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sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
Thu Feb 26, 2015, 11:57 PM Feb 2015

Trayvon Martin. Three years ago today.

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Three years ago today, young Trayvon Martin was murdered. May he forever Rest in
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Trayvon Martin. Three years ago today. (Original Post) sheshe2 Feb 2015 OP
Mahalo, she.. Rest In Peace, Trayvon~ Cha Feb 2015 #1
So sad Cha. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #4
-- G_j Feb 2015 #2
Has it really been 3 years? RIP Trayvon. uppityperson Feb 2015 #3
Such a sad remembrance. brer cat Feb 2015 #5
. one_voice Feb 2015 #6
Three years and has anything changed for the better? herding cats Feb 2015 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #8
Buh-bye. Agschmid Feb 2015 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #11
I love MIRT! sheshe2 Feb 2015 #14
Oh! Is that why I never got the jury results? cui bono Feb 2015 #40
Did a libertarian or teapartier show up? randys1 Feb 2015 #52
That is not Trayvon and you know it. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #10
Well it actually probably is... Agschmid Feb 2015 #12
I love my little red button. William769 Feb 2015 #13
We do too. Agschmid Feb 2015 #15
Tears, that was ugly. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #16
Anytime. William769 Feb 2015 #17
I was about to give up.... sheshe2 Feb 2015 #18
I never give up only take breaks. William769 Feb 2015 #19
I think I should take some breaks... sheshe2 Feb 2015 #20
Don't let the turkeys get you down. The holidays will arrive soon enough. freshwest Feb 2015 #21
Sigh~ sheshe2 Feb 2015 #24
Trayvon.... Hekate Feb 2015 #22
Sadly, he is forever young now. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #23
Kick for Trayvon, sheshe2 Feb 2015 #25
I am proud my DU name will always be a poigant reminder in memory of Trayvon Skittles Feb 2015 #26
Skittles. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #27
Every day that passes is a crime to his youthful innocents. Rex Feb 2015 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #37
Yes, someone posted here... sheshe2 Feb 2015 #50
Gun fanciers & their Stand Your Ground laws are responsible for his murder and trashing on internet. Hoyt Feb 2015 #29
+1,256,235,255 randys1 Feb 2015 #53
It wasn't a stand your ground case pintobean Feb 2015 #54
Not much difference, and judge mentioned Stand Your Ground BS. Hoyt Feb 2015 #55
() Jack Rabbit Feb 2015 #30
. libodem Feb 2015 #31
But what did happen that night? RobertSF Feb 2015 #32
Bull! sheshe2 Feb 2015 #34
An innocent kid was killed. Phentex Feb 2015 #47
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #33
Enjoy your stay. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #35
Thank you MIRT wherever you are. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #36
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Wow. Was that all the same person or are the racists googling Trayvon's name cui bono Feb 2015 #41
Probably the same fool, hoping his stuff will get read before it gets deleted. uppityperson Feb 2015 #42
At least they went quickly. I didn't even get jury results! cui bono Feb 2015 #44
It was more than one, I read both. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #48
Many different accounts, getting banned as soon as he posts and then his posts get deleted. uppityperson Feb 2015 #56
Some one with to much time on their hands... sheshe2 Feb 2015 #57
It was two of them cui. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #43
May his family find peace but may we not Euphoria Feb 2015 #45
It's just as heart breaking today! Phentex Feb 2015 #49
Breaks my heart too, Phentex. sheshe2 Feb 2015 #51
Was the DoJ going to investigate? What became of that? nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #58
So sad. raven mad Feb 2015 #59
. LiberalElite Feb 2015 #60
A tragic loss. Vattel Feb 2015 #61

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
7. Three years and has anything changed for the better?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:32 AM
Feb 2015

No, not really that I can tell. Other than we do talk about the murders of young black men more now, but they're no less frequent.

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
40. Oh! Is that why I never got the jury results?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:50 AM
Feb 2015

Because they were booted already?

That was a clear and simple decision. I offered them pepperoni.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
10. That is not Trayvon and you know it.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:37 AM
Feb 2015

First post, wow! Bye Bye Jareto, hope you enjoyed your stay!!!!

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. Well it actually probably is...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:38 AM
Feb 2015

But that's besides the point, that person is a malicious intruder... Luckily they get removed.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
20. I think I should take some breaks...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 12:56 AM
Feb 2015

Some of the ugly here as of late, it hurts like hell. Women are going to be taking a beating here. Not for the first time and not the last.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
28. Every day that passes is a crime to his youthful innocents.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 01:57 AM
Feb 2015

Walking home from the gas station with a coke and a bag of skittles is not a crime. Said it the moment we all heard about Zimmerman killing Martin. You normally cannot harass and kill someone (I'll leave cops out of this) when you are a civilian. Or get arrested 6 times SINCE killing Martin.

Sometimes justice is completely fucking blind. Their child should be laughing in school with his friends. Zimmerman should be behind bars. Long ago.

RIP Martin.

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sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
50. Yes, someone posted here...
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:13 PM
Feb 2015

That Zimm has 6 mug shots and Trayvon only has a headstone. That is just not right Rex.

Yes, may he rest in peace.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
29. Gun fanciers & their Stand Your Ground laws are responsible for his murder and trashing on internet.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 02:05 AM
Feb 2015
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
54. It wasn't a stand your ground case
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:53 PM
Feb 2015

it was a self defense case.

That said, it was a senseless death caused by an idiot.

RobertSF

(13 posts)
32. But what did happen that night?
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:05 AM
Feb 2015

After studying the timeline, the evidence, and the distances involved, I concluded that George Zimmerman circled around Retreat View Circle and came up to Martin Trayvon at his dad's girlfriend's condo's back yard.

Here, for the timeline, are some distances and speeds.

Times taken from official record except for time when encounter began.
7:11:48 GZ starts running
7:12:08 GZ stops running
7:13:39 GZ ends call to NEN
7:15:11 Encounter begins (estimated)
7:16:11 First 911 call comes in
7:16:56 Shot fired

Distances calculated with Google Maps and mappedometer.com.
125' Twin Trees to upper T via footpath
100' Upper T to Retreat View Cir. via footpath
470' Retreat View Cir. top to bottom
100' Retreat View Cir. to lower T via footpath
410' Lower T to altercation point via footpath

Various walking and running speeds.
3.0 mph = 264 ft/min = 4.40 ft/sec
3.5 mph = 308 ft/min = 5.13 ft/sec
4.0 mph = 352 ft/min = 5.87 ft/sec Brisk walk for someone in their 20s.
4.5 mph = 396 ft/min = 6.60 ft/sec
5.0 mph = 440 ft/min = 7.33 ft/sec
5.5 mph = 484 ft/min = 8.07 ft/sec Easy jog for someone in their 20s.
6.0 mph = 528 ft/min = 8.80 ft/sec
6.5 mph = 472 ft/min = 9.53 ft/sec
7.0 mph = 616 ft/min = 10.27 ft/sec

And here's the graphic map.


In my scenario, Zimmerman is parked close to the where the footpath starts. He sees Martin start to run, exclaims, "Shit, he's running!" and jumps out of his car.

Martin, the faster runner, reaches the T and goes down the footpath to his dad's girlfriend's condo. I don't think Martin saw Zimmerman get out of his truck. He may even question whether he imagined that that man was staring at him and following him in his car. After all, he doesn't live there, so there's nobody with a score to settle with him. So, reaching the condo, he lingers outside, talking to Dee Dee on the phone. Dee Dee says that he told her he was just outside the condo.

Meanwhile, Zimmerman believed Martin was headed for the back entrance. He said so to the operator, so he goes past the T and reaches Retreat View Circle on the other side. Then, still on the phone with the NEN operator, he walks down Retreat View Circle towards the back entrance. Reaching the back entrance, he doesn't find Martin, and his call to the NEN comes to an end. Zimmerman figures Martin escaped and decides to walk back to his truck via the footpath.

At this point, Zimmerman is walking up the footpath while Martin is outside the condo he's visiting, still talking to Dee Dee. He tells Dee Dee that there's that man again. Dee Dee advises him to run, but Martin says he will only walk fast. And so Martin starts walking fast up the path and away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman by now has seen Martin, and is walking fast after him too. One witness said they were running, one about 10 feet ahead of the other.

About 60 feet from the T, Martin stopped and ask why Zimmerman was following him. Zimmerman ran up and yelled, "What are you doing here?" Zimmerman grabbed Martin by the front of his clothing and tried to take him to the ground. Martin resisted but dropped his phone while saying, "Get off... get off!"

In the tugging, the two moved a few feet North, and then Zimmerman dropped his flashlight on purpose to draw his gun. He intended to intimidate Martin into stopping struggling and submitting. That's when the voices changed from loud, angry shouts to a voice, Martin's, screaming, "Noooo! Noooo!" and "I'm begging you!"

Then Zimmerman fired, and Martin collapsed.

If we take Zimmerman's word at face value, that he simply walked from Twin Trees to Retreat View Circle and then returned, where Martin ambushed him at the T, the timing doesn't work. Even if he delayed a full minute, looking up and down Retreat View Circle before returning, he would have still been on the phone with the NEN operator when Martin supposedly jumped him.

He has almost THREE MINUTES of unexplained time to account for, and that's why I think he took the long walk around and up the footpath.

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cui bono

(19,926 posts)
41. Wow. Was that all the same person or are the racists googling Trayvon's name
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 03:56 AM
Feb 2015

and finding this post?

SMH

RIP TM

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
44. At least they went quickly. I didn't even get jury results!
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 04:04 AM
Feb 2015

EDIT: Oops! There goes another one below! Sheesh.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
56. Many different accounts, getting banned as soon as he posts and then his posts get deleted.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 09:06 PM
Feb 2015

Most likely the same fool signing up over and over and over, 7 times yesterday. Some people have really odd hobbies. You would think once he realized his posts were deleted he'd stop but noooooo.

sheshe2

(83,793 posts)
46. It was two of them cui.
Fri Feb 27, 2015, 07:06 PM
Feb 2015

One was a first time poster the other 8 times and both ugly. One survived a 2-5 leave, someone posted me the results this morning, then they were served pizza.

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