Y'all know that Pres. Obama didn't just end the Keystone XL, yes?

[MannyGoldstein]

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Rather, his veto is because Obama believes that he has the right to stop it, and does not want to give up that right to Congress.

As he wrote:

"because this act of Congress conflicts with established executive branch procedures and cuts short thorough consideration of issues that could bear on our national interest — including our security, safety, and environment — it has earned my veto."

Obama will make the decision himself, and that decision will allegedly be based on an environmental impact study that's been going on for ages. Based on how long the study's taking, I suspect that he hopes if he waits long enough, he somehow won't have to decide, e.g. the thing will become economically unviable and stopped because of low oil prices.

Also note that the White House is strong-arming the EU into writing its environmental regulations to permit use of Keystone XL tar oil, even though it's filthy. Elizabeth Warren and others have sent a letter to the White House asking them to cut that @#%& out.

[bravenak]

1. .

So, you disagree with the veto?

[MannyGoldstein]

10. I agree with the veto

But it's not being vetoed for the reason many people seem to think

[bravenak]

16. I don't care why. Just happy he did it.

I'm easy like Sunday morning.


Our pipeline had a spill a few years back. I do not trust the maintenance of those lines. And we seem to be paying big oil to drill up here. You should look up the issues we have in Alaska with our oil taxes credits to big oil. If anything will fuck with your emotions, that will. We kinda owe them money for like drilling our oil. We have a nice deficit now. Yay! It ain't really just about the spills. The Koch's own us. Don't be Koch owned! It sucks.

[geek tragedy]

18. Suppose he wanted to approve Keystone, why wouldn't he just cut a deal with Republicans

and present it as a bipartisan agreement?

Isn't that his Third Way schtick?

[MannyGoldstein]

20. Ask him. nt

[geek tragedy]

23. You're the one trying to tell us that the veto tells us nothing about

whether he'd actually approve the pipeline.

Common sense indicates a unity-schtick guy wouldn't pick a partisan fight if he and the Republicans shared the same goal.

[MannyGoldstein]

26. Clearly, one of us doesn't understand something.

Could be me. Or not.

[geek tragedy]

31. The former, since I'm not going to question good faith on anyone's part. nt

[JoePhilly]

30. So Obama wanted to sign it, and they put it on his desk, and he vetoed it ...

... so that at some point in the future, they can bring it back again, so he can sign it then because that would be better somehow.

Makes perfect sense.

[MannyGoldstein]

35. One of us is quite unclear as to the process here. nt

[JoePhilly]

38. So when is Obama going to sign off on KXL, got a prediction?

I'm betting no.

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Clearly, it will be well before

you understand how the process works.

[JoePhilly]

47. I understand the process completely ...

Obama did something positive ... and it upsets you.

Its kind of like how the Catfood Commission was created SPECIFICALLY to get cuts in Social Security. Obama was going to CAVE and GUT/SLASH/DESTROY Social Security. Absolutely, positively.

Never happened.

Now, this time, Obama could have easily signed this bill, clearing the way for the pipeline to be built. He wants it so bad (according to you), and he can't run again. Might as well sign it.

But he didn't.

And boy are you upset. How dare he not cave like you imply (no longer making predictions).

Must be part of his evil secret plan.

[zeemike]

85. I will answer that...never.

It will be re branded and sold as something else or done in pieces that won't be noticed.
That is what they do with things that get too much attention.

If the oil industry wants it they will get it...and we have nothing to say about it.

[NanceGreggs]

41. It's as clear as the elbow on your face.

I think the real reason Obama vetoed is just to do Manny out of yet another truly great OP - which now resides in the trash bin on his computer.

[Autumn]

129. Sadly enough Nance I guess it is as clear as the elbow on your face.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026274244

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama’s rejection was strictly about the legislation and not the project. It’s “certainly possible” that Obama would eventually approve the pipeline once a State Department review is completed, he said, without giving a timetable.

You and the crew should probably get on this poster and set him straight. Or at the very least rec his OP, he is extremely fair and unbiased. But somehow I don't think you will, it's soooo much easier for some people to ignore or spin away what is unpleasant.

[rufus dog]

50. Lame ass response

Keep trying though.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

65. Of course not.

He's been a 'process' guy since day 1 of his administration.

Repubs just tried to skip the process, and he said 'no'.

So the study will go through, at which point they can send him another bill.

At that point in time, he can then make whatever decision he chooses with the actual environmental report in hand.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

75. so you assume we're stupid.

We don't understand the complexity of protocol, and the long time that institutional change requires?

You don't understand that this congress is clamoring FOR the destruction of what natural world we have left? (Oh come on, you must understand that, you're smart.)

I don't understand what the need to attack the prez is about here, when he did something good. Stepped in and stopped the $$$$fossil fueled$$$$ CONgress after they took action on their threats.

I think most everyone here understands that this is just one more skirmish won, in the LONG battle to stop the robber-barons.

[MannyGoldstein]

84. Clearly, no assumption was made. nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

90. no, not clearly.

The OP title itself is phrased as a sarcastic swipe.
And the rest of it schools us on the inadequacies of the veto as if we thought it's all fixed now.

And gripes about PBO's delay. (Hey, wait...can't veto it before it's sent to his desk.) No, he shouldn't move slowly, bother with strategy and weigh the enemy (and sad to say, the repuke congress is an enemy.) Of course not. Because we're impatient, we're micro analysing every tick.

[MannyGoldstein]

122. Several posters on this very thread admitted that they didn't realize

in fact, your own post indicates your significant misunderstanding of at least parts of what's going on.

Perhaps you could let go of the hate.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

127. I'll re-read then, and see where I might misunderstand.

Because you say several posters said they learned something. That tells me to have another look to see where I might be off-track.

But, know that I'm not re-examining because of your last self-serving dig, "perhaps you could let go of the hate".

"Perhaps you could let go of the hate " is a strategy to avoid criticism and look virtuous yourself by discrediting me.

Mr. Goldstein, we had an interchange some time ago, wherein I analyzed and challenged your editorial. In the end, you ignored questions I asked regarding what I percieved to be a very sexist post.

Rather than respond constructively, you lobbed some very insulting remarks at me, thus avoiding my queries.

With your closing line here, you are doing it again, though more subtly:

"Perhaps you could let go of the hate." That buzzword phrase is intended to magnify yourself while invalidating anything I say. I don't like that.

[MannyGoldstein]

134. Would you consider your first post to me,

in this thread, to be at all hostile?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

141. no. I consider it in keeping with your original tone.

Now that I've replied to your questions, I'll remind you that you have still NOT RESPONDED authentically to any question I've posed, now or in the past.

In my book, I call what you're doing manipulation. Trying to intimidate me and change the subject, distract from my questions to you. Impute hostility to me.

I'm just identifying what I see you doing. That's not hostility. It just feels like it to you.

There now.
I've responded to enough of your distraction.
Please address my concerns. *Prove* your Progressive Ethical creds by responding in good faith.


(Or not. I can't force you to do anything. You can continue the argumentative gymnastics. Doesn't reflect poorly on me.)

[MannyGoldstein]

142. And therein lies the problem

You: "You suck!"
Me: "That seems a bit hostile."
You: "It's not hostile, because you really do suck! It's just the truth! Now why won't you tell me why you suck?"

So I'm thinking that further discussion won't really be helpful, sorry.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

144. Now, to complete my reply....look, Manny, let me first refer to the sexism issue...

Back at that time, you had written a piece that many found racist. People called you on it and you followed with an apology.

Then you wrote a piece that many found sexist. I replied to that one.
Instead of a big contrite apology piece, your reply to me was a huge insult that included more gender based slap down.
I don't remember your replies to other people who spoke about the sexism.

So. There's one point.

Anyway, this reply of yours doesn't feel any better. You're leaving out your first contribution:

"Y'all dont know nuthin'. Obama sucks."

[geek tragedy]

2. Is this 4th Way Manny--bash Obama for doing the right thing? nt

[JoePhilly]

19. Its part of Obama's super secret plan, to trick us.

See ... he's going to veto it now ... and then cave and sign it along with cuts to Social Security.

[SidDithers]

27. It's hard to keep track of all the Mannys, eh?...nt

Sid

[JoePhilly]

33. My favorite ...

Straw-Manny.

[Number23]

43. Straw Manny! And the placement of that "leg" makes for a very impressive appendage!

This is Straw Manny's best post. Ah, if only it could be his last as well.

[BeyondGeography]

3. Geeze Loueeze

[Fred Sanders]

4. Protecting the traditional jurisdiction of the Department of State over international business projects is important.

Not vetoing this would give ALL jurisdiction over to the GOP Congress - it is not that complicated.

Blocking an usurpation of power is a good thing.

And since the Department of State has not yet made it's final recommendation - there is nothing more to do just yet.

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Absolutely.

But it seems like few on DU understand this.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Do you disagree with what I wrote?

Or are you unequipped to act like an adult when presented with facts?

[treestar]

17. +1

Can't even handle Obama doing the right thing! It must be for the wrong reason!

[Andy823]

137. Same old ODS

No matter what president Obama does, it's never a good thing. One of the major signs that some people just can't accept how much good the president has done, is doing and will keep on doing till he leaves office. Doom and gloom is all they seem to care about. Kind of sad when you think about it.

[zappaman]

24. !!!

[JoePhilly]

25. Obama is extra evil for tricking us like this.

See, he vetoed this so we'll look away ... and then BAM!!!!

He'll sign KXL and cut Social Security in one quick motion.

[Number23]

28. "your little hate panties are showing. Tuck 'em back in, cause it's kind of embarrassing."

Okay, laughing so hard I am LITERALLY in physical pain!!



Edit: are these 'hate panties?'

[giftedgirl77]

53. Lolololololol, for all the world to see...

Thanks for the pics, the visual really put it in perspective

[Number23]

54. GG, girl I even found some hate BRIEFS

Frazzled and by extension, Straw Manny might have a money maker on their hands here!

[giftedgirl77]

56. Well that's better now he can get his briefs out of a bunch instead.

I also think he needs a new magic 8 ball because his predictions keep failing miserably.

[MannyGoldstein]

104. And which predictions would those be?

Please back up your assertions with links so we know you're not making stuff up, thanks!

[Logical]

32. Wow, sexist and classless post. Congrats. nt

[BrotherIvan]

72. And applauded by all the same posters who whine about the lack of civility and being called names

So low.

[840high]

77. +1

[ScreamingMeemie]

80. Glad I got called to the jury for it...

On Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Oh honey, ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6273842

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude and homophobic. There are plenty of civil ways to disagree with a poster, even one you may despise.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Feb 24, 2015, 07:46 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: "Panties?" I have had enough of this small group who use vitriol and names...I don't care who you support/don't support... whether you like Manny or not. Cut it out. It's gotten embarrassing and out of hand. I would hope you aren't 12.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seriously? And ruin all the humorous responses? Besides, I want to see the poster respond to Manny's question.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Good grief. Some people are so anxious to find something where there is nothing. This rebuke is something I heard growing up in the south. It has NOTHING to do with sex or homophobia.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[BrotherIvan]

81. I am shocked it got hidden

The BOG can hurl insults with impunity it seems and never get hidden. It makes DU suck like a vaccuum.

Or something about the South...

[TheKentuckian]

121. While sanctimoniously crying like stuck pigs about name calling and divisiveness.

[BrotherIvan]

132. All. the. time.

[one_voice]

97. I wouldn't have voted to hide...

I don't see how that was homophobic. People use 'panties in a bunch' on here all the time.

Bad hid imo.

[ScreamingMeemie]

101. I hid it for the personal attack. I will ALWAYS hide for a personal attack.

Excellent hide, and I'm glad I was called. I find I am often the "swing vote" on these Manny threads. It's interesting.

[one_voice]

136. I don't see it as a personal attack...

Anyway, you know I respect you, having worked with you on MIRT and as a host. I know you'll always do what you believe is right and fair.

[ScreamingMeemie]

138. Thank you one voice. I appreciate that.

[Andy823]

140. I agree

I also think it was a bad hide.

[MannyGoldstein]

133. Thank you for not tolerating behavior

that we shouldn't tolerate from anyone over the age of 7.

[one_voice]

36. .

[SidDithers]

58. Heheh...

Sid

[GusBob]

64. Thanks for the laugh

[Renew Deal]

6. So you would have signed the bill?

OK

[joeybee12]

7. True, but it really takes the momentum out of it...

and that's very good.

[djean111]

9. Manny, this has flown right over an awful lot of heads.

No, Obama has not vetoed the pipeline. He actually vetoed Congress' attempt to take away his authority to say yes or no to the pipeline, that's all that has happened.
Evidently that is too difficult for some to grasp, in their rush to jeer.

He may still veto it, but, either way, it will show the value of protests against it.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Except Obama has been pissing all over Keystone for months

His issues with it aren't procedural.

[truebluegreen]

34. Whatever issues Obama has or doesn't have with the pipeline are not the point of the veto.

His issues were with Congress trying to force his hand. Many here demand we not criticize the president for things that haven't happened yet so I'm saving my celebration until he actually stops the pipeline.

[geek tragedy]

40. You really think his opinions on the underlying merit were completely irrelevant to how

this legislation and his veto turned out?

[BeyondGeography]

45. The veto is reassuring (for those who are reassurable)

because it is consistent with his overall thinking on the pipeline. If he was in favor of it (he isn't) his hand wouldn't have to be forced.

[truebluegreen]

57. I am hopeful...

but I still think this particular veto was more about preserving presidential prerogative than the pipeline per se.

As I said, I'm keeping my powder dry.

[former9thward]

42. Then why doesn't he just veto it and move on?

No matter what he does he pisses off somebody. He says yes and the environmentalists freak, He says no and labor is angry. So he just waits and lets the next president have the headache.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. Exactly.

But facts needn't get in the way of fantasy, I guess.

[djean111]

14. I honestly think vetoing Keystone might happen - because it is not such a moneymaker now,

what with falling oil prices, and may not be economically feasible.

[truebluegreen]

37. This is what gives me hope.

Isn't that pathetic? Our "hope" depends on how much money there is, or isn't, to be made?

[Cosmic Kitten]

79. The Bushism applies here.

Money trumps.... <insert right thing to do here>

[truebluegreen]

117. Unfortunately, the Bushism goes way beyond the Bushies.

It is the basis for our entire culture. It's why we always know the $ cost of something but not the human cost, or the environmental cost.

[Broward]

46. Yes, it' couldn't be any clearer.

Amazingly, many on this board don't get it or are at least pretending not to.

[Fred Sanders]

61. Hopefully these folks have had their heads raised and the meaning of the veto has hit them square.

[840high]

78. Thanks.

[Autumn]

13. The pukes will attach it to another bill and pass it that way.

I am glad to see him sticking it to the pukes on this, he is the one with the authority to stop it. But gas prices are creeping up again so who knows how long it will be economically unviable.

[Cosmic Kitten]

82. Gas prices are going up but so is oil supply

There is still overproduction of oil.
Rising gas prices are not reflecting the
actual supply and demand of the oil market.

[BklnDem75]

21. Obama still bad? nt

[Hissyspit]

130. Where does it say that?

[BklnDem75]

131. In every post. nt

[JoePhilly]

22. Looks like Obama pissed in your punch bowl.

But hey ... at least you aren't making predictions anymore!!!!

Much better to sit back and say he'll "allegedly" make his decision on .... blah, blah, blah.

And the Combustible Hair Club will join in to help fan the flames of manufactured outrage.

[Rex]

29. Dude, let it go!

He already gave the assholes in Congress the cromnibus bill with Citigroup's drool still wet on the paperwork. Don't you get it yet? He just doesn't give a fuck anymore. You know those golden last two years in office of a two termer...'the Fuck Congress, he can't get re-elected again' years? He even mentioned it at the SOTU and people just giggled. You know...the "I won my elections...unlike that last guy' dig that went over Congresses head.

Hillary is already a shoe in, so why does he care about shitheads that tried to repeal his signature policy 50 times? He doesn't have to stump for HRC, he doesn't have to do anything to help Congress self-destruct and can fuck with the GOP until he leaves office and HRC takes over.

And if they complain, he points to the bullwhip he used to flog Congress Dems into signing the next Wall Street wishlist. And then gives them the finger. So, he ain't gonna let no shitty little Congress critter do what they want to anymore...which I am loving it like McDonalds loves it's profits!

Sorry to be a killjoy. I hope next he tells Congress that if they don't start doing their jobs, he will move Biden in and let him sit in on every meeting heckling the GOP when they get up to speak.

[Agnosticsherbet]

48. Or, he maybe he is content to let it go until it is an issue in 2016

Don't you mean that as head of the Executive branch he has as the power to stop it or approve it, what ever the case may be.

[PoliticAverse]

49. Obama's statement on the Keystone bill veto

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026274004

[MannyGoldstein]

62. Clearly, the President doesn't understand what he's done.

Or so it would seem from most of the posts in this thread.

[msanthrope]

66. That might be the funniest post you've ever made. nt

[MannyGoldstein]

93. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6274752

[DCBob]

51. Never miss an opportunity to bash the President.

[cheapdate]

52. No good deed goes unpunished. Ignored, at best.

[rufus dog]

55. "Bitter" table of one, your table is ready!

[Bobbie Jo]

96. Better get a bigger table

this one never dines alone.

[rufus dog]

119. True Dat!

The gang does come out to back the bullshit.

[DrDan]

59. wow . . .can't believe how many here do not understand the veto even when explained to them

[Fred Sanders]

67. Sometimes it is like the Fox Bubble has invaded DU. But a lot of the blame is on the stupid and lazy media.

[DrDan]

70. and those that hear only what they want to hear - a deadly combination

[joshcryer]

74. I don't see any disagreement.

People seem mostly annoyed that this is a clear attempt to denigrate the president and insult his motivations.

You see, the president just wants to kick the can down the road and not have to make though decisions...

[demwing]

60. Parent and child are out shopping

child sees Oreos on the shelf, parent considers it, but the child insists the parent get the cookies and wants to eat them NOW!

The parent, who may or may not eventually buy the cookies, puts the Oreos back on the shelf to teach the child that good behavior earns the cookies, and demands get you nothing but a cookie veto.

We've all experienced (or witnessed) that dynamic. Why is it so confusing here?

Obama is the parent, congress the demanding child, and the pipeline is the Oreos.

[DrDan]

69. and the parent said . . . "I will decide if you can have an oreo"

the parent DID NOT say "You cannot have an oreo"

Why is it so confusing.

[BeanMusical]

87. "Why is it so confusing here?"

It's easy to get confused when doing this:

[blue neen]

63. Oh, this is comical.

[zappaman]

68. Time to retire "third way Manny"

This one is waaaay funnier!

[RobertEarl]

71. Manny... you just don't get it

These brilliant posters here bashing you are correct.

Obama, just AGAIN!! Saved the world!!

And you, by saying "Wait a minute" are pissing on their parade.

They only like being trickled on by bigshots, Manny. Grow up!!

[joshcryer]

73. One day Obama will get credit for doing something positive.

Probably not in this generation of negative hateful "liberals."

[WillyT]

76. Dear Manny... Thank You For Holding Feet To Fire...

[DonViejo]

83. Gotta love that Massachusetts/New England accent of yours, Manny; "Y'all"

[RufusTFirefly]

86. Clear? Huh! Why a four-year-old child could understand this veto.

Run out and find me a four-year-old child. Most of the people on DU can't make head or tail out of it.



Ironically, many of those who can't are behaving like four-year-old children.

[zeemike]

88. You sure have attracted the crowd on this one Manny.

Fantasy is fun, and few will give it up.

[RufusTFirefly]

89. Obama press secretary Josh Earnest is nothing but a "hater"!

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama’s rejection was strictly about the legislation and not the project. It’s “certainly possible” that Obama would eventually approve the pipeline once a State Department review is completed, he said, without giving a timetable.

“The president will keep an open mind,” Earnest said, repeating past administration language.

Perhaps he should check to see if his underwear is properly aligned?

Source: Financial Post

[MannyGoldstein]

91. Perhaps this deserves an OP

Ya think?

[RufusTFirefly]

92. What? And spoil the party??

Actually, there already is one.

White House says approval of Keystone pipeline is "certainly possible," despite veto

[MannyGoldstein]

94. Must just be me.

I am unloved.

Anti-loved.

But by the right people, so it's all good.

[RufusTFirefly]

95. If you started a thread that said the Earth is round

... I'm pretty sure that the usual suspects would angrily ask to see your data.

[Oilwellian]

102. You are loved by the right people as well

[BlancheSplanchnik]

143. oh, hey...here...so see, I'm not unaware...I re-read you and entire thread.

Last edited Thu Feb 26, 2015, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)

From the linked thread:

5. I think what those cricizing folks who are cynical about the 'process' are ignoring
...is that this administration has been largely open to approving the pipeline, with the president, thankfully, using his deciding power to delay a decision. Notwithstanding that welcome stalling by the President, there is an institutional momentum which has grown, not diminished, over the period of the decision's delay. To my mind, that portends some sort of compromise decision which would allow the pipeline to move forward.

The best way to prevent that possibility is to keep the pressure on the WH and Congress, not becoming sanguine or complacent in some belief that the political process is on our side. In fact, the deck is actually stacked against opponents with a republican Congress, a State dept. which is run by someone with financial interests in the company who hasn't been as resistant to the project as we would like, and the obvious influence that corporate money has over our political process.

The power over this decision will not just concede voluntarily. That decision needs to be impacted by an unwavering advocacy and protest from opponents. It's just not a case of trusting the President; nothing positive occurs in Washington in a vacuum of indifference and blind trust. I believe this delay, certainly welcome and laudatory, has been a primarily political one by the President. Now, the politics are as uncertain as they've been all along. We need to keep the pressure up and our eye on the ball.
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12. I agree.
Thanks for the analysis.

I wish he was an all-out environmentalist, but there are too many conflicting interests. And surging masses of people do need fuel, so I understand the pressure.

No, that's not true, I can't imagine what the pressure is like.

You're absolutely right, we can't let up the pressure.

He stopped CONgress, and is holding to process. The study results aren't in yet, and we know he's methodical and looks at public input too. Therefore we have to speak loudly, back the environmental interest interests.

[Oilwellian]

99. "The president will keep an open mind."

Of course he will.

[deutsey]

125. +1

I'm glad it was vetoed, but this quote (along with the Republicans saying they're going to try again) isn't very reassuring.

[zappaman]

98. I agree with Bernie Sanders!

Sanders Applauds Veto of Keystone Pipeline Bill
Tuesday, February 24, 2015
WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), a member of the Senate energy and environment committees, issued the following statement today after President Barack Obama vetoed a bill to allow construction of the Keystone XL oil pipeline:

“I applaud the president for vetoing the Keystone pipeline bill. This veto tells the world that our nation takes seriously the planetary crisis of global warming and that we will not support legislation that would let a Canadian oil company ship some of the dirtiest oil on the planet across the United States.

“Climate change is real, it is caused by human activity and it is already causing devastating problems. Our job now is to aggressively transform our energy system away from fossil fuels into energy efficiency and sustainable energy. I urge my Senate colleagues to sustain the president’s veto.”

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-applauds-veto-of-keystone-pipeline-bill

[spanone]

100. Obama Vetoes Keystone Pipeline, Only 3rd in Presidency

President Obama issued his first veto since 2010, striking down a law that would authorize the Keystone XL pipeline, a major symbolic battle between environmental activists and the oil industry.

“Through this bill, the United States Congress attempts to circumvent longstanding and proven processes for determining whether or not building and operating a cross-border pipeline serves the national interest,” Obama said in a statement.

The pipeline would help link up to 830,000 barrels a day from Alberta, Canada, to Gulf Coast oil refineries. Over the past six years, the project has become one of the highest-profile environmental debates in the country and could pose problems for some Democratic candidates in the 2016 presidential cycle.

But with low oil prices, the 1,179-mile pipeline will likely have less of an effect on both the environment and economy by lowering the chance that it will be completely utilized. The State Department reported last year that the pipeline would indirectly and directly support around 42,000 jobs over two years, but would only employ around 50 people once the pipeline was functional.

http://time.com/3720427/obama-veto-keystone/

[RufusTFirefly]

105. No, he vetoed an attempt by Congress to circumvent a process

He did not veto the pipeline.

Trust me, I know how hard it is to write meaningful headlines in a limited amount of space, but the absence of nuance (or, in some cases, the failure to grasp it) is making a lot of DU brains hurt.

Don't worry, spanone. I realize the problem is with TIME, not with you.

[spanone]

107. shhh...it's all the media

With no fanfare and a 104-word letter to the Senate, Mr. Obama vetoed legislation to authorize construction of a 1,179-mile pipeline that would carry 800,000 barrels of heavy petroleum a day from the oil sands of Alberta to ports and refineries on the Gulf Coast.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/us/politics/as-expected-obama-vetoes-keystone-xl-pipeline-bill.html

Obama’s Keystone veto is only his third in six years. It won’t be his last.

President Obama vetoed the Keystone XL pipeline legislation Tuesday within hours of its arrival on his desk. Few bills have arrived with such fanfare and died so quickly.

Despite the legislation’s demise, the third veto of Obama’s presidency exposed his new political reality — unified Republican control of Congress that will force him to confront critics directly in a way he’s rarely had to before and explain his stands to the American public.

Rep. Steve Israel (D-N.Y.) said the White House and congressional Democrats are navigating “fairly new territory” in which they must convey why the president is invoking this power more often.

“You don’t want him to be the president of no. You do want him to be the president of the middle class,” Israel said in a phone interview. “Every veto is a reminder to the American people that he’s sticking up for them, while the Republicans are trying to stick it to them.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-keystone-veto-is-only-his-third-in-six-years-it-wont-be-his-last/2015/02/24/d0e8adb2-bc2a-11e4-8668-4e7ba8439ca6_story.html?hpid=z1

Obama vetoes Keystone XL pipeline, leaving it in limbo

(Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Tuesday, as promised, swiftly vetoed a Republican bill approving the Keystone XL oil pipeline, leaving the long-debated project in limbo for another indefinite period.

The U.S. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, after receiving Obama's veto message, immediately countered by announcing the Republican-led chamber would attempt to override it by March 3.

That is unlikely. Despite their majority, Republicans are four votes short of being able to overturn Obama's veto.

They have vowed to attach language approving the pipeline to a spending bill or other legislation later in the year that the president would find difficult to veto.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/24/us-usa-keystone-idUSKBN0LS2FH20150224

Obama Vetoes Keystone XL Pipeline Bill

WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama on Tuesday made good on a promise to veto legislation to approve the long-debated Keystone XL pipeline, potentially heralding intensifying clashes between the White House and congressional Republicans.

The bill would have authorized a Canadian company to construct the 1,179-mile pipeline, which has been under review by the Obama administration for more than six years and has become a touchstone issue both for environmentalists and North America’s booming energy industry.

Mr. Obama vetoed the legislation, not the pipeline itself. The administration retains the ultimate authority over the pipeline, and the veto doesn’t affect the review, which is in its final stage.

The move prompted immediate criticism from Republicans, who have described the TransCanada Corp. project as a jobs and infrastructure measure. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.) said on the Senate floor Tuesday that the chamber plans to hold a vote to override the veto by next Tuesday, although neither the Senate nor the House appears to have the requisite two-thirds of votes for an override.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/obama-vetoes-keystone-xl-pipeline-bill-1424810378

President Obama vetoes Keystone bill; GOP plans override vote

President Barack Obama vetoed the Republicans’ Keystone XL pipeline bill Tuesday, rejecting Congress’ attempt to take the project’s fate out of his hands — and leaving the GOP on track for an override vote that will most likely fail.
Obama’s veto message was delivered within hours of the legislation arriving on his desk, the latest step in six years of pushing and pulling over a Canada-to-Texas oil pipeline that has become a symbol in the debate over jobs versus the environment. Even before Obama whipped out his veto pen, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell vowed to hold an override vote, which the Republican leader’s office said would occur no later than March 3.
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That gives the GOP a small window to search for the Democratic votes they still need in order to push the bill past Obama. About 20 more Democratic votes in the House and four in the Senate are required to enact the bill, judging from the votes the Keystone bill got when Congress passed it last month.
In a veto message to Congress, Obama rejected the Keystone legislation as an attempt to “circumvent longstanding and proven processes for determining whether or not building and operating a cross-border pipeline serves the national interest.” The bill would have declared the pipeline approved, ending the administration’s review of the project.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/obama-vetoes-keystone-bill-115462.html#ixzz3SipTAV2A

[RufusTFirefly]

110. If the concept is too complicated for a headline or sound bite, we're doomed.

We're doomed.



Check out demwing's Oreo cookie example above, it's an excellent analogy.

[hrmjustin]

103. Manny can you not just sit back and enjoy the moment for once?

He vetoed the thing! He is against the pipeline like you and I.

[RufusTFirefly]

106. Enjoy what moment?

I think we can enjoy that the President told Congress to back off and let the process continue.

But if you are under the impression that he vetoed the pipeline, you are very much mistaken.

[hrmjustin]

109. Well we can get into the technical weeds but I am enjoying the moment.

[RufusTFirefly]

111. Sigh.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Obama’s rejection was strictly about the legislation and not the project. It’s “certainly possible” that Obama would eventually approve the pipeline once a State Department review is completed, he said, without giving a timetable.

“The president will keep an open mind,” Earnest said, repeating past administration language.

Source: Financial Post

[hrmjustin]

112. Stop scaring me!

[spanone]

108. bwahahahahahaaaaa.....shirley you jest!

[DeSwiss]

113. Now, Manny.....

...have a little faith. Remember the promise?



- He changed everything he said before into the opposite, so he didn't lie. He gave us change.

K&R

[MannyGoldstein]

114. Oh, so it's like advanced math

Just stick a negative sign on stuff and it works out.

Thanks!

[Cosmic Kitten]

115. Winning a battle, still fighting the war

[Vattel]

116. I can't find anything mistaken in your post. I do suspect, however, that Obama will not allow

the pipeline. I could easily be mistaken about that, though.

Amazing how many Obama fans don't really seem to understand your post.

[hatrack]

118. Won't end for years - as others have noted, Keystone isn't a pipeline, it's a GOP fetish object

If they just get it done, then they get to say "YEAH!!! Take THAT you GREENIE-WEENIES!! MURKA!!!"

And then they'll throw their jockstraps into the fire, and chase Ralph and Piggy to the edge of the cliff and push them over, then kill another pig, and smear themselves with blood, and . . . .

[TheKentuckian]

120. Well, I have to admit I still want to believe sometimes good things might be afoot

and took it literally.

<sigh>

[randome]

123. .

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[MannyGoldstein]

124. Antianxiolytics, meditation, and CBT can help

But the first step is for you to ask for help.

[Capt. Obvious]

126. Here's a rec because you piss off all of the right people

[X_Digger]

128. K&R for not picking up the pom-poms. n/t

[11 Bravo]

135. He's just waiting for a chance to fasttrack it through your neighborhood ...

in a middle-of-the-night bit of legislative sleight-of-hand.
(He will also insist that, as a condition of employment, anyone hired to work construction on the pipe line must promise to take a shit in your backyard at least once a week.)

[NCTraveler]

139. Your point is an important one.

Obama cares about the environment and this isn't just a decision based on money. As you said, he is waiting for the environmental report. Yes, it pains me to say he cares about the environment after watching the WH and BP collude over the Gulf Oil Spill. That being said, he has made some good moves with respect to the environment and this is just one more. Very positive actions by the administration all the way around. Your poignant remarks here back that up.

[great white snark]

145. I can picture you getting dry heaves whenever President Obama does something good.

Imodium should help with these legacy building decisions.

[MannyGoldstein]

146. Do you disagree with what I wrote?

Or are you frustrated by the cognitive dissonance?