insult to be called a vagina, i.e. a woman.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Since this is obviously a site for people in the USA, then yes that word would not be appropriate here. Likewise we wouldn't be telling all the men in England to get off their fannies because men don't have one.
But still, common and vulgar.
In the meantime, please enjoy this re-run special of the "Upper Class Tw*t of the Year"
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)its disgusting...the brits also use the C word....are you going to argue in support of that too?
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Something Shirley Manson should be a little bit more mindful of, perhaps?
That particular t-word, the c-word, and the n-word are not appropriate on this forum.
SunSeeker
(51,557 posts)I don't know why anyone, especially a woman, thinks it's clever to insult a man by basically calling him a woman.
It's kind of like insulting herself really. After all, she is the one with the "twat," not him.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and she is being a hypocrite by using it...
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)featured throughout much of rap/hip-hop music. He's anything but respectful to some of his fellow artists. Interestingly, a young white woman and low-key indie white dude.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I'm a Brit and I have posted about these words at the end of this thread. I'd like you to have a gander at it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)It is a slur based on a woman's anatomy...no way around that. Brits also use the word "cunt" the same way....
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)One is TWAT and it means an idiot - it's even pronounced differently. The other word is twot and means a woman's privates.
SHE WAS NOT CALL HIM A VAGINA.
My dad says "blow me" or "I'll be blowed" He is not talking about oral sex, like you would accuse him of, but actually it comes from "Blow me down". As in, "I'm so surprised you could blow me over". There are many such phases that cause embarrassment. My aunt was telling me how her unmarried adult son loves his pussy. You would think the dirty old bugger loved to have sex with woman. No Pussy = cat.
Words have changed their meanings over the years. Bugger is a swear word in the UK but doesn't mean buggery anymore. In the US it can mean little child as in 'cute little bugger'. My parents couldn't stop laughing when we drove past the 'Little Buggers Daycare' here in America.
I could go on and on. But you know what I don't think I'll bother. I'm going to sod off.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I mean, there's like one every other week or so. What's one more? We could call it the "Kanyes," and Kanye West could decide all the winners, announce them, present the awards, and give the acceptance speeches. I'm sure it would be bigger than whatever awards show he was on the other night.
840high
(17,196 posts)FSogol
(45,485 posts)
There's a Kartrashian joke in there somewhere, but not gonna touch that...
FSogol
(45,485 posts)
spanone
(135,835 posts)
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I totally agree.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)between those who think Kanye at times behaves like a boorish jerk and those who completely agree with Shirley's criticism of his jackassery.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts) 7962
(11,841 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)If Mr. West wishes to hold a press conference outside the awards hall and give his frank opinion about everything, that's totally fine with me. Call me old-fashioned, but I think winners of awards should be able to enjoy their "moment in the limelight" with no distractions. We may not agree with the choice of winners, but, that's how it's been done for decades. I'm totally fine with that tradition.
I guess it's obvious that Mr. West and I do not agree.
I'm still stewing about the Super Bowl, but I wouldn't have commandeered the trophy presentation to rant about how much the winning team sucks
steve2470
(37,457 posts)I admire Mr. West's bravery and insight, but I do think his choice of time and forum severely detracts from his overall message. We end up talking about...tada....the time and forum issues.
ND-Dem
(4,571 posts)schtick with him?
tishaLA
(14,176 posts)Lots of repubs thought he was out of line for speaking out on that "hallowed" occasion, too.
And they hitched when Michael Moore spoke out at the Oscars, too.
Maybe we need more people who don't respect decorum right now. Because decorum is helping all the wrong people.
What Mange should have said: how is it that in the past ten years, exactly ONE African American has won a Grammy for best album? And why is it that people with real talent--people like Bey and, yes, Yeezy himself--are dismissed as "commercial" merely because they manage to marry their artistry with the cultural zeitgeist, while lack of sales is treated as if it's sacrosanct artistry?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)And Kanye West didn't interrupt when he spoke about Bush.
I don't think the Grammies are "hallowed;" they're silly.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beck-responds-to-kanye-grammy-diss-i-thought-beyonce-was-going-to-win-20150209
Beck handled the jab like a champion. "I was just so excited he was coming up," he told US Weekly during the Universal Music Group after-party. "[West] deserves to be onstage as much as anybody. How many great records has he put out in the last five years, right?" The alt-rock icon also confirmed he wasn't offended by the rapper's post-Grammy comments: "I thought she was going to win. Come on, she's Beyonce! . . . You can't please everybody, man. I still love [West] and think he's genius. I aspire to do what he does."
There are plenty of people who complain about award shows, whether it's the Grammys or the Oscars. Yeesus just has his own way of communicating his displeasure, which some find abrasive and self-serving.
But I always admire people who speak their minds, even if their opinions aren't necessarily popular.
diabeticman
(3,121 posts)to a then 16/17 year old Taylor Swift... (not that I can stand her music) but that was just a creep in action
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)
lib87
(535 posts)I've miss that Kanye every time this new Kanye speaks.
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)
rocktivity
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(31,823 posts)She's such a pretty little sweetheart! Thanks for this!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I think she has some drool on her sleeve.
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)Thx for saying it.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)People are listening to his music now due to Kanye's ill-advised behavior. Some because they've never been exposed to Beck, some out of sympathy.
He gave a very gracious interview in response, praising Kanye and Beyonce, which embarrassed Kanye further.
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)And Kanye looks like an ass yet again. Unfortunately, I think his “Beck needs to respect artistry" bullshit ended up hurting Beyonce.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)A segment where artists diss the shit out of each other to increase record sales. Lol.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)...you don't need to be on the stage. Period. He may think he's being cool, when in fact he's coming off as a self-important ass.
Manson's comments are duly noted. Now it's time to move on. West has gotten more than his fair share of press for this stunt.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)Back in the day I had the serious hots for her. This just makes me like her even more.
ann---
(1,933 posts)Kim's husband is his claim to fame, I guess he needs to make noise once in a while. What a loser.
azmom
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Beaverhausen
(24,470 posts)Seriously, he has grammies- why tell Beck he should give his to someone else?
Asshole.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)What did Obama say about him. Something about him being a jackass. Spot on Mr. President.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I disagree with many of Obama's policies, but he is a class act. Kanye should learn a thing or two, but as long as he's raking in the big bucks, I'm sure he couldn't care less.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)West shouldn't have been so rude. This is quite clear. Mason prolly coulda used a different word than "twat. See? That was easy. Falling over oneself to defend West because you like his music is about as fanboy/girl as you can get.
No I don't care for his music. It's not my thing. But I'm not getting worked up that Volbeat or We Came As Romans aren't getting play at the Grammys. Two of my favorite bands, and they nor their fans are running up on stage. It's pretty fucking obvious from his actions and words that he doesn't respect other artists. Which is odd for a man who complains he gets no respect.
So boo-fuckin-hoo for West, I'm sure his bank account will help him through this difficult time. He seems to have done quite well for a man with so many grievances. Pointing that out, I'm sure I'll be labeled a hater. Oh, well.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)I've heard a couple Kanye songs that don't make me grimace in agony. I just figure I don't get it.
I do enjoy a vast variety of hip-hop music. From Mos Def, Del, Dre, Doug E. Fresh to Immortal Technique, Jasiri X, Chuck D and Madvillain.
Not this guy for some reason. But everyone says he is perhaps the greatest musical genius of modern times. Surpassing the likes of Hendrix, David Gilmour, Steve Ray Vaughn, Neil Young, Michael Jackson, Johnny Cash etc. So I'm missing something.
I'll stick with Beck & Nas.
maxrandb
(15,330 posts)that there is a huge difference between writing and producing your own songs and actually playing a musical instrument to produce something great like Beck, and needing 4 producers, 10 songwriters, and flashy production to create what Beyoncé created.
Don't get me wrong, I think Beyoncé is very talented, but there is a difference between being a singer-songwriter, and just a singer.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Just heard on the radio this morning that Beck wrote all the music/lyrics and played all the instruments on his award-winning album whereas there were 68 people involved with the Beyonce album, presumably just on the musical end.
One's an artist, the other is an artfully packaged commercial commodity. Bet you can figure out which is which,
brendan120678
(2,490 posts)BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)By that metric McDonald's is a better restaurant than Daniel Boulud. The lowest common denominator always moves the most product.
Artistry requires integrity and doesn't come from publicists, image-makers and focus groups.
BklnDem75
(2,918 posts)Not so much for a decade long achievement. Please don't presume to know the integrity of someone you never met. If you don't like her, just say that.
ErikJ
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m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Beck plays 14 instruments, Beyonce needs four people to write her a song.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Case fucking closed.
VScott
(774 posts)He deserves zero respect and asks for every bit of criticism directed at him...
Kanye West has high expectations from his fans at concerts. And if you can't meet them, he's going to need to know why.
While performing in Sydney on Friday, West paused his performance to request that all audience members stand before he went on with the show. It's not unusual for an artist to ask the audience to physically participate, but West's insistence at his concert Friday led to a very uncomfortable moment.
"I've decided, I can't do this song, I can't do the rest of this show until everybody stands up," West said, adding an exception for those with handicaps. "No, seriously -- I won't go on with the show unless y'all stand up."
As video from the concert shows, West really wasn't kidding, as he took several moments to scan the audience for anyone sitting down.
When he spotted two people who still weren't standing, West initially griped, "This was the longest I've had to wait to do a song. It's unbelievable."
According to The Hollywood Reporter, one of those individuals had a prosthetic limb, and another was in a wheelchair.
After sending someone over to investigate why the two concertgoers weren't standing, West quickly clarified that "if you're using a wheelchair, then it's fine. ... Only if he's in a wheelchair."
Once he'd confirmed that those not standing really couldn't, West continued with his show.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/showbiz/music/kanye-west-stops-concert-sydney-australia/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)You called me illiterate and used nasty language by calling him a shitbag and said you'd like to commit violence upon his person. After calling me illiterate, you thought nothing of it. Both he and I are Illiterate in your opinion, the only thing we have in common is our skin color. Was that the connection? Or is it perfectly acceptable to you to call people who can obviously read very well, illiterate. I'm sure my reading abilites are quite up to standard, and I felt like it was racially motivated. If it was not, I'd appreciate you thinking about how it looks when you call black people illiterate just to be hurtful and make them feel beneath you.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)
iandhr
(6,852 posts)For dealing with stupid is to ignore it.
Dr. Strange
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Who's his audience when he *be makin'* shit statements like that?
Dr. Strange
(25,921 posts)I wonder if, when he talks in public, he just imagines a whole audience of Kanyes?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Voices he sampled from others, I imagine, but that's a whole 'nuther issue.
You'd think a fitting tribute to his mother would be to ENCOURAGE reading, especially among children of color, but WTF do I know.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)I wish him and his wife would just go away. lol
I agree with Ms. Manson.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)Kanye's Mom didn't teach him how to play in the sandbox with the other kids.
No matter how much she really, really deserves it, you can't steal Becky's toy and give it to Beyonce.
If the sandbox doesn't work that way, what makes him think the Grammys do?
Edit: besides, everybody who has watched the Grammys since 1980 when Pink Floyd's masterpiece was overlooked for chirpy Christopher Cross, has known that the Grammys are full of shit.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Sad that a few here want to do the "Who?" shit and revel in their own ignorance, but what the hey.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Especially the Grammy show.
cemaphonic
(4,138 posts)There's only a handful of men with more Grammys than Kanye, and most of them are classical conductors with really long and celebrated careers, along with Stevie Wonder and Quincy Jones. Meanwhile, Beyonce is in the number 2 spot for women after Alison Krauss. Yet it's some terrible injustice when somebody else wins an award. "Small and petty and spoilt" is right on, especially considering Kanye's stature in showbiz.
I bet this whole thing is pretty embarrassing for Beyonce, even though it isn't her fault. Manson's right - this sort of behavior demeans her achievements almost as much as it does Beck's.
xmas74
(29,674 posts)need him fighting any battles for her. She's a strong, powerful, intelligent, well-spoken woman with enough stage presence to more than adequately fight her own battles. The action of him jumping in and doing what she did gives the appearance of how a woman still needs a man to "defend her honor". Beyonce, otoh, was gracious, which is how both winners and losers should be.
rocktivity
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You'll put her Illumin-Nutties out of business.
https://www.youtube.com/v/JNpy2BfCFlg
As for her being "strong" and "powerful":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1029662
rocktivity
xmas74
(29,674 posts)strong and powerful. In regards to what I meant was that she didn't need Kayne making a scene for her.
I didn't know about the recent dust up over the soundtrack. That was an interesting link.
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I'd like to clear up some confusion. I'm a Brit and there might be some confusion going on in this thread.
In the UK 'twat' is pronounced differently than 'twot' and they also mean different things.
Twat means a real idiot or jerk and is pronounced so it rhymes with 'at'.
Twot means a female 'lady bits' and is pronounced so it rhymes with 'what'.
Twit means a silly person and is not a real insult at all. A person could say to their dear old grandmother, "I felt like such a twit today nana".
Bellend is the business end of a penis.
If a (common) girl was to get kicked in her privates she would bellow out that she got kicked in her twot, not twat. A twat is a person not a body part. The word twat might have meant something different in ancient times but has a different meaning now. I'm in my 60's and all my life twat has been used to describe a person such as Kenye West - not a body part.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)Neither of them has any class. Loads of money, yes; but class, no.
romanic
(2,841 posts)Kanye definitely deserves criticism for his behavior at the Grammys. His arrogance is indefensible and neither his talent or skin color makes him immune from that. Plus Beyonce doesn't need him to defend her "honor" or "artistry", she's capable of doing that on her own. :/