James Carville Goes Scorched Earth on MSNBC Over Hillary E-mails

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Andrea: "..Isn't this a distraction that she does not need and that the Democrats are very concerned about?.."


James: "...First of all, there's always going to be a distraction in Clintonland......there never is a time when its not...."

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[monmouth4]

1. I really tried to get through this but her condescending manner was too much..Cannot stand her..n/t

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2. Andrea trying to go toe to head with James...

[Vinca]

6. Mrs. Greenspan was especially annoying today.

[Enthusiast]

18. She tried very hard to stick to her Republican script.

James wasn't having it.

[Fred Sanders]

25. The "hate Obama and Clinton" script the media prostitutes are handed daily is boringly predictable.

[AgingAmerican]

53. Yeah she was

And he was calling her out on it.

[Buzz Clik]

44. It's a new DU. A comment like that in the past would have sent you on vacation.

[Vinca]

46. Why? What I said wasn't offensive.

[tblue37]

49. His response was to Enthusiast, not you, because he mistook Enthusiast's

post, which was aimed at Andrea, to be a slam against Hillary.

[cui bono]

58. Are you sure? I found the comment to be rather sexist in that s/he called

Andrea Mitchell Mrs. Greenspan. That's belittling her and treating her as if she's not her own person.

[tblue37]

60. When they call her Mrs. Greenspan, I think they are just making the point--*emphasizing* the point--

that rather than being an independent watchdog, as we wish our journalists would be, she is deeply attached to the big money interests and will carry water for them.

ON EDIT: I believe the post he was responding to was the post that said "she" was trying to stick to her Republican talking points. That "she" was ambiguous if one didn't carefully associated it with the most recent female name, since Hillary had been mentioned not that much earlier. It was intended to refer to Andrea Mitchell, but I think it was misinterpreted as referring to Hillary. The statement that Hillary is really a Republican in all but name has become quite common here on DU, and I think the post was pointing out that such comments about a Democratic icon would have been slapped down hard on previous DU incarnations.

[cui bono]

62. I know, but I still think it's sexist and demeaning to do that. n/t

[Vinca]

64. Baloney. I was burning bras before you were born.

I'm attaching her to her husband because he seems to be a giant influence on her right wing reporting.

[MADem]

71. I took your point--anyone paying attention to the conversation should have, also.

Sometimes people just like to create controversy even when there's no need. Who here really doesn't know what the "Mrs. Greenspan" schtick is all about?

If you really wanted to be snarky, you could toss off the old Let Me Google That For You...and when ya google "Mrs Greenspan" why, look what appears!!!

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Mrs+Greenspan


The term is not obscure, it's not "because she's a woman" (if she was Andy Mitchell, married to Elena Greenspan, both having the same careers, "Andy" would probably be called MISTER Greenspan), it's because she was a relatively obscure (in the big scheme of things) journalist who married an older and powerful government official and saw her career take off (a bit, anyway) as a consequence.

Barbara Walters (another GOP - friendly journalist) dated Greenspan for quite a while...she threw him back.

[Vinca]

73. Thanks . . . I'm afraid some on this site are tender flowers and don't appreciate sarcasm.

Sexist would be: "Mrs. Greenspan ought to get back to the kitchen and rustle up some eggs for old Alan" or something like that. I'm certainly not demeaning her accomplishments, but I am questioning her fixation with Hillary email when 47 GOP senators are joining ranks with the mullahs.

[MADem]

75. Or nuance, either--that's not your fault, though!

What's doubly hilarious about the treasonous 47 is that the mullahs won't have them!!

What's up with the GOP fixation on that number, anyway? Wasn't it Mitt Romney who was crabbing about the 47 percent?



Gawd, they are so ... pathetic!!!

[tblue37]

48. He meant Andrea, not Hillary! nt

[cui bono]

56. Last I heard her name was Andrea Mitchell.

Did she change her last name? It's one thing to point out who she's married to but calling her Mrs. Greenspan is belittling and sexist imo.

[roguevalley]

12. carville and begala ... what a couple of nozzles. IMHO

[Mnpaul]

50. along with.........

Lanny Davis, Al From, Bob Schrum, Harold Ford and on and on

one thing they are good at is getting it wrong. This bunch are the poster boys for what is wrong with the Democratic Party.

I remember Carville with egg on his face(self inflicted) after he totally got it wrong on MTP.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. He made a point that the media allowed the right wing to lead us into a disastrous war.

i hope we can all agree with that.

[monmouth4]

11. Andrea definitely did not want to go there. She tried to shut him down but to no avail..lol..n/t

[rhett o rick]

31. I will agree that the war was disastrous, the GOP led the band, the media was

complicit, and some key Democrats were also complicit. All those responsible should be held accountable.

[MFM008]

4. hahahahaha

I agree with him.

[Kingofalldems]

5. I hope Carville's message gets through to DU.

[Robbins]

7. Look

I am not her fan at all but i think the emails is just a bunch of BS.It wasn't illegal at time she was secretary of state to use private email.Americans have more to worry about than email.

[NaturalHigh]

8. Carville is a great guy to have on your side.

He's half crazy but in a good sort of way. I love the guy even when I disagree with him.

[Demoiselle]

30. Yes. What NaturalHigh says…..

[sendero]

72. I agree...

.... at least he doesn't roll over and play dead like most Democratic spokesmen. If we had 10 more of him, we might get somewhere. And of course I say this as a NOT HRC fan. Still, if I were running for office Id' want this guy on my side.

His $%^&$ wife notwithstanding.

[Rex]

9. Ha! I don't have to read anything...I just have to look at who he is talking to.

Long ago, in a galaxy far far away...Andrea Mitchell made sense and was somewhat moderate. Then she married Alan Greenspan or got replaced by a clone.

Take your pick.

[ND-Dem]

27. i don't remember that she ever made sense.

[spanone]

10. james is right on that account.

[SoapBox]

13. I cannot stand her.

...haven't actually watched MSNBC for a couple years...just couldn't take it.

[immoderate]

14. No business like show business...

It might be that Carville fed those questions to Andrea. Alternatively, it may play to parallel emergent behaviors. Still, as he admits, he is the warrior of choice to answer the questions. And there will always be questions. It's an industry!

Remember that pundits and polemicists have a symbiotic arrangement. Carville got to score a lot of points, but this is just another pile of Benghazi! (I think that James and Andrea know each other well. I think her tone is a signal of that.)

I think we're witnessing the death throes of a moribund party. But that's another story.

--imm

[mulsh]

15. Anyone else hear the fear creep into her voice as Carville bats away the rethug talking points she's

paid to spread? Well done Mr. Carville. The Mitchell/Greenspan house is going to be upset and unruly tonight. I sure hope her failure here doesn't jeopardize any of the post position graft hubby has most likely been hoovering up.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

16. Goddamn Carville's a hoot.

"Cockamamie goofy stuff." He wanted to say "BULLSHIT" so bad.

[tosh]

39. "...a reason to get out of breath."

[A-Schwarzenegger]

47. Yeah, that was a good one, too.

And I loved his big grin at the end.
He enjoys the hell out of himself.

[Enthusiast]

17. But Alan Greenspan's wife has an exalted level of integrity!

She should be ashamed to show her face after the 2008 economic meltdown. That is not to say I am a Hillary fan. But, come on.

[pangaia]

19. I love me some JAMES...

[William769]

20. The times isn't the only one to get their RW trash talking points to use to try to smear Hillary. nt

[raisedcatholicvet]

21. WTF

I need Dick Cheney’s emails and private petrol company meetings deluged.

[dmr]

24. Right, and let's have info on those secretive energy meetings

Cheney should be in jail. I can't stand that crook.

[Raine1967]

22. Carville was correct.

I am so sick of everything a Clinton does becoming a controversy.

Judge her on her record not for something she did that wasn't illegal.

[Hekate]

23. "James.... James...." Sorry, that's just too funny. Increasingly, MSNBC is losing me.

When they ditch Rachel Maddow, I'm done with 'em.

[L0oniX]

26. +1

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

28. He is right, this will NEVER stop...somebody REALLY hates the Clinton family, wonder why

By somebody I mean a whole bunch of somebodies


James is right, again

[DeSwiss]

29. ....

[Cosmic Kitten]

32. +1

Good to know ...

First of all, there's always going to be a distraction in Clintonland......
there never is a time when its not...."

Just what this country needs with a Republican Congress

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37. This will give the republican majority...

....all the more excuses to halt getting the people's business done in exchange for commencing frivolous investigations which will probably last,....err,...at least 3-4 years. Both Clintons going to the WH again will provide republicans with an endless supply of attacks and accusations that will keep Democrats on the 'D' forever.


Question is,...will Thirdway Hillary 'compromise or sellout' Democratic progressive issues just to appease republican threats? Will she join republicans and justify banging the war drums herself once in office?


We've been here before.......the song remains the same.

[SunSeeker]

57. So we should pick someone the GOP likes? WTF?!

Try to think about the meme you're pushing here. The same could have been said of FDR. AND HE WELCOMED THEIR HATRED.

[Cosmic Kitten]

63. FDR represented the Public interests, not the elite

What's with the binary thinking?
Hillary or the GOP wins? wtf?

How about we pick someone who will
defend and speak for the general Public?

If a candidate can rally a majority of voter
under a vision that improves the lives of all
Americans, that's fine by me.
Of course, a republican could never do that.

[SunSeeker]

65. LOL You abandon your "the GOP hates her" meme and now claim she represents them (the "elite").

The only thing consistent about your argument is your obvious hatred of Hillary. You share that with a lot more Republicans than you do Democrats. Dems like Hillary. She represents us.

[Cosmic Kitten]

66. Um, you posting to me?

I don't hold a "the GOP hates her" meme?
They are two sides of the same coin.

Either you have me confused with someone else
or this is a mindless ad hominem attack?

When you say Hillary represents "us"
who do you have in mind?

[SunSeeker]

67. I am commenting on your self-contradictory posts.

I am attacking your arguments, not you. It's an anonymous discussion board. I don't know you. I just know what you post. That is what I am addressing.

Hillary does represent us. By us I mean Dems.

[uponit7771]

33. "but James...but James..." wow Andrea could you be more condescending!?!??!

[BrotherIvan]

34. The one thing I love about a Clinton running is James Carville with a microphone

He's funny as hell and plays dirty and rough. Republicans probably shit themselves whenever he's talking. I don't always agree with him, but damn, he never pulls any punches. At least it's entertaining.

[morningfog]

35. "always a distraction in Clintonland," one reason I am loathe to relive it.

[2naSalit]

36. Ms. Greenspan is such a condescending ...

And James didn't let her have her way. I am glad he's still with us and talking.

MSNBC is such a POS lately. The "new" format online is designed to not let anyone watch the news anymore without "signing in" and I suspect there's some kind of paywall there. I hope Rachel Maddow and Chris Hayes find a different outlet for their reporting. They are good journalists and MSNBC is now trying to silence them.. probably for exposing much of the shit we need to know about. Lately they have had to play the script and I'm thinking that they are quickly getting ready to jump off the sinking rubbish scow ASAP. There was a marked change in their reporting since January and I think I know why. GE is an MIC contractor after all and they own NBC and all its affiliates.

Guess who's happily staying on... Andrea Greenspan.

Thanks for posting this. Since I can't stand Andrea, I never would have seen this.


James Carville...

[cui bono]

59. Her last name is Mitchell. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Why do I have a feeling this thread didn't develop as intended?/NT

[ChisolmTrailDem]

41. Please carefully explain why you have this feeling. Thanks. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Sometimes I prefer to be a human Rorschach test and let folks draw the own conclusions.

I will give you a hint. As I am able to see the biases in myself i can see the biases in others.

[SunSeeker]

54. LOL

[Cosmic Dancer]

40. I love this guy

[Jack Rabbit]

43. Some of you might want to save this: I'll stand up for Hillary Clinton, here and now

James Carville is an occupational liar, just like his wife, but at least some of what he said here sticks.

There's nothing to see here, at least not enough to make a big fuss about, anyway. Hillary Clinton used a private e-mail account for her state department communications. She turned the e-mails over as required. She asked the government to release them so everyone can see what's in them. No harm, no foul. End of story.

Mrs. Clinton did the right thing. She move to get the facts out there. That should leave her critics with nothing to say. Of course, they will continue to make noise, just as Carville said in the above clip, in between the noise he was making.

If Mrs. Clinton's detractors, of which I am one, want to talk about Mrs. Clinton's close ties to Wall Street, her penchant for seeking military solutions, her unfortunate advocacy for "free" trade deals, then let's talk about those. Those are the matters that give me concerns about her fitness to be President. Of course, the Republicans aren't going to make issues out of those things, because they are even worse than Mrs. Clinton on those fronts. That is why I am looking forward to a Presidential contest between Mrs. Clinton and the survivor of the coming Republican train wreck that will be their primary campaign about as much as I am looking forward to coming down with the flu.

As for e-mailgate, it's just another ginned up "scandal."

[JDPriestly]

45. It's unwise and arguably unprofessional for ANYONE to send business e-mails

from a personal account.

She is a lawyer and should know what it would mean if her personal e-mail account data was under subpoena in some frivolous case. Sending business e-mails from a personal account is yet another symptom of a lack of judgment. And that is the problem I have with Hillary -- lack of judgment and because she is in politics, a lack of political instincts.

Carville has been paid a lot of money by the Clintons. Nothing wrong with that, but we have to keep it in mind when we watch him defend her. Further, he is married to a Republican who worked in the George W. Bush administration and was involved in that very war that Carville criticizes as such a terrible error.

On the other hand, Carville is right that this e-mail pseudo-scandal is more about Republican bad will and nastiness than it is about Hillary Clinton.

I want to know where Hillary stands on the TPP, on reinstating Glass-Steagall or a modern equivalent of it, on the Keystone XL Pipeline, on H1-B visas, on Iran and Libya and Syria, on Social Security, on charter schools, on the exportaion of American jobs to third world countries, on our terrible trade deficit, on the gathering of all of our electronic communications by the NSA, New Zealand, Australia, Great Britain and perhaps other countries, on Ukraine and Putin, and on many, many other really important issues of our time.

This e-mail pseudo-scandal is just a way to avoid discussing the real issues of our time. Clinton should not have been so careless, but let's talk about more important things.

[navarth]

68. "This e-mail pseudo-scandal is just a way to avoid discussing the real issues of our time."

Thank you.

[YOHABLO]

51. They are always telling us what ''the Dems'' will have a problem with. Funny, no one asked me.

This why I can not understand why Hillary would want to run. They're never going to let up. Look what they've done to Obama. This breed of Republican are nothing but Criminal Thugs. Andrea Mitchell needs to go.

[lexington filly]

52. Carville is an entertaining, smart, blunt instrument and I wish Dems had

more like him. He doesn't believe in going verbally unarmed into a serious fight and just "Tsk taking." As he said, doesn't matter what Hillary says or does, it won't ever be good enough for the Republicans about emails or anything else. Just as they always, always find fault with every big and small thing Obama does and they never let up, so they did with Hillary and will do with whoever becomes our candidate or a Dem president. I've come to see this as rather freeing up any energy Dems could have spent trying to get Republican cooperation or credit for anything. Since no matter what they'd do they would be bitterly condemned and criticized, they can be free and not give a damn about the Party of NO's reactions other than to stick 'em back down their throats like Carville did.

[steve2470]

70. yep you nailed it

The RW, Republicans and a good part of the media HATE the Clintons. Hillary has to double-check that all her i's are dotted and her t's crossed because of that. I'm sure Ms. Clinton is privately regretting she did things this way.

[SunSeeker]

55. Carville showed Andrea to be the GOP mouthpiece that she is.

Love how Andrea got pissed when he pointed out that it was GOP staffers that fed this story to the NYTimes, just like the Cheney made-up Iraq story that the NYTimes ran with that got us into the Iraq War.

Great video. Thanks for posting.

[McCamy Taylor]

61. I love James Carville. Is he going to work on her campaign?

[UTUSN]

69. What does he ever talk to the mother of his children about?!1 n/t

[steve2470]

74. say what you will about Carville's faults, we need someone like him on the media regularly

1- His facts seemed on target (correct me if I'm wrong).
2- He didn't allow a framing to just sit there unchallenged.
3- He didn't get into a screaming match. Yeah, he got a bit annoyed.
4- He didn't back down.
5- The Republicans do exactly the same kind of thing, so, fire meets fire.

[delrem]

76. The James Carville and Mary Matilin show,

""Everyone's so obsessed with Hillary running in 2016," Matalin told "The Steve Malzberg Show" on Newsmax TV.
"I hope she does — because we'll beat her soundly!''

And dreams continue to come true for the James and Mary political clown show.

[Jamastiene]

77. I hope he at least gave her a headache back.

Did she have to be so rude? If she had given him time to answer after asking the question, this wouldn't have been so hard to watch. The idea is to ask the question then let the person answer. Her rude interruptions gave me a headache. You have to listen closely to James Carville when he is talking or you will miss a lot. With her interrupting and trying to talk over him so much, I couldn't even hear half of what he said.