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Maybe If President Obama Had Sold ILLEGAL Arms To Iran, Republicans Would Call Him A Hero
April 5, 2015
By Allen Clifton
As most people have probably heard by now, the U.S., several of our allies and the Iranian government agreed upon a historic deal pertaining to Irans nuclear program. Its a deal many experts are hailing as groundbreaking and some have even suggested that, if successful, could prevent a third world war down the line.
Now, clearly, any sort of talk like that is extremely premature as its very possible this deal could eventually fail. But its like Ive said before, I would rather try to give diplomacy a chance to succeed rather than send thousands of Americans off to die in a war that could have been avoided. Well, about a year and a half ago I wrote an article with a headline very similar to this when all of these talks were still basically in their infancy stage. At the time, I mocked Republicans for being outraged that President Obama might dare try to use diplomacy to deal with Iran (some even suggesting hes betraying his country) when almost every member of the GOP hails Ronald Reagan as a conservative legend and American icon yet he illegally sold arms to Iran. Sure, Oliver North is the one who ultimately gets tagged with the blame, but you have to be an absolute moron to honestly believe that arms were being illegally sold to the Iranian government and the Reagan administration knew nothing about it.
But could you imagine the right-wing freak-out if, instead of simply agreeing to the framework of a deal on Irans nuclear program with several of our allies, the Obama administration was caught selling weapons illegally to the Iranian government?
read more: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/maybe-president-obama-illegal-arms-iran-republicans-call-hero/
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)...noses.
I really mean a different body part but there might be children in their homes and I don't want to offend.
K/R
napkinz
(17,199 posts)here it comes, Republicans, your 19th Nervous Breakdown!
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)They had a disaster at their secret lair.
They all met in the back of the cave for a chili cookout one day.
And then suffocated later from inescapable chili farts!!
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I think Jerry would have a BALL.
(note to cavers, use your google, and get ready to party)
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The the PSU posters are probably pulling their lower hairs out by the fistfull over this.
niyad
(113,552 posts)cranial containers into a nether orifice.
They dedicated a thread to my brain!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Walker may want to give Iran the nuclear bomb.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Scott Walker 'Absolutely' Would 'Disown' US Nuclear Deal With Iran
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-disown-iran-us-nuclear
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)but it sure as hell was well done
napkinz
(17,199 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)Its like Ive often quipped, if President Obama did some of the things Reagan and/or George W. Bush did while they were in office, Republicans would be absolutely losing their minds. Yet to listen to many of them talk about President Obama, youd think he was one of the most traitorous and deceitful in American history.
Read more at: http://www.forwardprogressives.com/maybe-president-obama-illegal-arms-iran-republicans-call-hero/
The GOpeee have been adept at spinning things over the years. They have become masters at it.
Thank you, this is great, napkinz.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts). . . one of them was a psychotic liar who never served a day of his life in combat, yet he wanted to kill 10s of 1000s of foreigners living in other countries so he could pretend he was like FDR, who actually had to lead the fight to win a world war, while simultaneously dragging the entire American economy into the toilet, handicapping the middle class for the next 20 years causing a world-wide panic resulting in the economies of nearly every other country in the entire world to stumble or completely collapse, at the very same time that he was handing out huge tax cuts in order to enrich his political buddies so they would donate generously to his re-election bid, as he also carved out huge loopholes in the tax code big enough for a semi to drive through, so as to make it common for corporations to steal even more money from the American people legally by mass producing faulty, shoddy products without ever being held accountable for it by the consumers!!!!
And the other one was Dubya Bush.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)fasttense
(17,301 posts)To the Iranian terrorists. He promised to sell weapons to the terrorists holding the American hostages if they held on to those hostages until he was made president. The minute he was sworn in, they released the hostages. See he was just keeping a promise he made to terrorists.
Now his promises to the American people, those he ignored.
Hekate
(90,793 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You rock, napkinz.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)spanone
(135,873 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)malaise
(269,157 posts)St. Ronnie sold weapons to Iran - the sheeple don't care.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)cleduc
(653 posts)some Republicans heads might explode if they they were able to give this some thought
erronis
(15,328 posts)That it means them.
Great post, napkinz!
napkinz
(17,199 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)very much for splashing the truth across many minds.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)his death...so maybe that is why they bow to him. His administration
kept going in the Shrubs, Colin Powell, John Negroponte, Wolfowitz, Baker, Abrams.
A cat with 9 lives, that Reagan...pretense for war is their middle name.
mountain grammy
(26,648 posts)He would have bombed anyone Bibi told him to bomb. That's why he wasn't elected. That's why.
But, both parties are exactly the same..
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Shit, they would have started impeachment proceedings against Rmoney if he were President and didn't start a war with Iran!!
napkinz
(17,199 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)but you do know that President Obama is a black man, right?
If President Obama walked on water the GOP would say that it "proves" that blacks cannot swim.
As to the Iran Contra deal, Racist Ronnie was well on the way to senility at that point and probably believed whatever George H.W. Bush told him.
Stardust
(3,894 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I'd like to personally shove in the face of every stupid arrogant know-nothing, progress-hating, complacent, malwart shopping, inbreeding, gun toting, fact hating, bible thumping, idiot.
Cha
(297,651 posts)since.
Mahalo napkinz, brilliant!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)sheshe2
(83,898 posts)I can only rec once!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Their ability to deceive themselves and ignore the relevant facts is pretty amazing. They live and reason within a fantasy universe of their own creation. One could dismiss them as being insane if it were not that they have an inappropriate amount of political power and an .
irregularly large mouthpiece for their propaganda dillusions.
I do think the American people wouldn't stand for their shit if they managed to put 2 and 2 together. Unfortunately, attentions are short and many just dismiss it all with "both sides are equally corrupt." I guess we just have to keep working on sorting the truth from their relentless propaganda.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)to look at a picture of the architect of our current problems...
appalachiablue
(41,171 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)calimary
(81,461 posts)Thanks for posting this. The compilation is outstanding!!! Very usable and shareworthy!
The only thing I can think of in response to the last paragraph here is - this just seems to be yet another in a nauseatingly lengthy series of comparisons that highlight ONLY ONE DIFFERENCE between President Obama and fill-in-the-blank-here: skin color.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Ain't this just fucking rich eh? That bastard Rayguns armed Iran in the first place! Where the hell was Bibi then? Cheering him on with all the teahaddists in this country I bet!
The dirty bastards insult and drag through the dirt our good president who tries to keep the peace and right the wrongs of that lousy traitor Rayguns!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)BTW:
This guy was a Conservative.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)LeftishBrit
(41,210 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)I wonder how entertaining it is for the conservative lurkers?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Romeo.lima333
(1,127 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)And Reagan's Rumsfeld would arm Iraq before wanting to go to war with them later when working for Bushco...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html
and McCain recently was advocating arming ISIS after meeting with them too.
http://wonkette.com/552931/heres-a-picture-of-john-mccain-hanging-out-with-isis-freedom-fighters-in-2013
napkinz
(17,199 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... when working with our enemies against our country's interests!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)but you must dig into the US memory hole to learn about it . .
One of my recent articles . .
http://www.juancole.com/2015/03/americas-memory-hole.html
This is what "American exceptionalism" means - one can do really
awful things and refuse to even acknowledge them.
If some nation did to the US what we did to Iran we would turn
that country into a parking lot at the first opportunity.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)what Ike did, if one considers regional issues. Please remember that during this time the Iraq-Iran War was raging, a senselessly brutal slaughter that dragged on to a stalemate in 1988. Here's why Reagan was worse than Ike, imo: at the exact same time that Reagan was selling arms to the Iranians (as the 'arms' part of the 'arms-for-hostages' component of Iran-Contra), he was dispatching Rumsfeld to Baghdad on a secret mission to re-establish diplomatic and commercial relations with Iraq and to provide Iraq with crucial military intelligence about Iranian troop dispositions). Why? Reagan wanted to use Iraq as a buffer against Iranian designs on the Gulf States and appeals to the majority Shi'a population in Saudi Arabia's oil fields in the east and south of Saudi Arabia.
IOW, Reagan was arming both sides in a war. That is some seriously fucked-up shit, even by the deplorable standards of American exceptionalism. Even if most Americans are unaware of this history, rest assured the people of the region are all to famiiar with our two-faced treachery.
Here's a little photo from the memory hole (December 20, 1983):
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)staggerleem
(469 posts)... is that the records of the deal that was struck between the Reagan CAMPAIGN (no, he WASN'T President yet!) and Iran might be revealed in it's entirety.
When Bani-sadr was elected President of Iran in 1980, he went to the Mullahs and said "We should let the hostages go," and was told "We can't!"
Bani-sadr has written about this incident, but it was never widely reported. By the summer of 1980, Iran was ALREADY getting parts to repair their weapons & jets, and all they had to do was to hold the hostages until Reagan was inaugurated. Which is why the plane carrying the hostages home took off at nearly the EXACT moment that Reagan's hand touched the Bible on the morning of Jan. 20, 1981.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)by NEIL A. LEWIS,
Published: April 15, 1991
WASHINGTON, April 14 Persistent but unproven accusations that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign negotiated a secret deal with Iran to prevent the release of American hostages until after the election are being revived this week with fresh accounts of meetings between campaign officials and an Iranian cleric.
One of the accounts is provided by Gary Sick, a Middle East specialist who helped handle the Iranian hostage crisis as a member of the White House staff in the Carter Administration. Mr. Sick, in an article published Monday on the Op-Ed page of The New York Times, says he has heard what he considers to be reliable reports that a secret deal involving the hostages was begun during two meetings between William J. Casey and the Iranian cleric in a Madrid hotel in July 1980.
The allegation that there were meetings between Mr. Casey, Mr. Reagan's campaign chairman, who went on be the Director of Central Intelligence, and Hojatolislam Mehdi Karrubi, a representative of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, has been reported for the first time by Mr. Sick. Research for a Book
He says in his article that the accounts of the meetings in Madrid are part of an accumulation of information he has developed in research for a book. He says it has led him to conclude, despite earlier doubts, that some kind of discussions took place between the Reagan campaign and Iran.
read more: http://www.nytimes.com/1991/04/15/world/new-reports-say-1980-reagan-campaign-tried-to-delay-hostage-release.html
stage left
(2,966 posts)And kicked out of the White House. The Great Communicator.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)OH MY Gawwwwd. This was such a delicious group of photo's. I hope you don't mind my stealing them for use on a battleground political board? I am soooo enjoying watching fundies heads and keyboards explode on this. Nothing gets them so worked up as slamming Saint Reagan.