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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTweety gets it right: "You are wrong, wrong, wrong, over & over again & you never get ashamed of it"
Chris Matthews slams GOP spokesman for shamelessness and misunderstanding of history
Like you guys ought to have been embarrassed about the Iraq war. And never apologized for that. You are wrong, wrong, wrong, over and over again and you never get ashamed of it. And you keep making the most outrageous things. Comparing this President to being in bed with Hitler is disgusting."
one of Tweety's best moments:
MORE:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/04/05/1375740/-Chris-Matthews-slams-GOP-Ron-Christie-for-shamelessness-on-Iran-deal-and-historical-ignorance
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)"MATTHEWS: Do you think this role, and I want to talk politically [...], the president deserves everything he's doing tonight in terms of his leadership. He won the war. He was an effective commander. Everybody recognizes that, I believe, except a few critics. Do you think he is defining the office of the presidency, at least for this time, as basically that of commander in chief? That [...] if you're going to run against him, you'd better be ready to take [that] away from him."
"MATTHEWS: Let me ask you, Bob Dornan, you were a congressman all those years. Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign?"
http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/04/27/mission-accomplished-a-look-back-at-the-medias/135513
kpete
(71,979 posts)he is a little bi-polar
peace,
kp
PCIntern
(25,514 posts)today
wait 18 months
he'll be foaming at some other Rethug's codpiece...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and Matthews believed it. Many people did. Bush was telling a massive lie, with our military as props and high drama.
However, when you look at others who bought the lie and later recanted, you find actual mongers of war, promoters of the invasion, mockers of those who opposed the war. Cheerleaders for Cheney, such as Andrew Sullivan, who wrote the following lovelies....
"Almost the whole academic class, the media elites, the college-educated urbanites, the entertainment industry and so on are now reflexively anti-war. Worse in fact: there is very little argument or debate going on in these sub-populations, simply an assumption that war against Saddam is wrong, and that all right-thinking people agree about this."
"Suddenly, September 10 again. Friends calling from New York City, asking if I have a spare room. Nervous glances up at the TV screens in the gym. Greta van Susteren declaring a specific cyanide alert in New York City, where none existed. Duct tape jokes. Tanks at Heathrow. It is a war, isn't it? It reminds me that the anti-war protestors are not in fact trying to prevent a war. They cannot -- because one has already broken out. They merely want to give up on one critical front.
The trouble is: our enemies won't. "
" As regular readers know, I've long advocated cutting France out of any post-war Iraqi settlement. No oil contracts, no peace-keepers, no influence as far as we can help it. Charles Krauthammer makes the same point today. After what the French have tried to do to destroy American diplomacy, wreck Tony Blair, and delay a war until it might actually be more dangerous for American troops, they deserve more than indifference."
More context of the time here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/03/behold-the-hatred-resentment-and-mockery-aimed-at-anti-iraq-war-protesters/274230/
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Matthews initially got it wrong on the Iraq aftermath. OK, fine, none of us get everything right. He has been pretty much right on everything after that and has gone after the perpetrators of that disaster with a vengeance. I don't think he will ever trust a Republican again, good lesson learned.
qazplm
(3,626 posts)Matthews is a guy who likes the game of politics, whichever side it is played on.
He clearly like the spectacle presented there as masterful political theater, and it was, and at the moment, it looked like he might be able to pull it off with minimal damage. Of course that wasn't true, but at that moment, to Matthews, it looked so.
That it was based on a lie obviously took him longer to figure out.
But he did figure it out. I find the fact that folks discount everything he says or does since fairly silly.
BumRushDaShow
(128,714 posts)that "spectacle" of "masterful political theater" cost a trillion dollars, millions of refugees, and many hundreds of thousands of deaths and injuries. And his claim of being on "our side" but not calling them out, helped to bolster the bogus arguments from the RW loons who own most of the media.
The irony of all this being that 3 years later in 2006 after that excerpt was uttered, and despite his effusive propping up of that administration, the Democrats were thankfully able to retake the House after 12 years of GOP control - notably because of the mishandling of the war.
He has proven himself over and over of being nothing but "entertainment" for ratings.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)When there's a prevailing wind blowing he's all puffed up. Otherwise he just sits there waiting for one.
treestar
(82,383 posts)at least temporarily He's one who seems to say the right thing once in a while. The rest of the time he's an idiot.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)It takes a while for it to sink in but he does get it eventually.
As for Iraq? A lot of people didn't think a sitting President and his entire administration could so blatantly lie to an entire nation.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The manner in which Bush entered into the White House was also highly tainted, as was the way in which Cheney avoided the Constitutional prohibition of both President and Vice President being residents of the same state. And Bush started bombing Iraq just a couple of weeks after he entered the White House. It was obvious to anyone who was paying attention that the Bush administration was up to no good.
brewens
(13,557 posts)what he's now saying about Iraq.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Airc, he asked if people could even imagine a Liberal, like McGovern, 'strutting like that, acting like a hero'. Or words to that effect. I remember having to post McGovern's actual war record for right wingers, something Dems for some reason, fail to do, to attack Right Wing Chicken Hawks on THEIR 'non hero war records' while allowing them to attack actual War heroes like McGovern.
Tweety is a tool. And amazingly ignorant at times. Not a nice person, he plays both sides of the fence for whatever reason.
Stopped watching him long ago, even though once in a while he does something like this.
I also remember him saying, re Bush's Mission Accomplished routine, that 'women love this stuff'!!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)MATTHEWS: The president there -- look at this guy! We're watching him. He looks like he flew the plane. He only flew it as a passenger, but he's flown --
CADDELL: He looks like a fighter pilot.
MATTHEWS: He looks for real. What is it about the commander in chief role, the hat that he does wear, that makes him -- I mean, he seems like -- he didn't fight in a war, but he looks like he does.
on point
(2,506 posts)Haven't heard him apologize either, but nice to know he realizes it was a mistake at least
calimary
(81,179 posts)Watching george w. dry-drunk prancing around in his stuffed flight suit on the deck of that aircraft carrier in the most shamelessly-manipulated, staged, and utterly phonied-up photo op EVER. He was practically drooling. I'll never forget his own shamelessness: "Lookit! Look at that! He's such a GUY! I think Americans want a GUUUYYYYYYYYYYYYY for president! Americans like a GUUUYYYYYYYYYYYYY for president!"
While, on another network, another slobbering drooling sycophant was even more shamelessly burbling - "Look! Look at that! Lookit the PACKAGE on that guy!!!"
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)If I had been watching it live, I might have thrown a brick at the TV.
calimary
(81,179 posts)I wanted to throw a fews expletives at his face - if only I were close enough. But he was completely swept away by - and into - the staging and perception management of the bush/cheney White House. Everybody was swept up. What a man! What a strut! Look at that stuffed crotch - he must be seven-feet-long and as big around as a Giant Sequoia! Pant! Pant! Sigh! Sigh! I think America wants a GUYYYYYYYYYY for President! They like a GUYYYYYYYYYYYYY for President. He's the kind, when he gets excited, he spews spit drops when he talks. Those droplets could have spewed straight through the TV screen. He was like a frickin' Rain Bird sprinkler that day.
INFURIATING. It was so damn easy to see through. EVEN BEFORE we heard that they turned the carrier around so you wouldn't see it was moored just off the San Diego coast. The staging was so complete with the big banner arranged just so - just above where he stood to speak at the podium they set up on the deck so all the cameras would be sure to see it in frame. The positioning of the special troop escort members in their multicolor jumpsuits. We later snickered that they'd brought the Teletubbies out to meet him. Just ridiculous. Embarrassing. Fraudulent. A big fat FRAUD that day. "Mission Accomplished." Yeah - MY ASS. Just humiliating for America, for all the world to see, the fawning worship of this fucking fraud and warmonger and THIEF of the Presidential Election. It was infuriating!!!
What made it so horrible was how NO ONE was questioning it. NO ONE was mentioning how contrived and artificial it was. The reagan era trained 'em well, I'll concede that. All the Old Hollywood Busby Berkeley staging and Gigantor-size American flags and crap. As though if you just STAGED it well enough, that would be THE outward sign of just how Super-American you were! How if they cut you you would bleed red, white, and blue. CRINGEworthy. Eight years of that shit back in the '80s. And then, this again in the first decade of the 21st Century, too. AWFUL. Fucking phonies!!! It made the whole country look like such clowns on the world stage. The rest of the world didn't have fawning media lapdogs so they all knew the truth. It was the American media consumer who didn't, who was kept in the dark and fed bullshit like the proverbial mushrooms. That was the veritable Mushroom Generation.
SOOOOOOO glad we got to turn the page with the Obama years. RELIEVED! It was so galling how many people were taken in by bush/cheney, fell for it hook line and sinker, swallowed it whole without even chewing it a little. There was PLENTY of information to the contrary. There was PLENTY of truth out there. NONE of it was listened to, or given even a split-second of air time or face time. And ol' Tweety was right out there in front, like some drunken majorette. Leading the parade of lemmings with his loud voice and his showers of excited spittle.
HORRIBLE days. HORRIBLE HORRIBLE days. And Tweety swallowed it all. And shat it all back out to force-feed to the rest of us.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)For money!!
Hope he enjoys his 30 pieces of silver.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I've heard Matthews admit he was wrong on more than one occasion.
Nothing wrong with that.
But when you're wrong, admit it! The problem with Republicans is they can't ever admit it, and frankly they have so trained themselves to ignore evidence that they probably don't even really THINK they were wrong!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)spent as much time as anyone else in media obsessing over Clinton's cock. I get that people can change. But in this case all we have is a name dropping, Tim Russert taint licking, teleprompter reading opportunist who's never uttered what could be considered an original thought.
whathehell
(29,050 posts)a "taint licking"?
It sounds nasty.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,500 posts)Paulie
(8,462 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Gman
(24,780 posts)Trying to shout them down by redirecting and playing the victim.
Greybnk48
(10,167 posts)is a joy to watch. I had issues with Chris Matthews in the past, but I'm ready to let them go.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)and the "deal" with Iran isn't as complicated as he claims. The goal is simply to diminish Iran's ability to deter US impunity in the Middle East. Our policies there are about controlling energy, and not another damned thing else.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)These fucking Republicans do not have a clue. This dipshit was just repeating official GOP talking points which have absolutely no basis in reality.
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)bending and swaying to whatever direction the political winds blow. He disseminates propaganda for military contractors, and therefore serves the interests of power and profit, and nothing else.
kpete
(71,979 posts)but tools can be useful to build or destroy
and sometimes....... they hit the nail on the head
peace,
kp
ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Within a narrow framework.
Framing political debate and maintaining a common world-view among working class Americans, is the US media establishment's primary function. I never lose sight of this fact.
longship
(40,416 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)supporters. The more they get away with on public t.v., the more they keep their supporters from questioning ideas that have harmed our country, and is also turning them into racists.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)Never doubt it.
George Beerlover
(23 posts)I'm clearly not in on the joke. Which is fine, because he's exactly right! The Christies and the Kristols and the Krauthammers have been wrong about EVERYTHING for more than a decade!
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)My guess has always been that there's just a perceived physical resemblance between the man and the cartoon character, but was never sure.
Hekate
(90,616 posts)....including that favored by the famous cartoon birdie.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)I think that's all it is
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I didn't that day, and I truly enjoyed watching and listening as Chris Matthews schooled ex-Cheney spokesperson, Ron Christie, for his arrogance and willful ignorance.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)talking points.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)DrBulldog
(841 posts)... and such rebuttals need to be seen and heard on all our broadcast news channels, not just cable.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Spine is still missing.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Cha
(297,029 posts)take down.
We all know he changes with the wind.. but, he has a fairly big pulpit and this was a much needed take-down of LIES by the ******* Liars.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)to EarlG
Cha
(297,029 posts)EarlG
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Hekate
(90,616 posts)Just when he seems too silly for words (most memorably for the thrill that ran up his leg) he very passionately speaks the truth.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He says the right things, then turns around and panders to warmongers. He is an enigma.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...and Reagan. He makes me ill sometimes.
Rex
(65,616 posts)It's just too frustrating to watch him say all the right things one day, then cater to the GOP with softballs the next.
Cha
(297,029 posts)Thanks Tweety and DA!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)they wouldn't power a gnat's motorcycle halfway around a BB. Jayzus, what a fucking imbecile.
Good for Tweety, just shouting him down.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Skittles
(153,138 posts)when he is right he does it exceedingly well
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)once in a while bites his own nuts...or something like that...
tavernier
(12,374 posts)of their water carriers. I fervently wish that he had included the media who blindly ran with the Bush and Cheney and Rummy ball. He could have opened that conversation with his own Mea Culpa.
Cha
(297,029 posts)maindawg
(1,151 posts)When you have only the Hitler card left, you are desperate. They have nothing. Zero ideas, no clue. They must double down on the most rediculess crap.All they have are the tired old tricle down lies and dusty old prejudices and no one is afraid of their bad old Al Queda anymore. I dont think the CIA even works to prop up their fear mongering anymore. If we can secure the vote and protect our rights , they will be rendered harmeless. Marginalized to the 33 % of the electorate ,irrelevent as they should be.