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Daylight Savings Time? (Original Post) El Supremo Mar 2015 OP
Actually, I think it should just stay DST. marym625 Mar 2015 #1
+1. Move the clocks forward in March but then never change them again. Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #4
I just read about that in the Washington Post marym625 Mar 2015 #7
Thanks (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #11
Yup. I loved it when we had it year round. n/t pnwmom Mar 2015 #23
Works for me...nt MADem Mar 2015 #24
I actually love it. yeoman6987 Mar 2015 #9
That hour makes a big difference to some people marym625 Mar 2015 #10
Are those actually correlated? Agschmid Mar 2015 #15
according to an oped article in the Washington Post marym625 Mar 2015 #16
If someone kills themselves over DLS, then that is one loose cannon Reter Mar 2015 #19
uhm. not over it marym625 Mar 2015 #21
Should we not build bridges over fear of suicide? Travis_0004 Mar 2015 #32
I am not suggesting we should marym625 Mar 2015 #35
Sports accounts for more suicides than DST Reter Mar 2015 #50
dear lord marym625 Mar 2015 #52
If everyone really likes the extra hour in the evening... Silent3 Mar 2015 #12
ok. marym625 Mar 2015 #13
Because we can't tell the sun to stay out an extra hour Reter Mar 2015 #20
Changing schedules is changing the time "manually" just as much as DST is. Silent3 Mar 2015 #22
I just want it to stay light out as late as possible in the Summer Reter Mar 2015 #47
My comments are not about people who want extra evening daylight in the summer only Silent3 Mar 2015 #54
This pokerfan Mar 2015 #55
For me .... pick a time (any time) and leave it there! etherealtruth Mar 2015 #36
I don't know if I care which one as much as I used to marym625 Mar 2015 #38
Yes, no "Fall Back". smirkymonkey Mar 2015 #51
I don't quite understand marym625 Mar 2015 #53
Sleepy time is good! shenmue Mar 2015 #2
I hate it. NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #3
I love DST. ohheckyeah Mar 2015 #5
I like it. salib Mar 2015 #6
Can you add marym625 Mar 2015 #8
Hate it. nt City Lights Mar 2015 #14
Not yet, in about another half hour.. Fumesucker Mar 2015 #17
My body clock prefers regular time. shanti Mar 2015 #18
Hate the change prefer the schedule loyalsister Mar 2015 #25
doesnt bug me. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #26
what is rhis time olddots Mar 2015 #27
just PICK ONE and stop playing ProdigalJunkMail Mar 2015 #28
spring forward already? yuiyoshida Mar 2015 #29
Since I am an early to bed type I prefer DST. The winter darkness in the morning is CTyankee Mar 2015 #30
Dislike it immensely. Have to feed livestock in morning darkness. kaiden Mar 2015 #31
That reset into darkness only lasts a couple weeks, yes? HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #33
It will be a couple of months. kaiden Mar 2015 #39
I guess for me, a finger width at arms length seems to be about 5 minutes HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #41
Then let him make his own breakfast. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2015 #34
I wish! Ha! kaiden Mar 2015 #40
My cats are the keepers of the clock around here. :-/ MerryBlooms Mar 2015 #37
DST...permanently. LWolf Mar 2015 #42
We don't do it here in Hawaii.. just have to know that Cal is 3 hrs ahead of us now.. and EC is 6. Cha Mar 2015 #43
I had to choose "No" as you rock Mar 2015 #44
Daylight Saving (no S) time. X_Digger Mar 2015 #45
I remember hearing hfojvt Mar 2015 #46
I don't want to be woken up with the sun at 5AM meow2u3 Mar 2015 #48
Would prefer the East Coast embrace AST nt One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #49

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
4. +1. Move the clocks forward in March but then never change them again.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 10:33 PM
Mar 2015

It takes me a week to feel normal again after the clocks move.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
9. I actually love it.
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 11:00 PM
Mar 2015

I know it stinks in the Winter but the Summer is awesome to not get dark until almost 10 o'clock (depending on where you are). I think we complain every time we have to change for a day or two and get used to it quickly. It is only an hour for goodness sake. Yes the first day of work stinks. I think we should change them on a Friday night instead of Saturday night to get two days to get used to it before working again.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
10. That hour makes a big difference to some people
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 11:04 PM
Mar 2015

Suicide rate going up, no matter how tiny of an increase, isn't worth it. But if we have to keep it, Friday would make more sense

marym625

(17,997 posts)
16. according to an oped article in the Washington Post
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 12:08 AM
Mar 2015

But I don't have any medical study on it. I am going to check though. Tomorrow though. Have to get to bed. Lose an hour sleep and have a long day tomorrow. .

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. uhm. not over it
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:06 AM
Mar 2015

The loss of sleep triggers an episode. Not like they're upset about DST.

How compassionate of you

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
32. Should we not build bridges over fear of suicide?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 08:45 AM
Mar 2015

I havent heard of mass people commiting suicide over dst, and I dont think we should let the few who might determine narional policy

marym625

(17,997 posts)
35. I am not suggesting we should
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 08:55 AM
Mar 2015

Use only that as a reason to change what we currently do with daylight saving time/standard time. Just saying if we are going to change it, it should be part of the consideration.

However, I don't believe it will change anytime soon.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
50. Sports accounts for more suicides than DST
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:14 PM
Mar 2015

Wanna ban sports too? I didn't like losing sleep and time last night either and I'm still here. I'm not a loose cannon.

Silent3

(15,212 posts)
12. If everyone really likes the extra hour in the evening...
Sat Mar 7, 2015, 11:43 PM
Mar 2015

...why play stupid games with the clock at all? Why isn't everything scheduled to start and end an hour earlier?

The only reason for the DST game of switching clocks back and forth is so that fixed schedules -- like, say, the hours of a store being 10AM-9PM, or your job 8AM-5PM -- don't need to change twice per year.

If you don't want the clocks to change, however, and rather than saying 1:00PM is average noon time in the middle of your every time zone, keep noon 12PM and make the store hours 9-8, and the work hours 7-4.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
20. Because we can't tell the sun to stay out an extra hour
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:02 AM
Mar 2015

It won't listen, so we have to do it manually.

Silent3

(15,212 posts)
22. Changing schedules is changing the time "manually" just as much as DST is.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:21 AM
Mar 2015

There is an actual meaning to the idea of "12:00", however, that isn't entirely arbitrary.

Nominally "noon", or 12:00, is when the "mean sun" reaches its highest point in the sky. The "mean sun" isn't a real celestial object, but it's the position of the real sun with its annual variations averaged out.

With time zones, 12:00 in a particular time zone means noon for (typically) the middle of that time zone, such that local mean noon is usually only off by as much as half an hour as you move across the time zone, with maybe some greater deviations allowed to follow convenient geographic or political boundaries.

What we're doing when DST starts up is saying "for the next few months, let's pretend noon is 1:00PM, not 12:00". That's kind of a weird thing, but it makes sense from the standpoint that it gets us an extra hour of sunlight in the evening of the day (that we lose from the morning), without having to change the way schedules for schools and government offices and businesses are stated twice per year.

But if most people, all year round, want more sunlight when they leave work, and don't care as much about how much sunlight they have in the morning, which makes more sense? Pretend that 12:00 never had any connection with the idea of noon, or change our actually schedules once, get it over with, and declare that we'd rather come into work an hour earlier and go home an hour earlier?

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
47. I just want it to stay light out as late as possible in the Summer
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:09 PM
Mar 2015

If you could figure out a way for that to happen without changing the time, then I'm all ears.

Silent3

(15,212 posts)
54. My comments are not about people who want extra evening daylight in the summer only
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 02:15 PM
Mar 2015

For that the spring-forward/fall-back DST thing is a reasonably practical solution.

But when people propose shifting to DST forever, "springing ahead and never going back", to me that's absurd, because that would indicate that the fundamental problem is the hours of the day we schedule things for, not the numbers we assign to those hours.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
55. This
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:37 PM
Mar 2015

The problem is that the standard 9-5 job (less common these days) never really made much sense. Three AM hours followed by five PM hours and people complain about not enough evening daylight. I always thought an 8-4 schedule would make more sense. But as I said, fewer people kept regular office hours these days.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. I don't know if I care which one as much as I used to
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 09:20 AM
Mar 2015

As I get older, the reasons I have for wanting DST to be the standard just aren't as important as they used to be. But I still prefer it.

One time or the other is the more important thing.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
53. I don't quite understand
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:21 PM
Mar 2015

Why we have to change at all. Seems rather silly. Since we already spend most of the year on DST, let's just make it year round

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
29. spring forward already?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:01 AM
Mar 2015
whats the date this happens? I just looked it up.. Just happened. Okay I have set my clocks forward. Ah hell, I didn't want to sleep in anyway

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
30. Since I am an early to bed type I prefer DST. The winter darkness in the morning is
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 07:27 AM
Mar 2015

depressing to me. Winter is bad enough with the snow.

I hate feeling like I am getting up in the dead of night...

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
31. Dislike it immensely. Have to feed livestock in morning darkness.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 08:25 AM
Mar 2015

Just when it starts to get light around 5:30 a.m. in March, we are plunged into darkness again until June. For people who don't get out of bed until 7:00 a.m. each day, it is no big deal. For those of you who are young enough to not have been alive prior to DST and believe the summer evening sky is only light because of it, you should know that summer nights are lighter longer anyway.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
33. That reset into darkness only lasts a couple weeks, yes?
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 08:53 AM
Mar 2015

In the wayback I drove ~45 minutes due east to work starting at ~ 6am into the rising sun.

Just about the date that the sun rose early enough to be covered by a visor, time got reset and I had to do another round of sun in the eyes. But because sunrise becomes earlier and earlier it didn't take but a week or so to be back behind the visor.

kaiden

(1,314 posts)
39. It will be a couple of months.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:08 AM
Mar 2015

We only gain two minutes of sunlight a day. We're out at 5:00 in the morning...today it was light at 7:00. We also drive east into Denver each morning...traffic is wretched with the sun rise as you know.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
41. I guess for me, a finger width at arms length seems to be about 5 minutes
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:25 AM
Mar 2015

it only took half a dozen or so finger widths of progression to get the sun to where a visor would again hide it during the time I drove.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
43. We don't do it here in Hawaii.. just have to know that Cal is 3 hrs ahead of us now.. and EC is 6.
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 10:38 AM
Mar 2015

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
46. I remember hearing
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 11:15 AM
Mar 2015

that the switch saved us billions of dollars.

I am still not clear on HOW that savings happens. Using fewer lights?

Conserving energy IS a bit of a priority for me.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
48. I don't want to be woken up with the sun at 5AM
Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:13 PM
Mar 2015

I like to get my sleep and have daylight later in the afternoon.

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