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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMake no mistake -- I will vote for Hillary if she is our nominee
and will be happy to. But I do think we need a plan B. Any human enterprise can fail -- even Clinton enterprises -- and I had a health crisis myself that put me on the sidelines for a year when I was younger than Hil. (Feeling great now, thanks for asking.) So I will probably support another candidate in the primaries, just for that reason.
I love Bernie and Elizabeth, but I don't think of them in Plan B terms. Deval Patrick? He says he is not going to run, and probably won't. Ed Rendell? Nah ....
I don't know a lot about Martin O'Malley, but what I know looks pretty good, and he has one thing going for him: he wants it.
Any thoughts?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)rogerashton
(3,920 posts)I could go with that.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)he is vastly more intelligent than they are and he has a wicked sense of humor.
I actually believe if he ran he would win.
MBS
(9,688 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)not quite the Al Franken Decade.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I will go through the 84, 88, and 04 benches if you like.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)The bottom quarter is good reading on O'Malley's positions and what he accomplished in Maryland.
With a balanced approach of spending cuts, regulatory reform, and modern investment in education, innovation, and infrastructure, Governor OMalley and his Administration are making better choices that are delivering better results, including:
Fastest rate of job growth in the region.
#1 ranking for best public schools in America for an unprecedented five years in a row (Education Week).
#1 ranking for holding down the cost of college tuition (College Board).
#1 ranking for innovation and entrepreneurship for two years running (U.S. Chamber of Commerce).
Under the Governors leadership, Maryland also ranks:
#1 nationally in median income,
#1 in Ph.D. scientists and researchers per capita,
#1 in Research and Development, and
#1 in businesses owned by women.
Called arguably the best manager in government by Washington Monthly magazine, Governor OMalley has cut State spending more than any previous governor in Marylands history, balancing these record cuts with targeted, modern investments in priorities like public education. He has reduced the size of government to its smallest size since 1973 (on a per capita basis) and reformed how it is managed, so that it works more efficiently and accountably. His actions to save Marylands State pension system have made it sustainable over the long term. His fiscal stewardship has nearly eliminated Marylands structural deficit. His efforts to streamline, consolidate and digitize processes like business licensing are making Maryland a better place to do business.
PS, part of a public informational archive and not bound by copyright.
The Governors policies have made strides in restoring the health of the Chesapeake Bay and saving the Bays native blue crab and oyster populations.
The OMalley Administration has secured millions of dollars in rate relief for Maryland energy consumers while jump-starting the creation of thousands of green energy sector jobs. Under Governor OMalleys leadership, Maryland led the charge for the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), the nations first cap-and-trade auction of greenhouse emissions.
Governor OMalley has cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders and reformed Marylands tax code to make it more progressive. In addition, he signed the nations first statewide living wage law, along with some of the nations most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.
Declaring that Marylanders are bound together by the common thread of human dignity, Governor OMalley signed legislation to protect individual civil marriage rights and religious freedom, along with legislation to protect voting rights. He signed and successfully defended at the ballot box the DREAM Act, which expands the opportunity of a college education to more Marylanders.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)And would like to check him out more. I already have seen some of the "anti Obama, and anti Hillary" posters going after him for "tracking" and some kind of chicken thing. Sometimes I think there is a group here that just don't like anyone, except maybe Warren, but then again if she real doesn't run and backs Hillary, that might change also.
Right now there is really no candidates that have come out and said "yes I am going to run", so until then I will read what I can about those who "might" run and have a chance to win. I love Bernie, and I really want to see him in the debates, but I don't think he can win. Whoever wins the nomination I will vote for.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)chicken imperialism, and switched his position at the end of his term in a strategic way.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/2014/12/14/a8e3e892-8212-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html
But any successful state-level politician is going to have some arrangements with enterprises important to the state economy.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)O'Malley had enacted what the press called a "rain tax." It taxed businesses and homeowners for the amount of paved land which water could run off of. This is similar to the stormwater taxes that are part of the water bill in many states. For most Homeowners this would be about $26 a year with the funds being used to help the Chesapeake Bay. This "outrageous" tax was too much for Maryland and they swept in a puke as Governor.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I believe that as a party we should ask ourselves why we are voting against establishment candidates, why we are upset by corporate-focused candidates get all of the attention, and why we are painted as the party with no courage.
Why are Democrats, Liberals and free thinkers accepting the moniker that we are weak-ass people that have the gall to think for themselves.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)1/2 cent would go to Transportation projects and 1/2 cent to Education. The entire State freaked out and swept in Republican leaders* everywhere dragging our State economy into the dumpster. All over 1 f'ing penny.
* Pukes like George Allen and Jim Gilmore.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)for his efforts, he was recalled and replaced by Ahh-nuld. We are still digging out of the mess he left us.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)he overpaid for long-term electricity contracts during the last big droughts. This was the subject of the famous Enron "death star" email.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)That's why they just HAD to get Ahnold installed as governor so he could shut the investigation down.
"On May 17, 2001, future Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Los Angeles Mayor Republican Richard Riordan met with Enron CEO Kenneth Lay at the Peninsula Beverly Hills Hotel in Beverly Hills. The meeting was convened for Enron to present its "Comprehensive Solution for California," which called for an end to federal and state investigations into Enron's role in the California energy crisis.[32][33][34]
"On October 7, 2003, Schwarzenegger was elected Governor of California to replace Davis."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis
Dems to Win
(2,161 posts)The Democratic Establishment made the deal with Hillary in 2008 that if she stood aside for Obama, the entire leadership of the Democratic Party would get behind her in 2016. Thom Hartmann has talked about this recently.
Harry Reid encouraged Obama to run in 2007. He's not done that with anyone this time around, and he won't.
No well known potential candidates will step forward because they know they will get no support from Dem leaders or big fundraisers. It's Hillary's turn.
O'Malley is on record supporting Hillary in 2010. If he runs, it wont be a serious effort, but it will serve as a place for the Anyone But Hillary voters to mark their primary ballot, so they can then be convinced to follow along with the party in the GE. If Hillary is truly unopposed, those ABH Democrats might be so angry they would be tempted to stay home in the fall. Better to give them a name to vote for at primary time. O'Malley might then be rewarded with Commerce Secretary or whatever cabinet post he wants.
Bernie might run because he wasn't party to the 2008 deal and his candidacy won't depend on conventional fundraising with the party bigwigs. His campaign would have to be entirely fueled by outside the beltway money and volunteers.
My personal preferred candidate is Congresswoman Barbara Lee, but I have no expectation that she will run. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have drained this country of blood and treasure and there is no end in sight. We should turn to the one brave woman, the lone prophetic voice in our Congress who stood against these travesties and whose warnings have sadly come true. I'm Ready for Barbara Lee -- the only member of Congress wise enough to vote NO on the AUMFs of 2001 and 2002. She also voted NO on the Patriot Act. Really, if we as a country had the slightest bit of common sense, we would be pounding on her door, begging her to lead us, since she was the courageous voice who has been proven oh-so-correct.
IF we could generate 10 million postcards to Liz Warren, she might feel obligated to answer the call. MoveOn and Democrats for America are trying to draft her, so I've joined that effort, hence my sig block.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)And a big thanks also for mentioning the postcards for Warren's draft So great you're DOING something!!
https://actionnetwork.org/forms/get-a-free-run-liz-run-postcard-4
Have you been to the Populist Reform Group here, under the topic Democrats? There are some interesting conversations about the DCCC and their choices.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)be an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with her potential campaign. I think he should jump the gun and announce now.
As for Warren, if she wanted to run, she would. I've seen no indication that she will.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Jeb Bush cannot be allowed to become POTUS. We cannot survive another Bush in office imo.
I think we all have the right to disagree about who should, or should not be the nominee, but in the end what you said should be the bottom line. No way can we afford another Bush in office!
Rex
(65,616 posts)And I think some of my even more far to the left friends here (they will never admit to it) will feel compelled to vote for whoever ends up the candidate. Easy to talk big right now (for everyone no matter who they support for Dem nominee) so far away from the actual election...not so easy once the dam thing is over.
elfin
(6,262 posts)than I expected. Need to get to know him and his policies and record more than the standard candidate web sites. Plus need to see him interviewed, which is a problem because I am sick and tired of canned Q&A, thus skipping many "political" shows, even a previous fave like Rachel.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)and will pull anything out of their asses to stir up controversy but, I don't give a damn I will never vote for these RepubliCONS the only problem we will have is another fake Dem like Leiberman who was the great pretender runniing with Gore, I don't put anything past these people for a lot of these politicians it is not about us it is about the money..
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)But right now she's The Titanic. No one wants to get off the sinking ship right now, it's early.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I would never forgive myself. I have 3 granddaughters. No way would I betray them.
We cannot let an anti-choice republican win and get the power to appoint the next few Supreme Court justices!
Hillary is pro-choice. If she is the nominee I will vote for her.
Period. Full stop.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)But he is black and the American people are racist.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)as a champion of anybody beside herself, black, white, Asian or Latino.
She is rather deft at mixed messages, and I don't appreciate some of the things that she says.
I'm not anti-Hillary, I'm just anti-some-of-the-bullshit-she-supports.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and as a woman I was very energetic with her campaign for the Democratic Party primary, but ..
Hillary WANTS to be President. It is her driving ambition that she becomes the POTUS.
And that scares me.
I fear leaders that want the prize of leadership. The folks that accept the responsibility - they are benefactors.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)the reason for no big names being offered? Imo, there
was definitely an agreement between TPTB in the party
and the Clintons in 2008.
Thus it did not surprise me. If the party does not want
to have someone running seriously,then it won't support
anyone trying. O'Malley is probably trying for the
VP slot or anything in the Clinton administration. He will
just spar very gently with her.
Thus, I for one will stick to Bernie or Warren, even though,
or just because, I know the deck is stacked against them
on purpose. Already the push is on to cut down EW.
840high
(17,196 posts)I can about O'Malley. Don't care for Clinton anymore.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)instead of gobbling all the resources and leaving the country in the lurch if she can't have the ball.