Day 5 visiting Free Republic. ugly...very ugly.

[trumad]

One freeper had the audacity to say that Hillary would be hard to beat.

Big mistake. He was attacked like a piece of red meat in a cage of Pitt Bulls. The pile on was brutal.

Freepers were yelling...what about the emails...what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street....I was like wow...where the fuck are they getting that shit from?

Thanks God for the sanctuary known as Democratic Underground. My refuge...my home.

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

1. Yeah, no shit, you sure wont hear that GARBAGE here, will you

Personally, I was about to give up here, then i realized that is exactly what their goal is...

fuck them, i will NEVER give up or shut up

[MannyGoldstein]

64. The far Left and the far Right are exactly the same!

Not just their views: they are even the same people, am I right?

Regards,

TWM

[Kelvin Mace]

67. Please tell me that was meant as humor

[MannyGoldstein]

73. Just read this thread!

And think a little. It's as plain as the nose on your back!

Regards,

TWM

[Hissyspit]

222. Kelvin!

You must be unfamiliar with Manny.

Yes, he's being facetious.

[Kelvin Mace]

228. It is getting harder these days

and sometimes ya don't feel like slogging through dozens of posts to search for context.

Thanks!

Also, we are VERY tired.

[Hissyspit]

235. I know the feeling.

[Cooley Hurd]

2. Thank you, trumad. You read FR, so we won't have to.

[pintobean]

12. The sacrifices that he makes for DU

[strawberries]

3. don't go over there it will make your head explode

I can't handle it either. However; remember how they made you feel when someone on this site writes something you feel is off the wall.

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. Cool story bro.

Freepers were yelling...what about the emails...what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street

That is an excellent rhetorical tactic, include one factual assertion "what about the emails" along with a bunch of nonsense "what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street" and hope nobody notices that you are engaged in rank bullshit.

[trumad]

7. it was horrible...

Nasty shit over there.

[ismnotwasm]

22. I can't begin to imagine

I hope you have a peaceful day here to recover.

[LongTomH]

66. Take a good, hot shower and a stiff drink!

Good on 'ya, mate, for putting up with their shit, for even a short period. I can't even watch Fox News for more than a minute without my gorge rising.

[LiberalLovinLug]

86. But nothing like you "reported" right?

You didn't address Warren's point.

I won't go there to wade through that hate site's posts, but I've seen plenty of similar sites to know that their main concerns are NOT her ties to Wall Street or her vote on Iraq.

You conflate ONE issue, the freepers latest baseless wolf cry, "emailgate", with concerns that are very real and do reflect on Hillary's priorities going forward off the top of your head just to get a dig in at people that are honestly concerned about those choices.

Please go back there and post about how she makes a terrible choice as President because she backed up Dubya's request to invade Iraq, and then come back and share with us how many new friends you have made there.

This OP is a brutally dishonest false equivalency straw man set up if I've ever seen one.

[trumad]

92. hey no one is stopping you from going there

And making those points. Have at it.

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. Day 5 visiting Democratic Underground. ugly...very ugly.

Let's face it, that is the heading you actually wanted to post, but hid behind some imaginary bizzaro interpretation of your visit, which I am having doubts you even did, where Freepers are angry at Hillary for agreeing with George W on Iraq, and mad that she sides with Republicans on "Just leave Wall Street alone!"

Its a cheap stunt to foment a flame war.

[trumad]

101. cheap stunt?

Cheap stunt?

This is a long investigation that I plan on conducting of the goings on at FR. Lots of hard work...many many hours.

Stay tuned for more.

By the way.... there is an ignore button if you're not up to my expert analysis.

[LiberalLovinLug]

120. Have fun

Yes it is a cheap stunt for reasons I've already explained. As in "talk is cheap". How about some actual quotes from freepers expressing their outrage over her support of the Iraq war, for instance?

Too bad, you won't be invisible to me. The Ignore function is the dumbest option I've ever heard of for a political discussion board. I have never and never will ignore any opinion or point of view, nor do I shy away from defending my positions by hiding behind a self imposed censorship.

Of all people you should understand that, if you are truly voluntarily exposing yourself and listening to such a motley crew.

[trumad]

122. This breaks my heart...

A fellow DUer hurling such accusations.

Sads.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

165. I would stand in the way of a bus for you, trumad.

I hope that makes you feel better.

[frylock]

230. best way to clear up any confusion would be to link to those posts at FR..

you know, the posts where they are concerned over her vote on IWR, and her cozy relationship with Wall St.

[cui bono]

206. Investigation? Where is the evidence then? And where is your "expert analysis" of which you speak?

Perhaps you've spent too much time over there because your "long investigation" and "expert analysis" does not rise to the level of anything you seem to think it does.

I'm so tempted to use that infamous smiley here. I really am.

[Buzz Clik]

50. They do that, though.

They think they're being ironic.

[demwing]

54. Didn't see your post

repeated your main points, almost verbatim. Sry

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6332190

[Warren Stupidity]

78. you had better graphics.

I love posters here who take a giant dump on half of du while posing it as a call for unity.

[demwing]

81. Yeah, especially when they use "facts"

that they supposedly found on the Interwebs...

how hard would it have been to cut and paste the thread?

[cui bono]

207. Now, now... are you criticizing his/her "long investigation" and "expert analysis"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6332917

Shame on you. This OP was hard work! I mean really, it was Day 5's report!!!

[arcane1]

107. There has been a LOT of such dumping lately, too.

[shenmue]

6. Are you sure you don't have cooties?

[Jamastiene]

113. If he went over there, I'm sure he got them.

Unless he wore some kind of repellant to keep them off.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. trumad, you are the wind beneath my wings

[11 Bravo]

59. Wouldn't that make him a bird fart?

HEY, we kid because we love! Consider this old-timer a trumad fan, even when we might disagree.

[George II]

65. No, what you're talking about is a variation on that song, the "wind between my cheeks"....sorry!

[Jamastiene]

115. Did Weird Al cover that song?

[Warren Stupidity]

82. for birds a flying fart is a great thing.

It is turning on the afterburners.

[Leith]

9. The Only Good Thing to Say About That

Is that it gives you a reminder of the stupidity and viciousness of people like that.

[OilemFirchen]

10. Well played, sir.

"Home is where the heard is."

[valerief]

11. You're like our Richard Engel, going into that war zone, that hellhole of insanity.

Don't let your visits become a fetish. You could end up as their POW.

[demwing]

175. Maybe like our Brian Williams?

Sure he was there, but did he see what he said he saw?

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. This schtick is getting tired. n/t

[virgogal]

14. Ditto !

[SMC22307]

21. Yep. How is it different than Cavers obsessing over DUers? (n/t)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. tru is speaking to the confluence of interests, not our obsession with us for them or them for us.

tru is speaking to the confluence of interests and sentiments between some posters on that site and some posters on our site,not our obsession with us for them or them for us.

[SMC22307]

55. It's still caring about what Freepers think.

WTF cares what Freepers think?

[Jamastiene]

116. Freepers don't think.

[freshwest]

211. Heh!

[bluedigger]

75. You being forced to read the OP against your will or something, Grumpy?

[Fantastic Anarchist]

229. Seconded ... n/t

[SidDithers]

15. And the inevitable alert failed once again...

On Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:20 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Day 5 visiting Free Republic. ugly...very ugly.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026331750

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

in his day 4 visiting Free Republic trumad made it clear that he is calling DU Free Republic. The freepers are DUers. He can go in those threads and straighten out the DUers he disagrees with, but it's safer to use innuendos against Duers.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 8, 2015, 01:29 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Dude, I'm tasked with adjudicating this post, not the day 4 report.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I see what you did there, tru. Apparently, so does the alerter and I'm sorry but I have to agree.

Try harder to hide your contempt for Clinton criticism and we'll all get along just fine.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Similarly, alerter, if You think trumad's threads are about DU, go into the thread and straighten him out. Pot, meet kettle.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter...Tumad has been a member since just about day 1 of DU. He is allowed to put up a satire piece.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

DU rec for the thread and the jury result.

And for pissing of all the freepers.

Sid

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. I stand with trumad

[ismnotwasm]

20. Oh my god

epic fail

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. You have been here a while as I have had...

This is hilarious, posters are now using the alert system for proxy wars.

[ismnotwasm]

28. Its out of control crazy that's for sure

[Bobbie Jo]

24. LOL!

Awwww

Keep Trying!

[trumad]

36. Thanks for the Jury results Sid.

Fun read for sure.

[5X]

39. and I thought I was the only one to figure that out. n/t

[Buzz Clik]

48. Remember when DU used to pretend to filter these assholes out?

Not so much any more. There would be just one reason for alerting this thread...

[zappaman]

99. Oh, the impotent ire of the thin-skinned and humorless...

[hrmjustin]

130. Jury got this one right.

[Number23]

142. Funny how some "satire" is allowed here but not others, huh?

I think the alerter and a few others know that they've been hit. And hit hard.

[Bobbie Jo]

203. Apparently, some seem to think

DU has a one schtick limit.

Gotta say...the epic come-apart has been interesting to watch.

[Number23]

204. I know. The massive pile ons and insults. The hastily thrown together OPs which could just say

"Me no LiKE HILlary" and they'd get the same number of recs. The really blatant, poorly thought out and face palming dishonesty and hypocrisy. These people's ungluing is as painful to watch as it is fascinating.

To me, it looks like the epic shrieking of a fringe that will soon realize YET AGAIN that the local Boy Scout troop down the road has more political clout than they do. If Hillary does bow out, which to be honest would not affect me that much if she did, there will be a thousand reasons that played a part before the howls of the libertarian left come into play.

[freshwest]

212. If only brain bleach were safe to use... I'd be doing it.

[SidDithers]

225. trumad has absolutely nailed it in these threads...

Sid

[cui bono]

208. Which freepers did s/he piss off? I didn't see mention of them posting over there...

And for pissing of all the freepers.

Sid

Would love to see that.

[freshwest]

215. Aw, did a creep from Freeperville get its wittle feelings hurt?

[stevenleser]

224. Someone should alert on that so that admins can keep an eye on the two who voted to hide

There was nothing hide-able in the OP and admins should know who votes to hide non-offensive OPs.

[Agschmid]

227. Disagree...

People vote to hide based on this:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

And people can interpret that pretty much any way they want. Yes this OP is satire but I bet a whole group of people who the satire is directed at sure feel that it's hurtful or disruptive. I'm not saying they are "right" but I sure as hell am not saying they need to be on an admin watch list.

Yipes.

[mopinko]

16. off to the showers w you.

then i will tell you why i am voting for rahm.

[freshwest]

213. Now you've stepped in it! Good luck!

Will you still post why?

[mopinko]

220. and ruin the party?

nah. another thread.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. Rim Job's '486 server is still functioning?

[ismnotwasm]

18. Never visit that place

I never want to hear the constant and consistent anti-Democratic bile spewed there.

Thanks for taking one for the team

[freshwest]

216. No kidding. Like NewsHounds: We watch Fox so you don't have to!

http://www.newshounds.us/

I went past the point of being able to hear the voices of those demagogues without needing my brain bleached and my stomach purged.

Check the stories on that page...

[djean111]

23. Oooh! Oooh! I get it! I get it!!! If we criticize Hillary we are JUST LIKE FREEPERS!!!!!!!

OH! And no one else would ever ever think about emails and Wall Street and Iraq, if we bad bad librul DUers had not mentioned that stuff!

[zeemike]

60. I see you have figured it out.

Sounds like the beginning of a new purge...Hillary haters be gone with you. Love her or leave us.

[pintobean]

26. 410, 188, 10,296

I think you're feeding it.

[trumad]

34. Thanks for the kick.

Yum!

[pintobean]

37. Will you quack for us again?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6331695

[trumad]

40. Yum

Keep it coming.

[pintobean]

43. Still getting that bang every morning, I see.

[trumad]

46. Tasty

[ismnotwasm]

53. ...

[JackRiddler]

68. heh.

nicely captured.

[louis-t]

83. Ahhh, Monsieur Creosote.

[steve2470]

27. Thank you for your service!

(he is an Armed Services veteran too!)

[RKP5637]

29. I hope you had a hazmat suit on! n/t

[yuiyoshida]

31. Ya know I Hope you checked..that

you didn't drag any of them back with you..sometimes they cling on to clothing!! Always bring a Lint brush when going there!!

[ismnotwasm]

41. LoL!

[Plucketeer]

42. Lint brush..

or Cootie Brush?

[yuiyoshida]

45. Lint brush...

Just like you use for any or all pet hair... Freepers will shed on you and then multiply!!!

[backscatter712]

32. This is why I don't spend time with the lower life forms.

I have no patience with right-wing tribalistic braying.

[hrmjustin]

33. And we are glad you are here with us trumad. We all value you my friend!

[stonecutter357]

35. K&R!

[hrmjustin]

38. Are they obsessed over DU like the conservative cave is?

[Buzz Clik]

47. There is strong overlap between the con-cave and freeperville

Thing about the cavers -- they are not nearly as informed nor as clever as they think they are. Although, as far as I can tell, they have quit pretending that they welcome (dare) DUers to post there.

Hateful bunch.

[hrmjustin]

52. And now they are on discussionist.

[John Poet]

44. I hope you took about five showers

after leaving Freep Republic.

But... where did they get all the populist rhetoric?
"what about her vote on Iraq"?

Maybe it's ok now for their more libertarian types to speak up about Iraq,
just for the sake of attacking Hillary,
but they sure weren't anywhere to be found in 2002-3...

[demwing]

49. Wait ..wait...Freepers are against her Iraq war vote and her ties to Wall Street?

Last edited Sun Mar 8, 2015, 03:18 PM - Edit history (1)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. No, they hope/ believe useful idiots will try to use those issues to divide the center left vote...

No, they hope/ believe useful idiots will try to use those issues to divide the center left vote and consequently put their ilk in power




Oh, trumad rocks!!!

[demwing]

72. I think you give Freepers too much credit

and Trumad's story sounds...scripted

Now if Trumad were proven correct, I'd gladly apologize. If.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

77. I have met some intelligent conservatives but not on Free Republic.

But they suffer from a flaw in thinking that isn't really unique to any ideology; they only or mostly talk to folks who think like themselves , get their own views shouted back at them, and consequently think everybody thinks like them.

[demwing]

79. Exactly - which is why they'd never

think that her Iraq vote or her Wall Street ties would hurt her in the GE

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. It really is a cesspool of homophobia, nativism, and racism./NT

[frylock]

231. only useful idiots have any concern with Clinton's cozy relationship with Wall St?

you read it here first, folks. Useful idiots.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

232. "Useful idiots , regardless of their ideology, divide the vote which inures to the benefit ...

"Useful idiots , regardless of their ideology, divide the vote which inures to the benefit of their opponents.

BTW, taken somebody's words out of context isn't very nice, frylock, am I right?

[frylock]

233. so best to ignore those issues then, eh?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

234. Math

Hypothetically, if someone votes for a more right wing third party because they don't believe the Republican party is right enough and somebody votes for a more left wing party because they don't believe the Democratic party is left enough they hurt the party closest to them.


They call it math.

[LongTomH]

70. Love that pic!

[treestar]

90. It is believable.

Right wingers always have a way around it. They are plain hypocrites. They will be inconsistent if they need to. Or come up with something lame, like the liberal media lied about her vote or she voted for some other reason. They just know she wants to make all be Muslims. That vote was a sneaky part of her plan

[cwydro]

51. LMAO!

[Luxadvector]

56. Lurking

I've been lurking over on Freerepublic for years. It's both a headspin as well as punch to the gut if you have any faith in humanity. However, it doesn't hurt to watch both sides.

[cilla4progress]

58. You, my friend,

are a brave soul! Thank you for doing our dirty work!

I was afraid this post was going to be about comments from yesterday's Selma 50th anniversary celebration.

[Agnosticsherbet]

61. In Japan they delcare people national treasures.

If DU were a nation, you would qualify.

Thankyou for your service.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. We need to give him an honorific./NT

[George II]

63. You are very brave! I waded into the "freeper" pool about a decade ago....

....and registered because I wanted to counter some idiotic claim (it's so long ago I can't even remember it, but it had to do with bush)

I tried several screen names that hinted at a Democratic or progressive theme, they were rejected. Then I decided to choose one quasi-related to the current president, the screen name that you all see here (FINALLY, after years of insults from "DU"ers because of my screen name, it can be revealed WHY I have this name!!!), and it was accepted.

My posting career as a freeper at Free Republic lasted TWO posts. I didn't even get too contrary, just presented objective facts. I was banned for life!

I never went back. So, again you are one brave person, good luck.

But I retained the screen name just because of my very very brief experience over "there".

[MannyGoldstein]

69. OK. If that's the way you wanna play... nt

[OilemFirchen]

100. I never, ever thought I'd see the day.

The nerve!

[JDPriestly]

71. And then the question arises once again, do we want a president who was so careless in her

work that she voted for the Iraq Resolution?

Do we want a president with ties so close to Wall Street when Wall Street's greed and manipulation of our government nearly destroyed not only the economy of our country but that of the world?

Today, wars are not just fought with guns and planes and submarines. They are fought with money, with financial weapons. I want a president who understands the threats that lurk in our economy and can protect us from them.

I do not want the wife of the president who re-appointed Greenspan. I want a president who will be judicious and careful in appointing those who will pilot our economy.

[MannyGoldstein]

76. You, good woman, ARE A FREEPER!!!

Last edited Sun Mar 8, 2015, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Of course, there'll be a trial before your execution.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. The ideologically rigid left will give the far right the rope they hang us all with.

When we are all hanging from trees don't say DemocratSinceBirth didn't warn you.

[Marr]

157. The ideologically flexible center-right will put the rope around our necks for us. /nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

158. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.Thank you, sir.

Oh, the obligatory trumad rocks.

[Marr]

159. It's called an extended metaphor. /nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

161. It's called borrowing another person's metaphor in lieu of finding one of his or her own.

4/10

[Marr]

166. Aww.

You're trying so hard, too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

168. Just defending my work product.

[JDPriestly]

119. Am I the one they are talking about?

I'm not a FREEPER. I'm 71. I remember Harry Truman, Adlai Stevenson, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, George McGovern and all the good liberals. I read history and am reminded of the work the two Roosevelts did to clean up our government.

And that's the kind of Democrat I am. I believe in clean government. I believe in Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, public schools, high taxes on high incomes, racial equaltiy for all, welfare for struggling mothers and fathers (yes, I do), free pre-school education, fair wages for all working people and not just in the US, and all kinds of programs and initiatives that require us to work together.

I am as far from a Republican as anyone could possibly be. I have children. Like all human children they were born with four skills -- crying, wiggling, sucking and eliminating human waste. They couldn't see. They couldn't walk. They couldn't talk. They were completely dependent on me and their father and the good doctors and nurses in the hospitals. Anyone who has ever had a baby cannot seriously think that human society can survive, that human babies can survive, in a libertarian paradise or anything close to it.

We humans are social animals. No one of us can make it on his or her own. Any person who thinks he is better than someone else has not taken a good look at him- or herself. We really are equal.. We are born equally helpless. And every bit of self-reliance and every skill we develop, we learn from other people and from our environment.

I am the furtherest thing from a FREEPER that there could be. I am a DEMOCRAT.

Thanks, Manny for giving me the chance to say this and make it very clear.

When Hillary Clinton wrote that "It Takes a Village," she was right on. Unfortunately, she has turned to Wall Street, Walmart, Pete Peterson, etc. for the financial support to buy the election. And, unforunately, her husband signed bill after bill that undermines the ground on which our villages are built. NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, Welfare "Reform," just to name a few. I do not think she should be the Democratic candidate.

If we want more of Walmart, Pete Peterson, if we want less of Medicare, Social Security, if we want low wages compared to the CEO wages, if want more corporate sequestering of profits overseas, if we want more wars, if we want more private and charter schools, if we want a society in which our very youngest and very oldest are on their own, then we can keep going in the direction in which we are headed. And Hillary Clinton, although not the worst, will, not through her will but through acquiescence to the corruption that engulfs her, lead us there.

But I say it is time to pause, to check our moral compasses and decide to follow a path that leads to a better life for us all of humans, starting with all of us Americans -- a life in which, without losing our individuality and individual freedom, we work together to improve the chances for the survival of the human race. That means listening to experts on the environment and making sure that we all benefit from the new, exciting technologies that we are developing. It means forming alliances with others in the world who believe in religious tolerance and freedom of ideas and speech. We need a new voice in the White House with a great deal of courage to forge down this path. We need a president with the ability to use the bully pulpit the president has to improve the world.

Obama has been doing what he could. But to carry his legacy further than he could, we need someone with a really bold, new approach who is not caught up in defending some family or other legacy, someone who dares to challenge Americans to create a more just society.

The Republicans have no candidate. Scott Walker is not very bright. He can't think for himself (that's why he depends so much on ALEC), and it shows when he has to think on his feet. Jeb Bush is another defender of a family legacy and a loser to boot -- utterly boring as was Mitt Romney. Rand Paul is an immature whiner. You can hear it in his voice. And no, that isn't his southern accent. That is the sound of the baby crying inside of him.

This is the time for Democrats to pick the best candidate possible. The time to tear down the weak slate the Republicans are offering will come later.

We need to allow more Democrats to put their hats in the ring. If Hillary wins in a contested race, she will be the stronger for it. But to hand her the nomination without testing her against other candidates is a big mistake. And I personally, for the many reasons I have stated on DU, do not want her in the White House. Two terms for the Clintons was enough. Three terms for the Bushes was far, far, far too much.

[Fla Dem]

88. Please tell me who that perfect candidate is so I can work for their victory and keep Repblicans

out of the White House. A Republican President who will appoint RW conservative Supreme Court Justices, who will sign legislation that will further handicap middle America, and will FOR SURE work for the Wall Street thieves and who on some trumped up charges rush us into combat in a Middle Eastern Country, and who will bend to Netanyahu's demand that we not negotiate with hostile countries. Please, Please Please tell me who in God's name who that will be, who will, without a doubt in Hell win the Presidency in 2016 for the Democratic Party.

I will cast my last dying vote for HRC to keep a Marco Rubio, or a Scott Walker or a Jeb Bush out of the White House. And everyone that calls themselve a liberal/progressive should do the same if HRC is the candidate.

[demwing]

93. All good reasons to vote ANY Dem, not merely Hillary

You'r pretending the populist left is calling for the "perfect" candidate, but we're not.

You know we're not. That's a tired old canard, presented to justify an endless stream of blue dog candidates.

We're not calling for the perfect candidate--just the people's candidate.

[JDPriestly]

108. Thanks. Someone who is not wedded to Wall Street and the corporate elite.

I do not want any of Pete Peterson's anti-Social-Security friends in the White House. That means no Clintons.

[Fla Dem]

139. Well then you're probably going to end up with a Bush. nt

[Fla Dem]

136. Fine, and I will support the "people's" candidate whomever that may be if they have a chance

of winning the White House. I'm just asking the anti-Hillary crowd who that person is. All I see is criticism of HRC, I don't see anyone putting forth a candidate that will not only win the primary, but the general election as well. I'm enthralled with Elizabeth Warren, but she's not running. I've always admired Bernie Sanders, but I doubt he could win the primary, let alone the general. Same with Joe Biden; I love Joe, but can he win? I don't know enough about Jim Webb, or Martin O'Malley at this point. But if any of them win the primary, I'll support them 100%. In the meantime, noone has even announced and yet we have all this demonizing of Hillary which serves no purpose except to alienate other Democrats and give fuel to the RW.

[demwing]

170. You have no real idea of who has a chance, or who is really running

I already made a similar point with another poster, here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251398229#post75

[Fla Dem]

205. No I don't, and neither does anyone else, which is my point.

Until we do, what is the point of demonizing a potential candidate? In the meantime, I'll just whistle a happy tune until the "people's" candidate is annointed.

[JDPriestly]

106. Elizabeth Warren is the perfect candidate in my estimation.

We need to draft her.

[Fla Dem]

137. Great, let me know when you are successful in your efforts. nt

[AgingAmerican]

74. "what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street"

Um, freepers agree with her on those issues.

Er, um.....nice try.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

87. Kinda like touring a Hazardous Waste Site devoted to sewage.

Racists, misogynists, xenophobes, homophobes, ultra-nationalists, idiots, sociopaths, and other assorted misfits gibbering at each other.

[treestar]

89. Shouldn't freepers be happy with

Her Iraq vote? Hypocrites as always

[Douglas Carpenter]

91. now that it is settled and the primaries are over there no excuse for making up lies about Hillary

voting for the Iraq War Amendment or making wild claims that she has any ties to Wall Street whatsoever. Anyone who suggest that our nominee who won it fair and square, Hillary is beatable is nothing but a Freeper troll.

[demwing]

94. What he said ^^^ /nt

[Jim Lane]

95. I also check in at FR and I see NOTHING like what you claim to have seen.

At first I thought the alert on your post was ridiculous. Having done some research, however, I agree with the alert.

I read or skimmed several FR threads about Clinton, and did what I could using their primitive search capability. Your statement:

Freepers were yelling...what about the emails...what about her vote on Iraq....what about her close ties to Wall Street....

is, as far as I can tell, two-thirds false.

They're certainly obsessing over the email thing. There was thread after thread after thread about it.

I saw absolutely nothing about Iraq. That assertion doesn't even pass the smell test. Why would the Freepers criticize her Iraq vote, which I'm sure they all agreed with?

As for Wall Street, I saw no criticism of her "ties to Wall Street" as indicating that she's too conservative. (To the contrary, the Freepers still consider her a socialist or a Communist.) There were some threads castigating Wall Street for its ties to Clinton. For example, in this thread on FR, from last April, there was discussion of this article in Politico, which stated:

The darkest secret in the big money world of the Republican coastal elite is that the most palatable alternative to a nominee such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky would be Clinton, a familiar face on Wall Street following her tenure as a New York senator with relatively moderate views on taxation and financial regulation.

“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”

The Freeper who started the thread commented, "And we think we always have to help Wall Street because they are on our side They Are not." This thread, almost a year old, doesn't support your assertion.

There was also this entertaining thread from November, based on this article in the New York Post, contending that unnamed "Clinton campaign strategists" were reaching out to their "Wall Street allies" to get covert funding for a third-party conservative run by the likes of Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, or Herman Cain. So, yes, there's a two-month-old reference to her "Wall Street allies" (and she undeniably has Wall Street allies), but nothing current and not in the context you imply -- an assertion that her "Wall Street ties" are an argument against her being a good President.

If you'd actually looked at the numerous threads about the email controversy, you would have seen Freepers taking the occasion to dredge up some of their old favorites, like the Rose Law Firm and removal of White House property when Bill left office and, of course, Benghazi. As to threads in which they make ideological arguments similar to those of Clinton's progressive critics on DU, however, I think you're reporting what you wanted to see rather than what's actually there.

[trumad]

104. yah must have missed it....

Keep reading...

[arcane1]

110. Thanks for posting links to back up your claims. At least we know your post isn't made-up bullshit.

[trumad]

111. won't post the links ...

Vile horrible stuff. Would never do that to my DU friends.

[arcane1]

112. Of course you won't. They don't exist.

[Jim Lane]

123. Then PM me the links and I'll be happy to check them out.

I absolve you in advance. In fact, since your advice to me in another post was to keep reading, your sending me the links will mean that I spend less time reading FR than if I were to continue searching.

Until then: I've made reasonable efforts to ascertain the truth of your allegations. All the evidence I've gathered supports the conclusion that your post is largely false.

It's conceivable that if I devoted the rest of today to reading FR, I might find that you were right. It's also conceivable that if I spent a month bushwacking through the California back country, I'd spot Bigfoot. As it is, however, my opinion is that Bigfoot doesn't exist.

[trumad]

126. Heart breaking...just heart breaking.

[MannyGoldstein]

128. Reality is a cruel mistress.

Hey! How come I'm not mentioned by initials in this OP?

[trumad]

132. Like I said Manny. .

It ain't allike about you.

Sorry

[MannyGoldstein]

134. Oh now you're disagreeing with my mother!

Where will it all end?

[blackspade]

180. Thank you.

This demolishes the original OP.

[ND-Dem]

188. +100

[cui bono]

209. Now THAT'S what I call "investigation" and "expert analysis".

Thank you for taking the time to prove the OP is full of it. S/he is still refusing to provide the evidence even though s/he claims to be doing a "long investigation" full of "expert analysis".

What a joke. Sad that this sort of bs was left standing.

[Capt. Obvious]

221. I'm shocked

The OP lied?

*picks jaw up off floor*

[BillZBubb]

97. I can't believe how many people here took your post literally

That is kind of sad actually.

[SMC22307]

167. Not everyone is familiar with the OP's "work."

But I'm gathering that many consider him an ass, and an even bigger one by comparing Hillary-critical DUers to Freepers. Which I'm guessing he's reveling in.

Not all of us know the "history" of certain DUers -- the little turf wars -- so it's probably best just to sit back and watch. Or better yet, to ignore personalities and discuss issues. What a novel idea!

[uppityperson]

201. I've been seeing these pop up the last couple days, this is the first one I opened

I was wondering wtf he was doing, but reading the OP's he's posted, it makes more sense. Good satire is when you are not sure if it is satire or not.

[Jim Lane]

214. It's a commentary on how OTT some of the Clinton supporters have been.

Stating or implying that Clinton's progressive critics on DU are actually Republican trolls has been all too common.

Perhaps the OP is a double-reverse jujitsu intended to shame the Clinton supporters into being more reasonable in how they disagree with other DUers. If so, I predict that it will fail.

[daredtowork]

98. Doesn't that suggest

that Republicans are trying to egg Democrats on to nominate Hillary because they know she WILL be easy to beat in a general election?

[trumad]

102. perhaps .

I'll report any info I can glean in the coming days.

[Orsino]

103. That's why the place is safely ignored.

If they'd been awake and sane for the last few elections, they would at least acknowledge that, yes, Clinton will be hard to beat. Or perhaps they just fear hard work.

[madokie]

105. You are tough as boot leather no doubt

probably smell like an old boot too about now. Kid'n

[Spazito]

109. This thread is all kinds of awesome!

Love it, love it, love it.

[Bobbie Jo]

117. Innit?

[Spazito]

121. I love the Venus Flytrap plants, they are awesome!

Almost as awesome as this thread!

[pintobean]

124. Say what?

[Spazito]

125. Huh?

[greatauntoftriplets]

127. It certainly is!

[zappaman]

129. It really is a thing of beauty.

[Number23]

144. You know, normally I wouldn't think this kind of thing was helpful. But Skinner and the other admins

have been notoriously slow and reluctant to get rid of really blatant trolls that do absolutely nothing but salivate as they conjure up boring and predictable new ways to further divide this web site. The admins love the drama, keeps the ads coming.

So if they aren't going to do anything about some really, REALLY obvious problems, then I guess threads like this will continue. And I guess I'm okay with that to a point.

[Spazito]

146. No argument from me...

I don't disagree with anything in your post at all.

[spanone]

114. i'd suggest a bleach and ajax scrubbing and two hours of a scalding hot shower.

[leftofcool]

118. Trumad the True! I stand with you!

[Rex]

131. WOW! Interesting thread! I wonder why some are so pissed off at you!

Strange thread to get mad about...

[m-lekktor]

133. you don't understand why people would get mad when he implies

DU Hillary critics are the same as freepers?

[Rex]

135. No I do.

Thought I would play the same game as the OP.

[pintobean]

141. Uh huh

[Rex]

145. Well if it isn't the gatekeeper!

Gotten any posts hidden lately?

[pintobean]

147. You have twice as many as I do.

[Rex]

148. Yes but I've never been in Timeout, what was that like?

In your own words.

[pintobean]

149. Stepped in it, huh?

Moving the goal post is always a good diversion.

[Rex]

150. Nothing?

Just your usual I see.

[pintobean]

152. Ask your friends.

Many of them have been in time out a lot more than me. You can PM any of them that are in time out now.

[Rex]

153. He shoots and he misses!

I'm sorry nobody else will play with you, I am bored so let's have some fun.

EDIT - PB!? You ran off! Was it something I said, I apologize. Many people will probably play with you, that was wrong and cruel and I apologize.

We can play hopscotch.

[malaise]

138. You're having way too much fun

[hrmjustin]

140. edited to say I rightly got called out on my post.

Last edited Mon Mar 9, 2015, 01:04 AM - Edit history (1)

[Rex]

186. True why would people get worked up at being called freepers!?

They should just support HRC and stfu.

[hrmjustin]

187. I don't think that is what he really means.

I think the point is that some here have gone a bit too far in their hate for Hillary.

Now I would not have gone this route but it certainly makes a point.

[Rex]

189. I do.

I have no doubt that is exactly what he means. I'm just surprised by who it is. Guess everyone sells out eventually.

[hrmjustin]

191. Selling out?

[Rex]

193. Yeah going for the cheapshot.

When one can no longer argue sensibly. They have to 'go there'.

[hrmjustin]

196. I think he is doing it on purpose to mock others who he feels are attacking Hillary to the point

he feels is out of bounds.

I think he knew that he would get pushback as is fair.

[Rex]

199. I think he just wanted to call out someone but doesn't have the guts to do it.

So he smears half of DU instead.

[hrmjustin]

202. Well it certainly looks like he is having a moment.

[MannyGoldstein]

192. !!!

[Rex]

195. Oh GOSH did I type that out loud!?

[Joe Turner]

143. Here's a thought

Maybe Hillary is just a bad candidate. That freepers rail against Hillary on the very things freepers are for only shows their rabid partisan hate for the Clintons. If you like the status quo Hillary fits in well with most of the republican fold.

[zappaman]

151. I look forward to hearing about day 6!

[BubbaFett]

154. what a hot pile of shit nasty this vile little thread is

oy

[geek tragedy]

155. As opposed to the people promoting rightwing racist blogs

because those blogs attack Hillary Clinton.

[R B Garr]

163. Exactly. You would think they would be attacking Jeb Bush

for what his brother did instead of Hillary, but.........no.

Weird.

[freshwest]

217. Oh no, that would be their SOP. I think they didn't vote in 2012 from DU threads posted then.

Romney wasn't conservative enough or wasn't Christian enough or some such foolery. They were holding out for Palin, who is their patron saint after she anointed RimJob. And Bush was too liberal for them, too, IIRC. They live in an exceedingly ugly mindscape.

[trumad]

160. yep

[BubbaFett]

173. both/and is a thing

just like either/or

[Marr]

156. Hillary's fans are, once again, not doing her any favors.

This post, and the cheers for it, remind me of a bunch of mean junior high school kids.

[cyberswede]

162. Disruptive meta is what it is

...regardless of "sides." Divisive as hell.

[trumad]

169. Yeah---I know what you mean...

The hundreds of anti-Hillary posts are quite divisive.... thanks for pointing that out.

[cyberswede]

182. People posting their opinions is what discussion boards are for.

Your OP is obviously about DUers, not debate.

[trumad]

185. That made absolutely no sense.

[cyberswede]

190. I'll try again...

Some people support Hillary.
Some people don't support Hillary.

When people post about why they do or do not support her, and other people reply, that's a discussion. Debate is healthy.

Your OP is a divisive meta thread about DUers. Don't worry - the hosts obviously don't agree, so carry on.

[BubbaFett]

176. Yep

shit like this makes DU suck.

[hrmjustin]

164. One could say the same for some Warren and Sander fans here.

[Marr]

172. For some, perhaps.

I won't deny that plenty of snark is launched in both directions, but I have to say that Hillary's big fans on DU have a distinctive tone in their posts. They're heavy on insults and flat-out dishonest attacks, and light on arguments. Not all of them to be sure-- but broadly speaking, I think this is the characteristic that shines through.

I mean honestly-- the OP here begins with 'Hillary emails', which I've no doubt Freepers are up in arms over, but then he shuffles in her support for the IWR and Wall Street funding. I have a very hard time believing that either of those issues are major issues at Free Republic.

[hrmjustin]

177. I think we could go on and on who is more divisive.

I have been called plenty of things here for supporting Hillary.

I don't think that some Sanders and Warren supporters here have done their candidates a service either.

[Marr]

179. You're probably right. /nt

[hrmjustin]

181. This is not to say I don't have my moments.

Or other fellow Hillary supporters.

[Marr]

183. Oh, I do, too.

I try to be measured, but I do sometimes get a little pissy.

[hrmjustin]

184. Just think 22 months till the next Inauguration.

[R B Garr]

178. Seriously?? G.W. Bush was President during the IWR and the ecomonic

meltdown. What better way to toss attention from G.W. Bush than to drag Hillary into it and let Jeb off the hook. Jeb Bush must be thrilled at these tactics. It's very strange.

[cui bono]

210. What? As if they are going to be against the fact that someone supported their war.

And why would they oppose her ties to Wall Street? It doesn't take Jeb off any hook. What hook is he on to begin with regarding the IWR? He didn't vote one way or another.

Of course there is no evidence that freepers are saying any such thing about HRC at all. None. Zip. Nada. It's a made up fantasy so that Trumad can call half of DUers freepers as was proven above by someone who actually did visit freeperville.

[BubbaFett]

174. Mean girls

and "Kool Kidz"

[betsuni]

171. This is fun.

I'm starting some extensive spring cleaning of my home today and this thread puts me in the mood.

[MannyGoldstein]

194. See? You bring a knife, we bring JDPriestly.

We look forward to day 6.

Regards,

First-Way Manny

[trumad]

197. Night Manny.

Sleep tight.

[Rex]

198. He was batting a thousand until day 5.

HRC dropped like a rock in GD. I am kinda surprised, the email issue dropped and not much on the radar for her in GD. You think day 6 will revive that division...you know that they declare must stop in GD?

It's almost like pretzel logic hooked up with big money and now they have a baby!

[R B Garr]

200. "We"

Jeb Bush for President thanks you.

[Warren DeMontague]

218. Why, I'd almost think you were surreptitiously trying to make some other point with this OP

However, it is so finely- so elegantly crafted, I just can't see what it is!

[eridani]

219. Fake OP. Quite a few posts about emails

Not a word about Clinton's war vote or relationships with Wall Street.

[patricia92243]

223. You forgot your sarcasm thingy.

[ChazII]

226. Right Nation, gross but not as bad as Free Republic in

my opinion. Has anyone else visited that sight just to read the opposing view point?