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rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:27 PM Mar 2015

Make no mistake -- I will vote for Hillary if she is our nominee

and will be happy to. But I do think we need a plan B. Any human enterprise can fail -- even Clinton enterprises -- and I had a health crisis myself that put me on the sidelines for a year when I was younger than Hil. (Feeling great now, thanks for asking.) So I will probably support another candidate in the primaries, just for that reason.

I love Bernie and Elizabeth, but I don't think of them in Plan B terms. Deval Patrick? He says he is not going to run, and probably won't. Ed Rendell? Nah ....

I don't know a lot about Martin O'Malley, but what I know looks pretty good, and he has one thing going for him: he wants it.

Any thoughts?

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Make no mistake -- I will vote for Hillary if she is our nominee (Original Post) rogerashton Mar 2015 OP
Al Franken would be awesome. Plan B is always a good idea. NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #1
Al's candidacy could be a helluva lot of fun -- rogerashton Mar 2015 #2
Can you just see him in a debate with a Rick Perry or Cruz? AMAZING because NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #4
++ + n/t MBS Mar 2015 #17
But he'd only get to serve eight years KamaAina Mar 2015 #19
This is one of our weakest benches in recent memory... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #3
I'm for O'Malley. Here's his resume FSogol Mar 2015 #5
I like what you have posted on O'Malley Andy823 Mar 2015 #9
There are reports that he has done some favors for rogerashton Mar 2015 #10
Thanks for the link. nt Andy823 Mar 2015 #11
So why did Maryland just vote in a repuke as his successor? KamaAina Mar 2015 #20
He was term limited and his Lt Gov ran a horrendous campaign. FSogol Mar 2015 #21
One wonders how many of those 'puke voters have "Treasure The Chesapeake" plates KamaAina Mar 2015 #23
That's an excellent question Aerows Mar 2015 #28
In VA in 1992(?) they wanted to raise State tax by 1 cents per dollar. FSogol Mar 2015 #29
Gray Davis dared to raise the vehicle registration fee in CA KamaAina Mar 2015 #32
It was also because daredtowork Mar 2015 #34
Davis was investigating the California energy debacle Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #35
Thank you. 840high Mar 2015 #31
Dem leadership seems very committed to having no vigorous challengers to Hillary Dems to Win Mar 2015 #6
Thanks, very interesting post. Barbara Lee would get my vote! RiverLover Mar 2015 #15
O'Malley is friendly w/ HRC, but I think he is sensing that there might FSogol Mar 2015 #24
Make no mistake, I will too. Rex Mar 2015 #7
Exactly. Andy823 Mar 2015 #12
I'd rather chop my hand off than not vote OR knowingly allow Jeb Bush to win. Rex Mar 2015 #14
Agree. O'Malley is taking Plan B more seriously elfin Mar 2015 #8
The CONS are desperate... butterfly77 Mar 2015 #13
I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee Politicalboi Mar 2015 #16
If I stayed home and a repuke won and appointed antichoice justices to the Supreme Court CTyankee Mar 2015 #18
Gus Savage is still on the bench. AngryAmish Mar 2015 #22
I am dubious of Hillary Clinton Aerows Mar 2015 #26
I will too Aerows Mar 2015 #25
Have you never wondered about sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #27
I;m going to find out all 840high Mar 2015 #30
I wish Hillary herself would sanction a plan B daredtowork Mar 2015 #33

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
4. Can you just see him in a debate with a Rick Perry or Cruz? AMAZING because
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:35 PM
Mar 2015

he is vastly more intelligent than they are and he has a wicked sense of humor.

I actually believe if he ran he would win.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. This is one of our weakest benches in recent memory...
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:33 PM
Mar 2015

I will go through the 84, 88, and 04 benches if you like.


FSogol

(45,488 posts)
5. I'm for O'Malley. Here's his resume
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:37 PM
Mar 2015
http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/08conoff/gov/former/html/msa13090.html

The bottom quarter is good reading on O'Malley's positions and what he accomplished in Maryland.

A former Governing Magazine “Public Official of the Year,” Governor O’Malley was re-elected in 2010. His 2013 legislative successes were described in a Baltimore Sun editorial as “without many parallels in recent Maryland history.”

With a balanced approach of spending cuts, regulatory reform, and modern investment in education, innovation, and infrastructure, Governor O’Malley and his Administration are making better choices that are delivering better results, including:

Fastest rate of job growth in the region.
#1 ranking for best public schools in America for an unprecedented five years in a row (Education Week).
#1 ranking for holding down the cost of college tuition (College Board).
#1 ranking for innovation and entrepreneurship for two years running (U.S. Chamber of Commerce).

Under the Governor’s leadership, Maryland also ranks:

#1 nationally in median income,
#1 in Ph.D. scientists and researchers per capita,
#1 in Research and Development, and
#1 in businesses owned by women.


Called “arguably the best manager in government” by Washington Monthly magazine, Governor O’Malley has cut State spending more than any previous governor in Maryland’s history, balancing these record cuts with targeted, modern investments in priorities like public education. He has reduced the size of government to its smallest size since 1973 (on a per capita basis) and reformed how it is managed, so that it works more efficiently and accountably. His actions to save Maryland’s State pension system have made it sustainable over the long term. His fiscal stewardship has nearly eliminated Maryland’s structural deficit. His efforts to streamline, consolidate and digitize processes like business licensing are making Maryland a better place to do business.



PS, part of a public informational archive and not bound by copyright.


The O’Malley-Brown Administration has expanded health care to more than 380,000 previously uninsured Marylanders. It has reduced infant mortality to an historic low, and provided meals to thousands of hungry children as it moves forward toward its goal for eradicating childhood hunger.

The Governor’s policies have made strides in restoring the health of the Chesapeake Bay and saving the Bay’s native blue crab and oyster populations.

The O’Malley Administration has secured millions of dollars in rate relief for Maryland energy consumers while jump-starting the creation of thousands of green energy sector jobs. Under Governor O’Malley’s leadership, Maryland led the charge for the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), the nation’s first cap-and-trade auction of greenhouse emissions.

Governor O’Malley has cut income taxes for 86% of Marylanders and reformed Maryland’s tax code to make it more progressive. In addition, he signed the nation’s first statewide living wage law, along with some of the nation’s most comprehensive reforms to protect homeowners from foreclosure.

Declaring that Marylanders are bound together by “the common thread of human dignity,” Governor O’Malley signed legislation to protect individual civil marriage rights and religious freedom, along with legislation to protect voting rights. He signed – and successfully defended at the ballot box – the DREAM Act, which expands the opportunity of a college education to more Marylanders.


Andy823

(11,495 posts)
9. I like what you have posted on O'Malley
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:48 PM
Mar 2015

And would like to check him out more. I already have seen some of the "anti Obama, and anti Hillary" posters going after him for "tracking" and some kind of chicken thing. Sometimes I think there is a group here that just don't like anyone, except maybe Warren, but then again if she real doesn't run and backs Hillary, that might change also.

Right now there is really no candidates that have come out and said "yes I am going to run", so until then I will read what I can about those who "might" run and have a chance to win. I love Bernie, and I really want to see him in the debates, but I don't think he can win. Whoever wins the nomination I will vote for.

rogerashton

(3,920 posts)
10. There are reports that he has done some favors for
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 07:35 PM
Mar 2015

chicken imperialism, and switched his position at the end of his term in a strategic way.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/2014/12/14/a8e3e892-8212-11e4-8882-03cf08410beb_story.html

But any successful state-level politician is going to have some arrangements with enterprises important to the state economy.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
21. He was term limited and his Lt Gov ran a horrendous campaign.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:35 PM
Mar 2015

O'Malley had enacted what the press called a "rain tax." It taxed businesses and homeowners for the amount of paved land which water could run off of. This is similar to the stormwater taxes that are part of the water bill in many states. For most Homeowners this would be about $26 a year with the funds being used to help the Chesapeake Bay. This "outrageous" tax was too much for Maryland and they swept in a puke as Governor.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
28. That's an excellent question
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:59 PM
Mar 2015

and I believe that as a party we should ask ourselves why we are voting against establishment candidates, why we are upset by corporate-focused candidates get all of the attention, and why we are painted as the party with no courage.

Why are Democrats, Liberals and free thinkers accepting the moniker that we are weak-ass people that have the gall to think for themselves.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
29. In VA in 1992(?) they wanted to raise State tax by 1 cents per dollar.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 09:11 PM
Mar 2015

1/2 cent would go to Transportation projects and 1/2 cent to Education. The entire State freaked out and swept in Republican leaders* everywhere dragging our State economy into the dumpster. All over 1 f'ing penny.


* Pukes like George Allen and Jim Gilmore.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
32. Gray Davis dared to raise the vehicle registration fee in CA
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 12:54 AM
Mar 2015

for his efforts, he was recalled and replaced by Ahh-nuld. We are still digging out of the mess he left us.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
34. It was also because
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:01 AM
Mar 2015

he overpaid for long-term electricity contracts during the last big droughts. This was the subject of the famous Enron "death star" email.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
35. Davis was investigating the California energy debacle
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 04:10 AM
Mar 2015

That's why they just HAD to get Ahnold installed as governor so he could shut the investigation down.

"On May 17, 2001, future Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and former Los Angeles Mayor Republican Richard Riordan met with Enron CEO Kenneth Lay at the Peninsula Beverly Hills Hotel in Beverly Hills. The meeting was convened for Enron to present its "Comprehensive Solution for California," which called for an end to federal and state investigations into Enron's role in the California energy crisis.[32][33][34]

"On October 7, 2003, Schwarzenegger was elected Governor of California to replace Davis."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_electricity_crisis

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
6. Dem leadership seems very committed to having no vigorous challengers to Hillary
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:37 PM
Mar 2015

The Democratic Establishment made the deal with Hillary in 2008 that if she stood aside for Obama, the entire leadership of the Democratic Party would get behind her in 2016. Thom Hartmann has talked about this recently.

Harry Reid encouraged Obama to run in 2007. He's not done that with anyone this time around, and he won't.

No well known potential candidates will step forward because they know they will get no support from Dem leaders or big fundraisers. It's Hillary's turn.

O'Malley is on record supporting Hillary in 2010. If he runs, it wont be a serious effort, but it will serve as a place for the Anyone But Hillary voters to mark their primary ballot, so they can then be convinced to follow along with the party in the GE. If Hillary is truly unopposed, those ABH Democrats might be so angry they would be tempted to stay home in the fall. Better to give them a name to vote for at primary time. O'Malley might then be rewarded with Commerce Secretary or whatever cabinet post he wants.

Bernie might run because he wasn't party to the 2008 deal and his candidacy won't depend on conventional fundraising with the party bigwigs. His campaign would have to be entirely fueled by outside the beltway money and volunteers.

My personal preferred candidate is Congresswoman Barbara Lee, but I have no expectation that she will run. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have drained this country of blood and treasure and there is no end in sight. We should turn to the one brave woman, the lone prophetic voice in our Congress who stood against these travesties and whose warnings have sadly come true. I'm Ready for Barbara Lee -- the only member of Congress wise enough to vote NO on the AUMFs of 2001 and 2002. She also voted NO on the Patriot Act. Really, if we as a country had the slightest bit of common sense, we would be pounding on her door, begging her to lead us, since she was the courageous voice who has been proven oh-so-correct.

IF we could generate 10 million postcards to Liz Warren, she might feel obligated to answer the call. MoveOn and Democrats for America are trying to draft her, so I've joined that effort, hence my sig block.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
15. Thanks, very interesting post. Barbara Lee would get my vote!
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:20 PM
Mar 2015

And a big thanks also for mentioning the postcards for Warren's draft So great you're DOING something!!





https://actionnetwork.org/forms/get-a-free-run-liz-run-postcard-4

Have you been to the Populist Reform Group here, under the topic Democrats? There are some interesting conversations about the DCCC and their choices.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
24. O'Malley is friendly w/ HRC, but I think he is sensing that there might
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:44 PM
Mar 2015

be an undercurrent of dissatisfaction with her potential campaign. I think he should jump the gun and announce now.

As for Warren, if she wanted to run, she would. I've seen no indication that she will.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
7. Make no mistake, I will too.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:39 PM
Mar 2015

Jeb Bush cannot be allowed to become POTUS. We cannot survive another Bush in office imo.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
12. Exactly.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:10 PM
Mar 2015

I think we all have the right to disagree about who should, or should not be the nominee, but in the end what you said should be the bottom line. No way can we afford another Bush in office!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. I'd rather chop my hand off than not vote OR knowingly allow Jeb Bush to win.
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:15 PM
Mar 2015

And I think some of my even more far to the left friends here (they will never admit to it) will feel compelled to vote for whoever ends up the candidate. Easy to talk big right now (for everyone no matter who they support for Dem nominee) so far away from the actual election...not so easy once the dam thing is over.

elfin

(6,262 posts)
8. Agree. O'Malley is taking Plan B more seriously
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 06:43 PM
Mar 2015

than I expected. Need to get to know him and his policies and record more than the standard candidate web sites. Plus need to see him interviewed, which is a problem because I am sick and tired of canned Q&A, thus skipping many "political" shows, even a previous fave like Rachel.

 

butterfly77

(17,609 posts)
13. The CONS are desperate...
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:15 PM
Mar 2015

and will pull anything out of their asses to stir up controversy but, I don't give a damn I will never vote for these RepubliCONS the only problem we will have is another fake Dem like Leiberman who was the great pretender runniing with Gore, I don't put anything past these people for a lot of these politicians it is not about us it is about the money..

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
16. I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:21 PM
Mar 2015

But right now she's The Titanic. No one wants to get off the sinking ship right now, it's early.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. If I stayed home and a repuke won and appointed antichoice justices to the Supreme Court
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:26 PM
Mar 2015

I would never forgive myself. I have 3 granddaughters. No way would I betray them.
We cannot let an anti-choice republican win and get the power to appoint the next few Supreme Court justices!

Hillary is pro-choice. If she is the nominee I will vote for her.

Period. Full stop.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
26. I am dubious of Hillary Clinton
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:55 PM
Mar 2015

as a champion of anybody beside herself, black, white, Asian or Latino.

She is rather deft at mixed messages, and I don't appreciate some of the things that she says.

I'm not anti-Hillary, I'm just anti-some-of-the-bullshit-she-supports.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. I will too
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:51 PM
Mar 2015

and as a woman I was very energetic with her campaign for the Democratic Party primary, but ..

Hillary WANTS to be President. It is her driving ambition that she becomes the POTUS.

And that scares me.

I fear leaders that want the prize of leadership. The folks that accept the responsibility - they are benefactors.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
27. Have you never wondered about
Fri Mar 6, 2015, 08:58 PM
Mar 2015

the reason for no big names being offered? Imo, there
was definitely an agreement between TPTB in the party
and the Clintons in 2008.

Thus it did not surprise me. If the party does not want
to have someone running seriously,then it won't support
anyone trying. O'Malley is probably trying for the
VP slot or anything in the Clinton administration. He will
just spar very gently with her.

Thus, I for one will stick to Bernie or Warren, even though,
or just because, I know the deck is stacked against them
on purpose. Already the push is on to cut down EW.

daredtowork

(3,732 posts)
33. I wish Hillary herself would sanction a plan B
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 03:54 AM
Mar 2015

instead of gobbling all the resources and leaving the country in the lurch if she can't have the ball.

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