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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf Al Gore Ran Again, Would You Support Him?
Serious question. We get a lot of "anyone but Hillary" but not a lot of anyone with the recognition to begin raising the kind of money it will take to win in the post Citizens United world.
So, why not Big Al Gore? He won once--but was shut out by the SCOTUS.
Love Warren and Sanders but they will never get the money they need to make it in this race. Al Gore could. So, what about Al? Should we draft him?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)He wants nothing to do with the WH, as far as I know.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)brooklynite
(94,604 posts)As much as you may complain about Hillary Clinton, HER supporters went out into the real world, got real people to contribute millions of dollars and tens of thousands of people to commit to work for her. I've seen no such organization effort for Warren (admittedly a waste of time, since she won't run) or for Sanders.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)his candidacy would deserve a long hard look. Not sure about support until things became a little more clear, but I would certainly give it consideration.
elleng
(130,977 posts)I disagree that Eliz Warren would 'never' get the money she'd need to make it. I don't think she'll run (unless MAYBE Hillary decides not to do so,) but IF EW were to announce, imo she'd receive a HUGE amount of contributions, from We the People.
Hekate
(90,716 posts)...a robust primary process, and if only one person steps up, that person will not be battle-hardened for the general election.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)but I kind of gave up on that after '08, as others in the thread did. I really, really, really wanted him to run.
But I came to the conclusion he doesn't seem to want the job terribly much, which paradoxically makes him all the more qualified for it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That said, I think his ship has sailed, even if he were interested--and I doubt he is.
His personal life wouldn't stand the scrutiny. It's not a question of what people "should" or "should not" pay attention to, the bottom line is they would scrub his private life, and it would be very distracting, particularly if they went back in time a few years.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/al-gore-confirms-dating-article-1.1768863
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MADem
(135,425 posts)The thing is, Democrats feel a sense of shame if they misbehave--Republicans don't.
What's a bug to Dems is a feature to the GOP, and no, it's not interchangeable. Our set cares about equality and respect.
But Al?
Not happening.
Also, perhaps you'd be so kind as to tell me what motivated you to seek out this thread and respond to it? This thing has been in the archives for two years.
Badass Liberal
(57 posts)What about Biden?? I think for the non-Hillary fans and the Hillary fans alike, he's a fantastic 2nd choice that maybe we could compromise on. ?
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Bagsgroove
(231 posts)And we could all get bumper stickers that read "Re-Elect Al Gore!"
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)If Al ran, here is what would happen:
He would get years-old stuff brought up...
1.his very pro-war hawk days
2. Washington insider
3. Pro Corporate voting record
4. his personal life
5. he's a quitter
6. any unfortunate utterance he ever made
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It wouldn't matter if times have changed, or he has changed his views.
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mntleo2
(2,535 posts)Look All Gore did not pursue the presidency when he could have had it if he had fought. He did not want it IMO. Democrats blame the voters who voted Green in FL, but the truth is over 190,000 DEMOCRATS crossed the aisle and voted for Bu$h. He had to be aware of that and instead of fighting for the votes he had, he just folded. And he let go the of the only progressive TV station we had ~ for his own profit. I love Al Jazeer, don't get me wrong, but it has not helped Progressives like Current could have. To me these actions say he was in it for himself and could not take anything that overly challenges him.
That being said I would say that if he had pursued his rights, we would not be in the war-stressed mess we are, and while he appears to be a corporatist like HRC caring only for profit, still perhaps we also wouldn't have faced as horrible of the financial crises we have. And I hate to say this but in a sense I blame him for the problems we have with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (if they would have happened at all because he would have probably averted 9/11), because he could have had the power to stop those war criminals and protect us from the 1000s of American deaths and millions of deaths in the Middle East if he simply had the courage to stand his ground and become president.
Plus the reason I have my doubts about what would have happened within our financial crisis is that he was part of the old guard of Democrats. The ones who were paling around with the likes of Terry McAullife who when asked what he had to say about making all his money off the backs of the poor said, "Thanks!" Sorry I have a hard time forgiving that group who had attitudes like that, who also a hand in making life even harder for the poor and middle class with their support of the stripping of our safety net with Welfare DEFormed and with the loss of any control for our first amendment rights with the Telecommunications Act, for being hijacked by the likes of Clear Channel and FAUX news.
I say let Mr Gore go off and enjoy his $400,000,000 Current profits and do whatever he wants to do ~ and at least it appears he is wise enough not to thrown his hat into the ring again as he knows his limits. He appears to be gung ho for something and then tires of it and goes off to do something else, kind of like chasing a butterfly. What have we heard recently about any environmental concerns lately? What is he doing about helping Progressives ~ or any Democrat to have a voice like he did with Current? Nada ~ he is off doing something else it appears. So I do not miss him nor do I think a majority of Democrats do either.
I will vote for a Democrat no matter who it is ~ or how hard I will have to hold my nose to do it. This is because I have seen any Democrat like him and his friends can be only slightly better than a moderate Republican and as a lifelong Democrat I could never vote for a Republican as the party has always been ...sad. Maybe that will not be a popular stance but it is where I am after seeing them turn on the poor who behaved not that much better than Republicans in the 1990s and for taking away a voice for Progressives by selling them off to the highest bidders.
My 2 cents,
Cat in Seattle
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)When the Constitutional crisis was upon us, Gore left the field of battle.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...weapon. http://climaterealityproject.org/our-mission
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)and was left hanging in the wind by Senate Democrats when the CBC and other House Democrats tried to challenge the vote in January. All that was needed was ONE Senator to raise an official challenge to the electoral vote. One. Not even some great Democrats like Ted Kennedy or Robert Byrd stepped up.
Gore did all he could. The only thing left after that was armed insurrection.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)fought it to the SCOTUS and forced them to break the law and tarnish their legacy forever. Maybe if Kerry had done the same they might have hesitated to do it twice.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)anotojefiremnesuka
(198 posts)Why because of the whole PRMC thing he lead.
The only Gov Job he should have is head of the EPA., otherwise I could care less what he does with his life.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Time for newer blood.
Dude ran a pretty lousy campaign in 2000, all things considered. He's a stalwart individual, but he's not the greatest presidential candidate the Democrats ever had.
Much respect for all he's done.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)Gore didn't show the will, the desire, the fire needed then and I don't think he has it now either.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But he would never do it. And in a way I don't blame him. He got screwed in 2000. Right now he's doing what he wants to do and if he's happy with that, I'm happy for him.
we can do it
(12,189 posts)kpete
(71,997 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I am a fan of the less cautious, more "fuck you", bearded version of Al Gore.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I don't think she would have a problem filling the coffers at all. She doesn't have the team of "collectors" Hillary does and that would hurt her in the primary, but if she made it out of the primary many of those people would simply transfer over to her team. Obama raised more money than anyone ever has and he was initially viewed as unfriendly toward big business. So, what happened? Corporate America puts their money behind winners.
With respect to Gore. I think he is a really good man. I also think he is a professional at allowing others to marginalize him. He has a career of doing just that. I also think he is more of a pragmatist than Obama. Those who cannot stand the incremental steps from Obama would really not like Gore. For some reason people really like to rewrite history with respect to Gore. Maybe because he became such a staunch fighter for something we all know to be true.
adigal
(7,581 posts)While Hillary got the corporations and big donors.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Obama got a whole lot more than small donations. He was out front in all contributions in both of his campaigns. If you can show where Hillary trounced him in other donations I would love to see it. We all know he got a ton of small donations, but that isn't all he got.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)I doubt he'll consider running, though, and I'm not sure he'd get my primary vote, either.
Whoever the nominee ends up being will get my full support. In the meantime, I'm focused on legislative races.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But it seems that his time has passed.
BP2
(554 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)If he were the nominee I would vote for him.
USArmyParatrooper
(1,827 posts)Not just yeah but fuck yeah.
He was the real reason for the economic boom of the 1990's, not Clinton.
The project he led and spearheaded, the High Performance Computing Act of 1991. One of the few real intellectuals in politics.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)I've regretted my vote for him and particularly Lieberman because it and others I got out would probably be better spent on telling the Turd Way to sit and spin and increasing the viability of the Greens to increase pressure from the left flank.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I would vote for him again. Sadly, we probably would not be able to convince him to run again. He seems very set against running again.
algorewonflorida2000
(12 posts)I'm not so sure he's quite so rigid about not running. I certainly understand the history preservation of his win in 2000. He did answer the question in a recent forum with Tom Friedman as "not likely". I think that's a lot softer than "absolutely not". Thanks to the TrumpNazi, I think he's been handed a giant, very visible platform on the environment and the threat of climate change which he's now beginning to build on. Our country desperately needs him. I think a Gore/Warren ticket has a pretty good ring to it. I certainly won't hesitate to back him again, that's for sure.
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Without question.....
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)He seems like a decent enough fellow.
We just need to get out of the 90s and leave the Bush, Clinton and Gore families to the history books.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)But I will vote for pretty much any Democrat that goes on the general election for Presidency at this time.
Republicans are just that damaging. I don't see them being able to run any one that would be even half-way decent.
Saying that, I will support Gore. I wanted him to run during Kerry's time, during Obama's time, but he didn't.
If he does, sure, I'll support him even in the primaries.
glasshouses
(484 posts)The guy is a walking contradiction of what he says he believes compared to the life he lives.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)I'd still support Bernie, of course, but if he were to drop out early, I'd definitely support Gore over HRC.
AwakeAtLast
(14,132 posts)I would support him should he choose to run again.
adigal
(7,581 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Gore's moment was 2004.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)He's a good Democrat, much like Hilary is.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)We need a lot more people like him.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)YES.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Absolutely.
Stevepol
(4,234 posts)He's a proven winner. He won in 2000 by a good margin. SCOTUS changed the rules and flipped the results.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Since he's the first politician in his family...
Oh wait.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)U
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Renew Deal
(81,866 posts)Against Warren I would probably support Warren.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)he is even stronger than he was in 2008, and no longer has that right wing Tipper Gore around.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If he would have insisted on a recount in Florida things would probably be a hell of a lot better than they are.
on point
(2,506 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,415 posts)Love him!!
olddots
(10,237 posts)a very bad decision . NO !
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)isn't worth the effort.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I'm sure he a very nice guy and maybe even fun to be with, but all most people see is a very stiff guy who rarely even smiles. Like it or not, it's that connection that wins elections. I loved his ideas, and I'm sure he still has most of them and more, but he cannot change his personality. I won't vote for a candidate who I don't believe can ever win.
marlakay
(11,477 posts)And dating for last two years, he would have to settle that immediately....
This country is just not accepting enough even though we all have lives like that.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I think he is feed up with politics ... just my impression - I don't know
God just think of the alternative history... no 9/11, no Iraq war, no bank collapse ... we the people got absolutely FUCKED that horrible night back in 2000!
brooklynite
(94,604 posts)...all the money he's made on the Board of the evil Apple Computer?
greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)tavernier
(12,393 posts)But no.
wickerwoman
(5,662 posts)I agree with him ideologically but he had his chance and he didn't fight for it. And if the last 14 years have taught us anything, it's that we need progressive leaders that get out there and fight for it.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)dylan33
(92 posts)Run him against Jeb and see him concede again. Not this time. No thanks
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)This is the kind of thing that makes me absolutely crazy, because it's not grounded in reality. Wishing about an Al Gore campaign in 2016 is basically just pissing into the wind.
Instead, take a close look at genuinely possible candidates and work for them.
politicman
(710 posts)Just the simple fact that Gore chose Lieberman as his running mate, shows that in 2000 Gore and Bush were similar.
it was not the 'left' that lost the election, it was the DLC which had the gall to think that Lieberman was a good idea for a running mate
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)His failure to fight to the bloody end disqualifies him in my opinion. Sure, Lieberman pulled the trigger but Gore gave up the farm way too easily.
All those people who claim he did what was "best for the nation" ignore the fact that there were such dire consequences for treating the Florida voter fraud like it was just trying to throw a pass on the last play. If the Dems had been in office it is highly unlikely that reports of possible terrorism attacks would have been dismissed as partisan ploys like they were by the Bush cabal.
Al Gore? no mas
B Calm
(28,762 posts)chose Lieberman as his VP.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It depends on what issues he ran on, and what positions he took on those issues.
I did support the movement to draft him in '08, as I had no interest in either of the two left standing months before my primary rolled around.