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The moment President Barack Obama knew Scott Brown would win... (Original Post) MohRokTah Feb 2015 OP
What book is this from? (nt) TuxedoKat Feb 2015 #1
Believer: My Forty Years in Politics MohRokTah Feb 2015 #2
Thanks! (nt) TuxedoKat Feb 2015 #25
nicely put Why is it that guillaumeb Feb 2015 #3
The MSM often gets their propaganda from Fox, Fox is also a distributor for ISIL. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #4
When you say Fox as a distributor for ISIL guillaumeb Feb 2015 #7
No. The fact only Fox posted and imbedded the entire Jordanian pilot execution..and ISIL thanks them. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #8
great point but I will add guillaumeb Feb 2015 #12
Since Lieberman was one of that 60, we never had a majority for health care reform at all. tblue37 Feb 2015 #13
I will never, EVER forget what happened because I and many others Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #19
+ a million! nt tblue37 Feb 2015 #24
That's right. When I hear Democrats repeat these ignorant and fallacious Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #21
absolutely agree on your points guillaumeb Feb 2015 #23
Some people just aren't interested in facts. They are too invested in the fallacious narrative emulatorloo Feb 2015 #27
Coakley---Jeebus Christ what a disaster. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #5
Ah, the de rigueur shot at Martha Coakley sketchy Feb 2015 #6
Losing by nearly 5 points is not "damn near won". MohRokTah Feb 2015 #18
Yeah, to be fair, who the hell wants to stand outside Fenway Park shaking hands with people, Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #22
I really wish all the these former WH would shut their traps bluestateguy Feb 2015 #9
+1000 Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #15
Have to disagree with this comment... DonViejo Feb 2015 #10
SHe was a good attorney general Marrah_G Feb 2015 #14
MAYBE I could understand that the first go around, but she STILL Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #17
She was mentioned in the movie "Conviction". AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #20
"Martha Coakely will win on Tuesday. Bank on it!"... SidDithers Feb 2015 #11
And then they turn around and ran her fucking ass again! WHY?? Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #16
Coakley was a terrible candidate. bigwillq Feb 2015 #26

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. nicely put Why is it that
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:30 PM
Feb 2015

even on the Democratic side, or at least on a nominally Democratic site, many commenters persist in repeating the fiction that President Obama had a majority for the first 2 years in office?

Given that there was only a filibuster proof majority for less than 1 month, and given the well documented meeting of a group of Republican Taliban (their words)that agreed to oppose any action that the President would take, how can anyone wonder about how relations went between President Obama and the Republicans?

Does everyone get their propaganda from Faux News?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
7. When you say Fox as a distributor for ISIL
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:39 PM
Feb 2015

do you refer to the number 2 stockholder in Faux News? The royal from Saudi Arabia? The good friend of the Bush family? Our great ally and founders of Wahabbism? How can Americas allies in the fight against ISIL extremists also be the funders if ISIL?

Oh, the cognitive dissonance!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. great point but I will add
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:52 PM
Feb 2015

that all of the corporate media loves violence porn. The only form of porn that the media can show on the evening news. Faux simply has even lower standards by showing snuff porn.

Have to love the Faux News motto though: "We distort, you divide". Or something like that.

tblue37

(65,391 posts)
13. Since Lieberman was one of that 60, we never had a majority for health care reform at all.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 05:18 PM
Feb 2015

Nor was he the only hold-out. Several other conservadems were sticking their feet out to trip the process up.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
19. I will never, EVER forget what happened because I and many others
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:45 PM
Feb 2015

in my precinct took on the opportunity to contact conservadems and hold outs. We were pushing for the public option. We called their offices every single day. We went up to Capitol Hill to schedule meetings, leaving letters and trying to get on committee hearing schedules.

This is why I get so angry at people who blame Obama because he asked us to do the work. Many of us did. Every single social and economic movement calls for action from the people. I will never forget how these senators turned us down. No matter how much we asked for a public option, they were too concerned about their political futures to care.

Again, never will I forget 2009 and what happened in 2010 when many Democrats stayed home, crossed over, or accepted defeat. We are now paying the price for Election 2010.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
21. That's right. When I hear Democrats repeat these ignorant and fallacious
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:49 PM
Feb 2015

things, I want to rip my hair out! Worse, when you try and explain to them the math that Obama was working with--and the fact that the Democratic Party is NOT ideologically pure, they still won't listen. It's like these people are the equivalent of the Teabaggers.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
23. absolutely agree on your points
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 07:12 PM
Feb 2015

As to progress, now the pictures of racists confronting people who are asking for simple justice are in color.

emulatorloo

(44,130 posts)
27. Some people just aren't interested in facts. They are too invested in the fallacious narrative
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 10:09 PM
Feb 2015

they've created in their heads. I share your frustration.

sketchy

(458 posts)
6. Ah, the de rigueur shot at Martha Coakley
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:37 PM
Feb 2015

She was not the worst candidate, and damn near won.
No wonder a lot of good people pass on running for office -- to avoid the petty character assassination dished out by anonymous individuals on the Internet.

Pathetic.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
18. Losing by nearly 5 points is not "damn near won".
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:42 PM
Feb 2015

Brown took 51.9% of the vote, Coakley only got 47.1% of the vote.

That's nowhere near "damn near winning".

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. Yeah, to be fair, who the hell wants to stand outside Fenway Park shaking hands with people,
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:50 PM
Feb 2015

when you could be nice and warm meeting well-heeled donors at swanky fundraisers?

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
9. I really wish all the these former WH would shut their traps
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:47 PM
Feb 2015

Is this some kind of rite of passage to write a kiss and tell book after doing your service?

Presidents should make their staff sign contracts: no book deals after you leave.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
10. Have to disagree with this comment...
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:48 PM
Feb 2015
Martha Coakley is the worst candidate the Dems have ever put up for any office in Massachusetts.


She was elected and re-elected Attorney General of the Commonwealth. By all accounts, she was a good AG. For the gay community she was outstanding. BTW, her running mate for LTGov last election, was/is an openly gay man. Voters decided she was fine as AG but, no higher. Same thing happened to Frank Bellotti; great progressive AG but that popularity didn't transfer into getting him elected Gov.

At Attorney General Coakley’s direction, in 2009, Massachusetts became the first, and only, state in the nation to file a complaint alleging that DOMA violated the U.S. Constitution by disregarding Massachusetts marriages and interfering with a state’s sovereign authority to define and regulate the marital status of its residents. ( Commonwealth of Massachusetts v. U.S. Dep’t of Health & Human Services, et al. (2009) pdf format of Commonwealth of MA v. U.S. H.H.S. (2009)
) Together with the Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders (GLAD), which filed a companion case on behalf of individual Massachusetts residents harmed by DOMA, AG Coakley argued before the U.S. District Court that there is no legitimate basis for DOMA and that it was an unjust and discriminatory law. AG Coakley’s office and GLAD presented the court a significant and undisputed factual record, including extensive expert testimony, in an effort to show that DOMA served no purpose other than to communicate disapproval of gay and lesbian people. The District Court decisions, issued on July 8, 2010, were the first in the country to hold DOMA unconstitutional.

http://www.mass.gov/ago/news-and-updates/initiatives/doma/

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
14. SHe was a good attorney general
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 05:22 PM
Feb 2015

But a really shitty candidate for Sen or Gov.

She came across as if she could not care less during the race with Brown. I think she thought she didn't have to try, because she was the Democrat and this was Massachusetts.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
17. MAYBE I could understand that the first go around, but she STILL
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:39 PM
Feb 2015

was a horrible candidate for governor. I wish someone from MA could offer some insight because I simply don't get it.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
11. "Martha Coakely will win on Tuesday. Bank on it!"...
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 04:49 PM
Feb 2015

ranks right up there with "Turbo Tax has been hacked" and "Rove has been indicted".

Sid

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. And then they turn around and ran her fucking ass again! WHY??
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 06:38 PM
Feb 2015

Did Patrick not have any damn influence at all?

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
26. Coakley was a terrible candidate.
Tue Feb 10, 2015, 08:42 PM
Feb 2015

Maybe not the worse, but pretty bad. I knew she was going to lose too.

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