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'Cowardly' revenge porn site operator breaks down in tears as he is sentenced to 18 YEARS for publishing thousands of nude photos online and charging women $350 EACH to remove them
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In_The_Wind
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Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In_The_Wind
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LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)
hatrack
(64,212 posts)It's a simple combo:
Apples
Cabbage
Sauerkraut
Beans
According to his experience, it could clear out a full break room full of firefighters.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I like to slice it into six sections, fry some bacon then throw it in with the pot-licker.
If you don't toot after eating it, something is wrong with your bowels. On the other hand, it's healthy toots, since the average person toots at least 14 times a day, so we all do it to one degree to another.
As a person that also typically makes a pot of Red Beans and Rice about twice a month, I'm already aware of this phenomenon.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Ripping a corrugated cardboard box apart. "The Big Beat sound" (Ice T.)
yuiyoshida
(44,943 posts)with Tempura batter! Oishiii ne! Yummy.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)I like sushi, but tempura gets my $ every time. When I have to choose only one, that is....
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but I can't figure out how to get tempura batter to fry as deliciously and lightly as it does in my favorite restaurants (that I no longer can visit because they are several hundred miles away).
Onion, mushroom, cauliflower, broccoli ... so delicious in a good fried tempura shell, then dunked into the sauce!
Demeter
(85,373 posts)even with authentic Japanese batter mixes...I don't think the Fry Baby gets hot enough...
yuiyoshida
(44,943 posts)ON youtube. I have seen it before.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)Thanks for the video!
kristopher
(29,798 posts)If you don't, give it a try and see if it helps.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)- the kind used in mixed drinks, and NOT quinine tonic - is the trick.
Beer seems to add a fluffiness and crispiness to homemade fish 'n' chips batter.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Tempura fried broccoli, carrots and squash are the most delicious treat on the planet!
And the mushrooms!!!!!
I can't get it in my area, and have had trouble even finding a decent recipe to make the lush quality of melt in your mouth crackle that tempura is exemplified by.
yuiyoshida
(44,943 posts)I could eat this stuff every day if I could afford to..
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)It was too short.
brewens
(15,359 posts)visits!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)corned beef and cabbage. Can't say my back has ever cracked but I'm sure I've scared the cat a time or two.
2naSalit
(99,863 posts)
Now that made me laugh really hard and made my back crack!!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)unless you're a member of Congress.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(132,590 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
Lochloosa
(16,667 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)An 18 year prison sentence is fucking draconian. Rapists and murderers don't serve that much time.
Please explain to me how locking this guy up for a decade before his first parole hearing serves society?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)18 years is ludicrous.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Incorrigible and unapologetic, lock him up and throw away the key. I have no problem with this. Society should be protected.
But other than that, how is society made safe by locking this guy up, at enormous costs, for a decade? Removing him from the labor pool for a decade? Rendering him literally broken and unemployable upon his release?
Here in America, you can face a prison sentence for almost any infraction. Can we not put our minds together and figure out some better way to provide justice to the victims and punishment to the convicted besides warehousing them?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)In his bank account. Make him write checks for the rest of his life.
Warehousing him isn't the answer.
REP
(21,691 posts)I'd rather take his freedom than his money.
that concept works well with the banksters. Just make them write checks for destroying the economy. Maybe a murders can write checks, if they can afford it to stay out of jail.
No.no.no.
his assets should be seized and put in a victim compensation fund. His ass needs to be in jail for the damage he inflicted on THOUSANDS of people.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Further, I say leave him in prison until he can prove that no one is in possession of those pictures except the people expressly permitted to possess them.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)Agreed.
Let the SOB out the second that it can be proven that no one is in possession of the material. And not one second before!
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)working at that point. And just the same he can just run off to another country and/or change his identity.
He needs to serve serious time. 18 years might be a bit much, but I'd say he needs 3 years absolute minimum (actual time, not early release/parole).
gollygee
(22,336 posts)He hurts people as his way of earning money. Why don't you think he wouldn't hurt more people if he had to make more money? He hurt thousands of people. How many people does he have to hurt before he goes to jail, for the safety of society?
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)They are less expensive to warehouse.
I agree EL34x4. It isn't that I have sympathy for this offender. I don't. I also don't think society is well served by this sentence, nor are we looking to rehabilitate him. A long probation and restitution+ would serve his victims and society at large better, and we've seen those sentences for crimes at least as egregious.
But hey, he'll be well punished.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)"I want to blackmail thousands of women for profit, but I might get a slap on the wrist. If I get caught, I'll get a stern lecture from a judge!"
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and those sentences were added up, yeah they would.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Someone could do the math- find out how many women he preyed upon by putting their nude photos online and how many months per woman 18 years is. If the number of women is one thousand...
cwydro
(51,308 posts)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Basically, we're talking less than a week in jail per woman if there were 1k women he extorted.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He extorted money from those women who never signed a release for their photos to be used for his profit making enterprise. There were many victims. The sentence is fine with me. They lock guys up for way longer just for selling drugs. I care more about the average meth dealer than a extortionist sex crimer.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)18-year-olds in Houston routinely get 24-year sentences for being in a car that had "intent-worthy" amounts of weed in it.
tblue37
(68,128 posts)gone. The internet is forever.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hate stuff like that. It will keep popping up forever.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)The tears of the victims did not sway him, why should his sway us? He is a sexual deviant. I don't want him getting out. He was crying for himself, not his victims.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
LittleGirl
(8,944 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)
Hekate
(100,132 posts)
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)I think you may be on to something.
Dry the tears out. Dip the rim of a shot glass in the salt. Add tequila. 
drink up.
Screw him. He hurt too many. I have mo sympathy.
And this is the type of person that will do it again, given the chance.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)He's crying for himself alone, and sorry, that doesn't count.
And that was some excellent wordsmithing there, bravenak!
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)He only cried when it was for himself. People like him never feel for anyone else, only themselves. He did the crime. Let him do the time.
steve2470
(37,481 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Of people against their will.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Extortion is a serious felony, as is blackmail. Using nude photos doesn't diminish the crimes.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He got the book thrown at him for the extortion/blackmail aspects of his racket.
dolphinsandtuna
(231 posts)destroying lives is worse. Those women will never be whole again emotionally. Even if they are strong enough to mostly recover, those photos of them will always be out there. Twenty years from now, they and their loved ones and neighbors will be getting them in email.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Drugs or sumthin.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)in crying over it. 
I'm laughing at the prick. 
REP
(21,691 posts)Not cry for extortionists who get appropriate sentences.
Bingo.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)No, really, keep it up.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)The logic being more prosecutions would succeed if Life was taken off the table.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)perhaps rapists and murders should spend more than 18 years, but he should definitely not serve less time. There were thousands of victims. Some of the photos were hacked. There were attempted suicides, loss of jobs with the inability to get another in the profession because these photos were published. One victim was disowned by her family.
Often personal information of the victim was also published with the photo. The harassment/death threats alone cause women to flee their homes for their own safety. Some women are still getting harassed and followed.
He earned 30,000 a month from the victims that could pay to have their photos taken down.
In an interview not too long ago he had the audacity to say, "the website ruined his life"
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)gotta have our priorities and know our place
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)The sad part is, he might not be looking at a jail term if he had not extorted money to remove the pics. That is where his legal problems stem from.
Eh, so what if hacked and stolen pictures of women were published on the WWW, along with their personal info. It is the extortion that brought him down.
Jamastiene
(38,206 posts)If he had extorted men and ruined their lives, no one would be claiming this is some draconian sentence.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Thank you. 
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,371 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But what this guy did was far worse. Providing the names and addresses puts these womens' lives in danger.
I've been stalked before and you never really feel safe, even after moving.
thesquanderer
(12,899 posts)(plus $900 a month in ad revenue, for about 10 months)
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)Bollaert earned about $900 a month in website ad revenue and collected about $30,000 from victims.
See I understood this to mean that this was his monthly take for both. It does not say he earned $30,000 in total.
Tree-Hugger
(3,379 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)The next asshole who thinks about doing this will think a little harder if the price is so high.
I'm ok with the sentence, but then I have a daughter.
Warpy
(114,375 posts)Not only is there going to be a lifetime of slut shaming, some of those women lost jobs because this guy found a way to publish cheap porn from ex lovers who wanted revenge. Somebody sees a nude picture of a woman he works with on the web, that woman's work life is trashed, especially in this case where they were identified by name and location.
The fact that rapists and murderers are let out too soon has no bearing on this asshole's sentence. Likely he'll be free sooner than ten years. Let's hope he's older, wiser, and maybe even less vicious toward women, although the latter is unlikely for this worthless piece of shit.
Also realize his sentence was for extortion, he was actively blackmailing every woman whose picture he published by charging an exorbitant fee to remove the picture.
Maybe locking this little punk up doesn't do anything for men's safety. It does do a little toward protecting the half of this country made up of women.
And shame on any man who doesn't get that.
tblue37
(68,128 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)...in the very early years of his 'business'.
I don't believe in an afterlife, but if there is one, he might want to be buried with a tube of sun screen factor 50,000 in his pocket for where he would be heading.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)It's within reason. He won't enjoy his stay in the Big House -- he doesn't know the meaning of a selfie yet.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Didn't connect prison selfie with living with himself.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Victims included teachers, wives and professionals. The compromising photos cost people jobs, damaged relationships and led to one attempted suicide.
Unlike other "revenge porn" sites, Bollaert prompted users to also share personal identifying information about the subject in the photo, including name, age and address, according to KFMB-TV.
During the trial, 21 victims testified that they were embarrassed and humiliated when their private nude photos and personal identifying information turned up on a now-defunct website, the station reported.
"My life has gone through a down-spiral," one of Bollaert's victims told Judge David Gill, KFMB-TV reported. The woman said her mother refuses to talk to her because of the shame she brought on her family.
One woman said she received 400 messages on social media after the pictures were shown, the Times reported. She said she was forced to quit college and seek help in a mental hospital. "It's been so traumatic," she said. "It's a daily struggle to get my life together."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/04/revenge-porn-sentenced-18-years/25286583/
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Scolding us for not feeling empathy and whining about the sentence being too harsh?
What the hell is wrong with people?
Hekate
(100,132 posts)Really: head shot, name, address, work address, other personal info. I would absolutely love it for them to have this anti-social crime follow them around every time some prospective girlfriend decides to google their names on a whim. Likewise prospective employers -- that would certainly give them pause when it comes to thinking about future liability if they hire the creeps.
But most especially future wives and girlfriends. They should know these guys are capable of the ultimate betrayal of trust.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)"Cad" is old fashioned, but filled the bill. Bottom feeders works too, though.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)Good suggestion though. My respect for Anonymous would go up tremendously if they took this on.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)TNNurse
(7,485 posts)money is not enough punishment. Rapists and murderers SHOULD serve more time. He needs to understand that he does not belong out in the world among people for awhile.
And yes, I am fine with my tax money keeping them in jail. People who sell marijuana.....NO!
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)
barbtries
(31,113 posts)his sentence and my daughter's killer's sentence of 4 years should be transposed.
eta nobody died in this case to my knowledge.
Ilsa
(63,806 posts)arteries in the bathtub, but unfortunately, I doubt those stories are over just yet.
I am truly sorry for what you and your family went through. No one should have to go through any experience remotely like yours. Agreed: 4 years for murder is unbelievable.
barbtries
(31,113 posts)after more reading i am not as convinced that 18 years is too long; not yet convinced that it is not.
Hekate
(100,132 posts)I'm sorry for your loss; no parent should ever have to endure that. 
barbtries
(31,113 posts)after i posted (this is a bad habit of mine) i read the thread. then i googled. in spite of all that i did not find that a suicide was caused by his actions, but if so, then so be it. maybe in 18 years he'll actually realize that it is his fault that he went to prison. i hope so.
thank you - the day they told us about the plea deal Bekah's killer would get was the 2nd worst day of my life. as if they were killing her all over again, but this time i was sitting in the room.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)sorry for your loss. It sickens me that murders sometimes get nothing more than a slap on their wrist. I think they should get more time than this guy. Not that this guy should serve less. Women's lives matter.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)for the loss of your daughter, and i am sorry the person who did it got nothing, as a repercussion for taking that life. i could not imagine what you and yours went thru, are going thru, how you feel.
pnwmom
(110,186 posts)not this man getting 18 for hurting thousands of women.
barbtries
(31,113 posts)and i would certainly not bring this sentence to that level, but i do think it is very long.
my daughter's death was a hit and run drunk driving crash. the killer was charged with murder and then allowed this plea bargain. the DA did not believe he would win the murder case. I wish he had tried, but then there are so many cases like Trayvon's where juries let people off with nothing. you never know what a jury will do. you just don't.
pnwmom
(110,186 posts)Nothing could make up to you for the loss of your daughter, but that sentence wasn't fair. I'm sorry they must have thought that was the best they could do.
barbtries
(31,113 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)And you want to justify giving him a slap on the wrist and a "naughty boy"? Really, dude?
840high
(17,196 posts)good behavior.
calimary
(88,965 posts)Glad you're here. Ordinarily I might agree with you. But the punishment (and YES there needs to be punishment) should fit the crime. Granted we're all in a new age with cyber-crimes. But let this be a cautionary tale. You do shit like this - then you stand a very major chance of fucking yourself over, BIGTIME.
After all - who knows how many people saw and maybe dowloaded their own personal copies of some if not all of those photos. The victims have the proverbial snowball's chance in Hell of undoing that damage to their privacy, AND their reputation or retrieving those photos and wiping them off the internet or seeking redress against the schmucks who may have slobbered over or kept copies - or both!
Maybe it might discourage somebody else from trying to pull that shit and making a buck off of it. I have no problem with this sentence. He kinda EARNED it.
Besides, this strikes me as just All Kinds of Bad. Not JUST the extortion part. Privacy violations (how much of this was done with any of the women's permission), bullying, cyber theft, cyber assault, defamation of character, and I guarantee you many of these victims very likely feel as though they've been raped. And in public, no less!
Rex
(65,616 posts)to be a menace to society? I can't believe you don't see how much harm he caused, maybe if you understand that not all violence in physical - it would help you see how wrong you are.
18 years is NOTHING compared to thousands of years collectively of lives violated and careers ruined, families crushed.
Does that not register with you?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Now multiply that by the number of women he extorted in this case
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Not rocket science.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If he had 1,000 victims. He had more than 1,000.
Lochloosa
(16,667 posts)EL34x4
(2,003 posts)I'll pass. But if you got your hands on naked pics of me or my wife (they are out there), I'd be concerned.
If you tried to extort money from me, I'd tell you to go f' yourself.
If you put them online, I'd be outraged.
But I still wouldn't want to send you to prison for 18 years.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You'd be like "let's give him a stern lecture and community service?"
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)I still don't think he should go to prison for 18 years.
I realize my opinion is an unpopular one. I'm standing by it.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)This was far worse than posting naked pics of anonymous women.
Lochloosa
(16,667 posts)In all probability, this guy ruined careers, family relationships, and friendships.
So yeah fuck him. I hope he serves every last minute of the 18 years.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Families? Relationships? Do you really think that a nude photo being released, into an ocean of nude photos already online, is a life-destroying event?
Look, I'm not defending this guy. He is a dirtbag with a capital D.
I just think an 18 year prison sentence is, as I said before, fucking draconian.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)This psycho extortionist attached the women's names, addresses and other personal information to their photos so that when family, friends, community leaders, or prospective employers or boyfriends googled one of their names, up popped their nude photo from his site.
Life-destroying events were mentioned at his trial, so we don't even have to conjecture about that. And those photos with names attached are out there in the ether, forever, so now you think about how many more life-destroying events could yet occur in the future among his 1000 or so victims.
He got off easy for 1000 separate instances of extortion. As someone upstream pointed out, that's only 1 week of incarceration for each woman he victimized.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)Which country do you live in?
Here in Virginia black folks get 18 years just for armed robbery -- And the judge does have the discretion to send you away for life...
pnwmom
(110,186 posts)I'm sure the number of victims had something to do with the sentence.
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,371 posts)Pre meditated.
The father in law received 25 years.
A waste of resources.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)As horrible as his crimes are, you can't lose your empathy as a human being. Not sure how people are taking solace in this individual basically losing a good chunk of his life. I sympathize with him and his family.
18 years is also way too much. I think you can make the case $350 was blackmail, but even for blackmail cases I think that length of sentence is way too much. Overall justice system is whack with crazy sentencing. If you are going to sentence people for this type of crime, how about more serious and violent crimes? Using this scale, you can justify rape being life sentence without parole. Than maybe death sentence for murder, etc.
You can find balance between deterrence, public safety and justice for victims. 18 years is not balance, but just punitive. 3-5 years, lengthy parole would have being appropriate IMO.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)The nude pics
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Guy is asshole and deserves to go to jail for his crimes.
Doesn't stop me as human being for having empathy for him in the situation he finds himself in (all his doing)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts) seabeyond
(110,159 posts)his actions have hurt many people and he is facing repercussions.
only question is how harsh of punishment he should face, and if we as human beings can feel empathy for the situation he finds himself in. this is a young person who will be spending huge chunk of their life in prison. don't understand how people can see a picture of human being crying and feel no empathy. empathy =/= have him go scout free.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)well as the enormous number of people he hurt and how badly he hurt them.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)little fucking shit can cry. For his own god damned self. Not for the people whose lives he destroyed. Boo. fucking. hoo.
I did emphasize with him. I wondered how he could do such vile things and then blackmail the victims. You know what I felt. Disgusted, immoral, and vile. He never once gave a shit about the women whose lives he destroyed. His only god damned tears are because he is getting removed from civilized society. Remorse? yeah. HIS life was destroyed by the website. Not the woman who had to drop out of college and checked into a mental health facility because she had a breakdown.
How do you think that is going to affect her for the rest of HER life? Will she ever go back to college for her degree? Will she ever trust people? If she doesn't finish her degree, she will suffer a lifetime of lost income. Which means she will take a hit when she is old enough to collect SS. How about jobs? what if a google search reveals these pics and even if she did finish collage she is unhirable for many professions.
How about the one whose family disowned her? How well do you think she will do for the rest of her life?
How many women did kill themselves that we won't hear about because their families had no clue what was going on.
What will the health costs be because of the stress these women will be under for the rest of their lives; wondering if one of those pics will turn up and they lose their job. How will that stress effect their health over the years. We will never hear if any of his victims commit suicide in the future because they can't deal with the harassment and stress. In other words, his crime isn't done taking its toll. He considers himself the victim and cries for only for himself. still. Maybe if HE a little empathy for others he would be sitting on a beach right now watching the sun set.
so the fuck what. A piece of trash has an 18 year sentence. Of which, he will probably at most serve 9.
perhaps rapists and murders should spend more than 18 years, but he should definitely not serve less time. There were thousands of victims. Some of the photos were hacked. There were attempted suicides, loss of jobs with the inability to get another in the profession because these photos were published. One victim was disowned by her family.
Often personal information of the victim was also published with the photo. The harassment/death threats alone cause women to flee their homes for their own safety. Some women are still getting harassed and followed.
He earned 30,000 a month from the victims that could pay to have their photos taken down.
In an interview not too long ago he had the audacity to say, "the website ruined his life"
I'll save my empathy for the women who had their lives destroyed by the fucking piece of shit. Not the one who caused the misery. That is something most humans do who care about others.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)I do not believe in the black/white world of mandatory sentencing. Every crime has victims. That is why it is crime. I do not mean to diminish the pain victims face, but I don't think it is best for society that every criminal face harsh sentencing to satisfy public revenge instincts.
Our criminal system should be based on public safety. This 18 year sentence is all about lust for "justice". Putting this guy away for 18 years is not going to undo the damage done to his victims nor is it based on public safety basis.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kcjohn1
(751 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Seriously, this must be your first time.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)you mean to or not, you did.
For the next 18 years he has time to think about what he put his thousands of victims through. Clearly, he has no remorse over that as he considers himself the real victim. THEY will be suffering for the rest of their lives because of him. The public is safe from him for at least 18 years. Maybe while he is in prison he can reflect on the choices he made that got him there and how to make better choices when he gets out.
But I suspect not, as he is only focused on himself so far.
Sorry about also wanting revenge for a man who blackmailed women and ruined their lives over REVENGE porn. I can give a flying shit that he is being punished for this. He ruined thousands. Say that out loud. He ruined thousands of lives. If he was actually charged for every one of those, instead of the 2 dozen charges he did face, he would be getting a hell of a lot more time. IOW he got off easy when you think about it.
ismnotwasm
(42,663 posts)And I'll guarentee you this guy will NOT have to serve his whole sentence. Thus it is appropriate.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nice try...sorry Charlie.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)No way no how. Those women are not done paying the price for what he did. They will be paying the rest of their lives. If his sentence gives them some peace of mind, it is worth it. It sends a clear message to them that the criminal system, this time took them seriously.
I prefer my empathy to be on the side of the victims. Not someone who blackmailed them to not post nude pics that can ruin their lives, careers, relationships for a long time to come. His victims are not done paying for his crime yet. Those pictures are out there FOREVER.
sammythecat
(3,592 posts)There's little or no room for that on too many subjects here. You can preface your point by saying the guy's a scumbag asshole all you want, it just doesn't matter. You won't be believed. In fact, at least a few will consider you (and now me), at best, a sympathizer with no understanding at all of the damage done by this guy. At worst... well, it can get worse.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)This poor little sociopath needs love.
And 18 years in the pokey.
Screw him.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)He could have plead guilty like the equally brainless Hunter Moore did, but he flaunted that he would get off. He should have gone with guilty because he was.
I sympathize only with his family because many will claim it was a "poor upbringing," while I simply think he's a jerk.
Sorry, I am as empathetic as they come... when a person is actually suffering. He brought this on himself. Let it be a lesson to all the other idiots (men and women) out there who consider doing this.
REP
(21,691 posts)Oh you mean empathy for the convicted extortionist. Wow. Really?
And what's wrong with a life sentence for rape? I don't know anyone who objects to that. Well, rapists don't like the idea.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)"Empathy is the capacity to understand what another person is experiencing from within the other person's frame of reference, ie, the capacity to place oneself in another's shoes."
So when I see picture of him crying, I can empathize with him because I would feel shitty if I were in that position. Or if my brother, father, son, etc where in the same position. As much as he deserves punishment, I can empathize with the pain he is going through.
Sentencing should all about scale of crime. Which do you think is worse? Rape or Murder? Both are horrible, but if you don't put things in scale, than before too long everything is going to have life sentence.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i woud want to relieve him of the outcome. just a bummer for him. his lesson to learn. who am i to change what seems to be a very important lesson for him to learn. why should i be his enabler.
i can feel for the loss of his life in this manner, nad hope he becomes more, because of it.
that would be empathy
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Serial rapists should get life without parole. Are you in favour of letting them return to society?
kcjohn1
(751 posts)this is given, and not what is up for discussion.
my original comment was about how people here could not have any empathy for this individual. the first two comments are "my heart is breaking" or "my wind is breaking".
for whatever you think of this individual, he is a fellow human being who is going to lose huge chunk of his life. empathy does not cost any money. you can have it for everyone, and if everyone started putting themselves in other peoples shoes we would all be better off for it, including this individual as he might not have committed these crimes.
serial rapists should be in jail to rot, not because we are being punitive, but rather for public safety. am just not big believer of setting sentencing based on getting even but rather for public safety reasons. the current system is very harsh and does not improve public safety.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't.
And you haven't answered my question, are you willing to let repeat rapists back into society?
kcjohn1
(751 posts)Some are harder than others, but I do have empathy for criminals. Prison is no cakewalk and although most have done horrible things, I can empathize with people losing their freedom. Empathy =/= let them go free. You don't think its waste of human life rotting in prison?
I do not believe repeat rapists should be walking around. This is public safety issue. Nor do I think someone who commits any crime should be sentenced to life sentence because it makes us feel better. I like the Norway model in which its #1) about public safety #2) help the criminal so that they are not repeat offenders and danger to the public.
In this particular, do you think he really presents a public safety risk to put him away from 18 years? That is why the sentence is ridiculous. Only way to justify the 18 years is because people are being punitive.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And you're ignoring the fact that this guy won't do 18 years.
kcjohn1
(751 posts)i think it is deceiving on your part to tie his crimes to serial rapists.
what this guy did was wrong and he should be punished. there are lots of victims. worth pointing out though are the bigger criminals who posted the pictures of the victims. this individuals crime is basically hosting the website + trying to extort to get the pictures removed. its similar to other white collar crimes. typically this crimes have lots of victims, and usually the severity of the crime is based on number of victims + financial impact. its not the same as raping 30 people.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 4, 2015, 05:42 PM - Edit history (2)
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Severity: victims had their pictures and personal info posted on the fucking internet
number of victims: thousands
financial impact: $350 for each
= what?
It's obvious you're using any opportunity to minimize the suffering of his victims.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)to have any but for this sob. your efforts here are suspect along with your empathy. bye
REP
(21,691 posts)I'm impressed that your tears are for the extortionist. That's so special.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)But it involves a knife
A sharpened stick
And a campfire.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)
And it's $350 x thousands of victims; using your logic perhaps it would be better to sentence him 3-5 years for each case of "blackmail".
Hekate
(100,132 posts)
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)They will cause all sorts of problems for these women. Jobs, career, life in general.
I'm a dad of three (now adult) girls. If any of their friends pulled this sort of shit on them, let's just say I would not be happy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)...while she still trusted him and loved him.
Students google their teachers all the time. If her intimate photos show up on a search like that -- it makes me sick to think of it. First the entire student body, then the rest of the teachers, the principal, all the parents, the school board.
She would be out of a job so fast she wouldn't even have time to clean out her desk. She would not be hired as a teacher any place else, ever.
That is a hideous betrayal of trust by a guy who couldn't accept that sometimes relationships end, followed by the murder of her reputation and career.
Regardless of what occupation these women had, that's what it is.
And we have a handful of apologists in this thread who think this outcome is of no consequence.
suffragette
(12,232 posts)Prosecutors said that Bollaert created a website that allowed the anonymous posting of nude and sexually explicit photos. The website required that a person posting a picture to include the subject's name, location, age and Facebook profile.
Prosecutors said more than 10,000 images from California and other states were posted between Dec. 2, 2012, and Sept. 17, 2013.
Court documents include emails to Bollaert's website from women demanding that pictures of them be removed. In the emails, the women say that posting of the pictures left them angry, scared and feeling violated.
One woman emailed that after the pictures were posted along with her name and other personal information, she received phone calls, lewd photos and numerous emails from people "asking to 'hook up.'"
He violated their privacy and jeopardized their safety, then tried to extort money from them.
He deserves the sentence.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So you just forget all about mental violence and just want him to get a slap on the wrist?
Kewl story bro!
gollygee
(22,336 posts)The sentence is reasonable. He had a great number of victims. That's how it works.
trumad
(41,692 posts)
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)I can't believe the shit that I see get defended on these boards.
To ruin all those women's lives for a measly 30K. Bastard got off easy, really.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)For anyone wanting revenge, I think you've got it. Dude's going to be out of his victims's lives for many years, and any sensible parole terms are going to prevent his repeating the crime.
Depending on where he is imprisoned, he may be undergoing the daily torture that is our penal system. If he survives, he may be broken completely, and that has to have him terrified.
So yay for vengeance, the next best thing to justice?
trumad
(41,692 posts)Again---fuck that POS.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...but I don't like what that says about me.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If he had 1,000 victims. He had more, but a quick google doesn't give me a hard number.
So, six days in prison is enough for destroying someone's life?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)which means at least 2,000, so at most 3 days per victim.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which would be 15 hours per victim. But I decided to go with the most charitable estimate since I didn't have a hard number.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)I understand your meaning, and even agree with it in my own fashion. But they'll crucify you here for being so nuanced and empathetic to monsters and other defective humans.
It's quite selective morality, of course and most times you never know when you'll hit a trip-wire to set it off.
For example, there's this gentleman many here admire who is responsible for the deaths of untold numbers of children. Babies, even. And their mothers. Some died in their mothers arms. Occasionally he's said: ''Whoops, I'm sorry!'', and then he'll send the survivors some money. But some people think he's a great guy -- no matter what. Just a mistake. Hmmm.
- They think so much of him that they even gave him a Nobel Prize, but no one ever talks about the dead babies. This is what I mean by: ''Selective morality.''
Demeter
(85,373 posts)pleading for this scumbag's humanity.
Perhaps he has too many un-indicted co-conspirators, backing up his appeal?
Or too much loot still in his possession to permit him to try to buy public opinion?
Or there are too many soulless basement dwellers, who thought this was a neat and righteous way to make money?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)This was more than misogyny....this was RICO worthy.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)But a great deal about who gives it. Wanting to be kind is not a bad thing.
Eighteen years seems harsh to me, but I do not know what became of all the victims. I do not know what, if any, input they had on the Judge's severity of that sentence. I hope they had input.
Stuffing this shit stain into a deep deep hole for 18 years probably won't effect misogyny itself; that is the root cause. After all harsh sentencing didn't stop illegal drug use and sales so much.
The problem is rampant misogyny; which will take a rewrite of society. Part of what we fight for here right?
Even if this stain put a price on his mercy, doesn't mean we should as well.
The ones who deserved mercy the most and perceived it the least are the victims; for my part I feel the worse about that.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)It's not as if he were dying of some painful, incurable disease....let him live with the consequences of his evil.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I was responding to the questions of how some of the posters could feel sorry for one who had hurt so many so badly.
I want him to pay a price for his actions. I just think stuffing him in prison for 18 years may not be the best way to do it. In a way; throwing him away is just covering up the real problem, the one of rampant misogyny.
RecoveringJournalist
(205 posts)I'm sure Joe Francis is rushing to his defense.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Welcome to DU
Aerows
(39,961 posts)He will learn the value of not being a complete asshole, an extortionist and a general blight on the landscape of humanity.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)This guy will do more time than murderers do in many countries. (And they don't have higher crime rates because of laxity. Go figger.)
This guy isn't exactly a sympathetic character, but he is still being sentenced very harshly. So are a lot of other people in this country. I don't know what lesson you learn in 18 years that you didn't in two or five.
And good progressives are for sane, humane sentencing...except sometimes.
Demeter
(85,373 posts)He didn't kill someone he knew with his own hands, in a fit of passion or intoxication, like your average convicted murderer.
Killing people's reputations was his life's work. He made a fortune at it. He boasted of it. People died of his profiteering.
Maybe that will give you some better scale of comparison as to the punishment fitting the crime.
Hestia
(3,818 posts)mercy should come from (not that I have any for this POS). He derived absolute joy in what he was doing (go and read interviews from/with him). He loved making his victims live in absolute terror over what he was doing.
Maybe, just maybe, if he had one iota of remorse over his actions then you could maybe appeal to my human side, but my Female Warrior side says it is not enough and he should do more time. Death would be a kindness in this matter, and as we know, there are some things that are worse than death...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)... probably narcissistic personality disorder or psychopathy.
It's hard for me to have sympathy for someone who cared so little for the immense pain and suffering caused tens of thousands of others over many years for no reason other than financial enrichment.
mountain grammy
(28,662 posts)it's because of idiotic drug laws, 3 strikes laws, and the war on people who do drugs.
This man is an extortionist who ruined thousands of lives. This is the kind of person who really should be in prison. He is a threat to society. I believe his punishment is appropriate.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Hyperbole aside ("ruined thousands of lives"
, this guy is still pretty scummy and deserves some punishment. I think 18 years is over the top, though. But I generally think we sentence people way too harshly in this country.
Other countries have much saner sentencing policies. And lower crime rates. Go figger.
mountain grammy
(28,662 posts)but in this case, I believe an appropriate sentence was given.
mercuryblues
(16,167 posts)he brought in about 30,000 a month from his site that charged his victims from his revenge porn site to remove the pics. At about 300$ a pop. For at least 10 months.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Being a retired Chief Petty Officer, and what's commonly called a hard man, would call these 'Crocodile tears'...in this case I would agree with him.
This creep is the lowest of the low...
SwissTony
(2,560 posts)Not for the women he abused. And it was abuse.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)It is too easy - nowadays - to be cruel in America;
and that ain't right!
The sentence is excessive.... should be 5 to 15...IMO
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)If some guy posted revenge photos of my daughter on line I think I'd crack his head open and the owner's, too.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,615 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Why is he the only one doing time.
"He operated ugotposted.com, where anonymous users posted nudes without the subject's consent."
I myself have no nudes of me online that I know of. I don't let myself get photographed while nude. These women had boyfriends or husbands give those photos to this guy so he can publish them. Why aren't they going to jail?
"Jilted lovers and hackers could anonymously post nude photos of people without their consent, along with personal information about them, at a website Bollaert created and moderated, called ugotposted.com."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3025196/San-Diego-revenge-porn-site-operator-sentenced-18-years.html#ixzz3WN8UOID6
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tblue37
(68,128 posts)cstanleytech
(28,196 posts)played a part with swaying the jury to convict him as he had consent of atleast one of the people involved in the videos and or photos.
No where he screwed up (other than in being a decent human being of course) was when he demanded money to remove them thus the extortion charge which makes sense as far as securing a conviction imo and it will probably be upheld though if he has a good lawyer his sentence might get shaved down some but thats up to the appeals courts *shrug*.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)At the time, posting the photos was legal. There have been several changes to state laws since then.
What got this guy sent to prison was the extortion. Not the posting.
tblue37
(68,128 posts)
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and about $900 a month in ad revenue.
For his willingness to ruin the lives of others.
He is really paying, now.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Just as selfish and sociopathic as all of them.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Enjoy your new accommodations.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Is that society is so messed up that all these people had to feel so guilty and ashamed for basically having sex with someone at some point. I mean, it shouldn't be that way! Sex is not a crime, why is it so heavy with shame and guilt?
Stinky The Clown
(68,915 posts)
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Hunter Moore, the operator of a US “revenge porn” website that hosted stolen nude photos, has pled guilty to hacking and identity theft.
Moore could face a prison sentence of between two and seven years for the offences. He signed court papers stating that he had paid another man, whom he named as Charles Evens, to hack websites to steal photos.
Evens has pleaded not guilty and will face trial in March.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/hunter-moore-internets-most-hated-man-faces-seven-years-in-jail-10056898.html
bullwinkle428
(20,660 posts)of hard time that this creep will.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)the utter lack of even the smallest traces of sympathy I have for this asshat.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)and in the USA bit tougher to prove. but California is one of the tougher laws ie once upon a time totally legal. Also know at least a few webmasters who got hacked and had this stuff shoved on their site. and they said idiot reported them bye bye website. now that irritates me.
but the $350 would be what got this one in trouble. anyone else we take them down.
steve2470
(37,481 posts)We can hope. I hope he thinks about the evil he committed every second in prison.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)This prick was all bravado when he was initially found out. I am going to have to pass on the sympathy for him.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Wow, you can't get away with whatever you want.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)people are all of a sudden very sympathetic to criminals.
He had thousands of victims. 18 years divided by the number of victims = not very much time per victim.
If my math is right, if there were even just 1000 victims, it would be about 6 days per victim. It said "thousands" so it must be at least 2,000. That would be about 3 days per victim.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)While his victims' pictures and info could be out there who knows how long.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and decide not to do something similar.
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)I'm not sure a guy like this makes it out of prison at all. They need to keep him as isolated as possible or it'll be open season I should think.
Not that it SHOULD be that way. It just is.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I sure as hell don't feel sorry for him.
I've been stalked before and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. I wonder if he'll feel the same way in prison and be able to understand why what he did was so heinous.
Zenlitened
(9,540 posts)people are all of a sudden very sympathetic to criminals.
It's plain to see, and no amount of rationalizing can obscure it. Disgusting.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)A woman lies about being raped, thousands of times, and tells the thousands of victims she'll tell the truth if they pay her $350. How long would people want to put her in jail?
Zenlitened
(9,540 posts)Forever.
lpbk2713
(43,245 posts)Like any other good little rethuglican wannabe.
Trouble is, he got caught.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Where the fast majority of you are utterly authoritarian when it comes to criminal justice and you stand and cheer as we put more and more people in prison for longer and longer sentences, as if that's someday going to actually improve our society- but 18 years in prison is too much time for just about anyone, much less some internet scam artist. Of course this is the reaction I have come to expect here. "Fuck that scumbag". The owners of our police state and our prison industrial complex appreciate your zeal, as we lead the world in locking up our citizens.
Paladin
(32,244 posts)....when the convicted is a good-looking, well-groomed, teary-eyed, young white guy.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)It has nothing really to do with this guy at all. It's bad social policy. But hey, locking up "scumbags" makes you feel righteous and good, and that's far more important than the long term effects of our draconian criminal justice system.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)KitSileya
(4,035 posts)probably right in the midst of vulnerable groups! I bet he would love to go from high school to high school to tell girls about the dangers of trusting their boyfriends - so many potential victims to prey on! Or he could pick litter by day, and post pictures at night. I mean, never mind that thousands of women had their trust violated by their lovers, and then their lives endangered by this scumbag posting their personal information alongside these pictures. Never mind that these women are now at increased risk of rape, assault, abuse, sexual harassment, blackmail for the rest of their lives. No, this scumbag should be coddled simply because as a white man, he deserves our empathy, doncha know!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And for most of the people whose pictures he posted, there is no permanently removing them from the internet, meaning the damage he inflicted is permanent.
In interviews he laughed at these people. He terrorized women and got pleasure from it. That kind of a person deserves prison.
You have conflated this guy with folks put in prison for drug offenses that hurt no one. That is the reason our prisons are clogged. I have no problem jailing people that hurt other people.
He posted naked pictures when there was no consent from the folks whose pictures he took. That, IMHO, is a form of sexual assault. He is lucky he isn't getting life in prison.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Doesn't reduce crime or improve society. It makes you feel good. That's not a sound basis for formulating social policy. We will spend well over half a million dollars warehousing this person. His opportunity to rehabilitate himself and return to make amends and try to contribute to society will have long since passed when he is released with no prospects for employment and an instituionalized mentality. Ha ha good, fuck him, he deserves it. Fine, but we pay for it and have gotten nothing in return. There is no rehabilitation or deterrent in an 18 year sentence that isn't there in a 5 year sentence. Americans are an unforgiving and vindictive lot, that's all that our prison sentences are about. Most of the civilized world has sentence a quarter of ours on average and they have no greater crime rates than we do.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)get 5 year sentences?
The suggestion that an 18 year sentence has no more deterrent value than a 5 year sentence is absurd.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)There is no empirical evidence to show that longer prison sentences lead to improved rehabilitation or lower crime rates. There is no empirical evidence that shows long prison sentences are a deterent to crime. I know you "think" they must, because it just makes sense. But they don't. There's no correlation when you compare our draconian prison system with the rest of the civilized world. I challenge you to find empiracle evidence to the contrary. Oh and "fuck that guy" isn't evidence.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the murder rate would stay the same?
No one would say "fuck it, it's worth it?"
Child molestors should be allowed to rape at will, knowing the consequences will be minimal?
You think Anders Breivik is getting a raw deal?
Putting someone in prison absolutely prevents them from committing crimes against society. This guy won't have any victims for years.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Me either. It has nothing to do with the penalty. The reality is that most people who commit crimes don't consider the consequences, as a result there is little correlation between sentence lengths and crime rates. It really should, I know. It's intuitive. But the fact is very very very few people who commit crimes ever think about getting caught, much less what the specific penalty for a crime happens to be. I understand your position, that warehousing undesirables makes your world better. You aren't alone. And that's fine, just don't try to justify it by saying it will lower crime rates, because it doesn't. And by the way, it's really expensive.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)there are penalties for breaking it.
To deny this is outright delusional and detached from reality and the purpose of the legal system.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)That would bring the crime rate to zero. Problem solved. Amazing no one thought of that before.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)You are free to argue that 6 days per victim is disproportionate. Most would disagree.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Nothing about what I posted is emotional, it's pure clinical analysis. The amount of people he hurt, the amount he hurt them, his lack of remorse, and the use of sexual pictures without consent that imho is a form of sexual assault, all combine to justify the sentence. That's not emotion talking, it's analysis. And if you stopped to listen to other people for a second instead of riding your high horse, you might see it.
Lochloosa
(16,667 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)That sentence alone demonstrates you have absolutely not a single clue what this is about.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I could really not care any less "what this is about". It's not about this guy or somehow justifying his crime. Prison sentences in this country are far too long to serve any useful purpose. They just make the self righteous feel better. But as I said, I knew my audience when I posted, and I'm glad you put your torch and/or pitchfork down long enough to respond.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)in this discussion.
This is 6 days per victim. That is reasonable.
Blackmail is a crime for a very good reason.
Blue_Tires
(57,596 posts)He was running this entire scheme from the start...It's not like he was part of some group and only had a tangential relationship to the crimes and the judge gave him 18 just to be a dick...
trumad
(41,692 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)And you didn't disappoint
trumad
(41,692 posts)Blah...blah...blah....blah blah!
Poor whittle guy...ramroded by teh big bad system.
BWAAAAAAAA!
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Sorry people getting what they deserve offends you.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Shouldn't he get a life sentence? Shouldn't all the "swine"?
flvegan
(65,723 posts)Care to share more, "DefenseLawyer"
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I wonder who'll stand up for them when it comes to their turn?
Thanks for pointing out the reality, DefenseLawyer. Things have devolved to the point where Traitors, Warmongers and Banksters walk free. Never forget that those who kill Presidents, start wars without end for profits without cease, and kick millions out of their homes are too big to jail.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)There is no doubt that our system of prison and punishment is in need of massive, even revolutionary changes.
The problems are systemic, and if you actually know much about it you certainly know that these systemic problems revolve around race and class. Millions of people, especially poor people and/or people of color, are incarcerated or in probation for victimless crimes. It is creating a two-tier society not unlike Jim Crow, and most of the problem comes from the so-called war on drugs.
This case, in the OP, is about as far from an example of the systemic problems with our justice system as you can get.
This man compromised the intimate privacy of thousands of women. In some cases, he caused severe damage to their lives. On top of that, he committed an outrageous number of crimes of extortion which is what he is specifically being punished for.
It's hard not to notice that this is a case of a white man of at least moderate means who victimized thousands (?) of women, and you are using this as an example of why we have so many people in prison? This, as an example of our overly-punitive society? He is not at all representative of our twisted justice system. He is an exception to this issue, not the rule.
It is ass-backwards. This is the worst possible example of the point you are trying to make. Which leads the observer to wonder if you even give a shit about thousands of women being victimized at the hands of a white man.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Hekate
(100,132 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts) Number23
(24,544 posts)is pure poetry.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)California v Scumbag.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)the low end of sentencing.
This is precisely the type of defendant who should get a harsh sentence......entitled and sociopathic.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)As a layman it was my impression that the sentence was light. Your opinion seals it for me.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)others around him.
To those who think this is a heavy sentence.....just remember, this guy not only participated in this scheme, took money, laughed at the misery he caused, and then masturbated to his victim's pictures. He's an individual who should not be out in society.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)
malaise
(292,516 posts)That's the reason for 18 years.
Fuck him.
Eric J in MN
(35,621 posts)One can't complain that the US has the world's highest incarceration rate, and cheer an 18 year sentence for a non-violent crime.
guillaumeb
(42,649 posts)and the mind rape? He took away trust and freedom from his victims.
He is a predator, and predators do not stop.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"One can't complain that the.."
Unless of course, one is rational enough to distinguish between the the singular and the collective.
marlakay
(12,988 posts)It may not be someone physically touching you but words, pictures and video can slice you to your core.
Once things are out there you can't just do a take back. It's not like film and pictures you can throw away.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Not surprising. Americans LOVE their prisons. They want criminals to suffer.
By far, the United States is #1 in incarceration in the world.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)there were thousands of victims. If there had been only 2,000, it would be 3 days per victim. I'm sure the penalty wouldn't have been so harsh if there had only been one criminal act.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Are you saying what he did was worse?
Now the taxpayers have to pay $40,000+ a year for the next 18 years to keep this guy locked up in a cell with gang bangers and rapists (many of whom will be released before him) and hope to god he comes out a better person in the end?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kid?
ignore thousands of victims to make him your victim.
no surprise.
but then, havent you argued rapists should get little to no time, or some such shit cause it fills the jails?
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I've argued that pot-smokers should not be put in jail. I have argued that men and women who are adults and engage in consensual sexual activities (including prostitution) should not be put in jail. And I have said that every accused person (including rapists) deserve the right of due process and a fair trial which is according to the US Constitution.
And I am against excessively long prison sentences for non-violent offenses.
Don't twist my words. I've been a longtime advocate for prison reform. The prison system and the police have always been important issues for me.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)who had evil and malicious intent.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Rapists hardly ever even go to jail, so that's not a good comparison. I hope that isn't what we think justice is.
randome
(34,845 posts)But this was mass extortion so...
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eridani
(51,907 posts)
He deserves even worse.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)to see how many people who think he shouldn't get this sentence have said in previous threads that Trayvon Martin, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, and Tamir Rice deserved what they got.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)
customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)all the scumbags who uploaded this stuff to this jerkwad's website? Some of them need a reason to cry, as well.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Orrex
(66,652 posts)Even this ringleader asshole wasn't convicted for possessing or posting those pictures without their subjects' consent; he was convicted of identity theft and extortion.
The contributing assholes are assholes, but I'm not sure which law, if any, they violated.
customerserviceguy
(25,406 posts)They knew what the pictures were going to be used for when they uploaded them to this extortionist. They certainly weren't innocent parties in all of this.
Orrex
(66,652 posts)I'm definitely not saying that they're innocent; I simply don't know how they could charge the uploaders. I've never been to that site, but uploaders likely didn't receive any compensation and would argue that they were using the site as an image host, more or less.
It's shitty as hell, but I'm not sure that the law has yet caught up with reality.
diane in sf
(4,211 posts)
catbyte
(38,618 posts)
eppur_se_muova
(40,919 posts)JTFrog
(14,274 posts)And his defenders too.
18 years is not enough. Most of his victims will suffer far longer than that.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)He is worse that a blackmailer. A blackmailer would have told them to pay up or their nude photo would be posted.
This scumbag POSTED the nude photos, attached their NAMES and ADDRESSES to the photos so that when anyone (their children, family, potential employers, community leaders, etc) googled their name or address, their nude photo would pop up in their face, and then extorted them to pay up before he would remove their photos.
He received only about 1 week of incarceration for each of just 1000 of the women he victimized. That souless, calculating, evil prick deserves every day in jail he got.
Orrex
(66,652 posts)
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Considering the initial punishment against Kevin Mitnick after he was released from prison that barred him from using any technology other than a landline phone.
Hopefully, someone has realized this guy doesn't need access to any Internet-technology for a while.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)one after the other. 27 counts divided into 18 years = 8 months per count
noella17
(48 posts)hurt people. Bottom line. Whether he hurt women, animals, or destroyed property, I don't take any glee in his emotional discomfort and I hope that he can reflect on why he felt the need to be an extortionist.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Too bad his face didn't break for his victims.
madinmaryland
(65,662 posts)never have been convicted of anything. He may have faced expensive civil lawsuits, but would he have been breaking any laws?
b.durruti
(102 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I Guess that awesome idea doesn't seem so awesome no, eh? Bro, Y U cryin'