When will a Hillary Operative show up on DU?

[RobertEarl]

I look forward to the day (soon?) when the Clinton campaign assigns one or more people to post on DU.

I wonder if they will come right out and state their intentions and who pays them? I, for one, will be happy if they are honest and open.

Let the debates begin!

[tularetom]

1. You haven't been paying attention around here lately, have you?

They've already fucking arrived and in action.

Well, everything but the "state their intentions" and the "honest and open" part.

[hrmjustin]

2. Oh? who gets paid here?

[tularetom]

4. I don't know because they haven't been honest and open

But I feel their presence.

[hrmjustin]

5. This is a rather crappy post.

[hrmjustin]

7. Yeah by the admins, hosts, and mirt.

[mylye2222]

42. Yes. Managed already by Big Team Clinton.

That is why anyone who post critics towards Hillary get his/her thread polluted and destroyed as soon as its online.

[Agschmid]

53. No...

That happens because a it turns out most of the party support her, and a lot of those people are sick of seeing right wing meme posted as accurate news stories.

When even a non-Hillary supporter feels they need to "defend her" in thread after thread it gets ridiculous.

[hrmjustin]

58. No it is called being challenged.

[Hekate]

114. Do many other people in France feel as negatively as you do about US politics?

Genuinely curious here.

[mylye2222]

117. Yes they do.

Especially when it copes to dinastyes such as Bishes and Clintons.
The only current dinasty we have in politics currently is... the LePens. We had before decades ago in the center right. But they never took over a whole party like the LePens

[Hekate]

125. You might share more details about that from time to time, as it's closer to home for you

[RobertEarl]

8. If they are paid

They aren't worth being paid. I would think an operative would be someone who was skilled at debate and getting people to like Hillary... I haven't seen that. Have you?

[tularetom]

10. Nope, they appear to take a rather heavy handed approach to debate

Their tactics include"

-Accusations of right wing trollism

-Accusations of sexism

-Insistence on "inevitabilty' as a reason to support Clinton.

-Name calling and ad hominem attacks ("Hillary haters&quot

-Incredible leaps of logic used to justify past questionable actions like her vote for the IWR

No, they aren't persuasive nor do they appear to be skilled debaters.

But they are fucking persistent, I'll give them that.

[Marr]

21. Well, that's pretty much what distinguished them last time around, too.

They used pretty much the same approach in 2008. I don't think they do their candidate any favors, but hey-- I probably run into 20 people every day who suck at their jobs.

[mylye2222]

44. I already had come numerous yime under the first accusation.

[LuvLoogie]

27. Okay Yoda...

Yeesh

[YoungDemCA]

94. "I don't have any evidence they're here..."

"I just know they're here."

[pnwmom]

104. Oooooooooooooooooooooo..........................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LiberalElite]

118. I'd describe it as overbearing nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. I have amassed a eight figure fortune for my work here.

[hrmjustin]

56. Damn it! Where the hell is my check?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

57. I will forward your handle to my bag man./NT

[Renew Deal]

30. Name names

[hrmjustin]

3. Unrec!

[Man from Pickens]

9. Pretty sure they've been here for some time

some people act like its their mission to do nothing but promote her and pooh-pooh the possibility of any competing candidate entering the race

[elleng]

76. Yes, some do.

[SheilaT]

11. I don't know if they are actual paid operatives,

but the Hillary group absolutely does not tolerate dissent, and elsewhere across DU they treat those who doubt the Perfection of Hillary as scum.

[hrmjustin]

12. That is because the room is for supporters only.

Read the sop.

[SheilaT]

31. Unfortunately, that means the room is nothing but an echo chamber,

and when the supporters are elsewhere on DU they are shocked that not everyone worships Hillary Clinton and believes she's the best of all possible Presidential candidates. A room for supporters is just fine, but the unwillingness to listen to any counter opinions is disturbing.

Let me compare that to the Gun forums. I frequently post my strong opposition to guns, and I am not banned there. What a difference.

[leftofcool]

39. You can always form your own anti-Hillary group.

Her supporters promise not to post there.

[AtomicKitten]

41. a promise you can't keep

Clinton supporters already post in both the Elizabeth Warren and Populist Reform Groups and don't respect the SOP.

[hrmjustin]

50. And they have been banned.

Do you support the host banning them?

[onenote]

105. And yet you're still here.

Kind of rebuts your point.

[hrmjustin]

107. On DU? What is your point?

[hrmjustin]

48. We don't want the room to be anything but supporters.

The fact is there are rules to the site and we as hosts enfirce them.

We are a small safe haven and there is not reason for those who dislike Clinton to break the rules and violate ththe safe haven.

[sheshe2]

106. Oh Justin, welcome to my world.

As a Bog member and host, let me say, you are going to be soooooo trashed. They say to hell with the SOP. You are an echo chamber.


Same words, different groups. Hold on to your hat justin, you are in for a ride. She throws her hat in, I will be there with you. We will go down in the history of DU as two of the most hated groups at DU. We will surpass HoF and AA.

[hrmjustin]

108. At this point I accept it. i knew that becoming a host in the HRC room was going to

cause issue for me but I will get through it.

I have several friends on DU that vehemently disagree with me but we look past the issue.

We will move beyond this.

[DonCoquixote]

13. If she does not have Operatives here

Then she is not doing her job

[SidDithers]

14. "I, for one, will be happy if they are honest and open."...

Sid

[RobertEarl]

23. Sid!!

Please Sid, don't ever leave DU.

[Art_from_Ark]

35. Yeah, Sid's always good for some well-reasoned debate

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(That is, if you consider to be "well-reasoned debate&quot

[freshwest]

116. Sid, and there I thought you were going to welcome our female overlords! Muahaha! n/t

[Thinkingabout]

15. If anyone is getting paid it is the Rove type people who continues to run the same talking points

over and over, don't know how much they are paid, I work for Hillary for free.

[hrmjustin]

16. I want to know where the hell my check is from Hillary.

[Thinkingabout]

17. May come from all the money some are accusing the CGI of laundering, again, I will be glad to work

for free to get Hillary elected, we need her.

[Dwayne Hicks]

19. I am read for Hillary

She has my vote if she is the nominee.

[hrmjustin]

20. I guess we should expect insulting threads and responses like this going foward.

I know I have my bad moments and a few here are having theirs.

I guess it is a sign of fruetration on their pwrt.

[Dwayne Hicks]

18. Does this really happen?

I always thought this was just one of those tongue in cheek remarks. Does the OP really think this happens here?

[RobertEarl]

22. I do not believe so

Not yet are there any paid Hillary operatives on DU. Paid operatives would be influential in a nice way. I look forward to seeing professionals.

[Thinkingabout]

24. Are you paid?

[RobertEarl]

26. You owe me?

Thinkaboutit, You should pay me, I am good, eh? <grin>

Seriously, I look forward to professionals coming to DU and debating in real terms and not the amateur schtick we've been dealing with.

[Thinkingabout]

45. Never do I owe you, why do you think anyone is paid unless you may be paid.

As long as the truth can sneak past the cognitive dissonance.

[NCTraveler]

130. Hypothetically.

If my job was to promote nuclear energy, I would absolutely pay poster to act anti-nuke and make fools of themselves. I imagine a certain person would be my highest paid poster.

[RobertEarl]

132. Your personal attacks are nasty

You dare not enter a thread where I do openly discuss nuclear power, eh?

[NCTraveler]

133. Not really nasty.

At all. I dare to do a lot of things. Nothing on du rises to the level of needing a dare. Very interesting persona to think so. I have read and replied in some of your NE threads. So your dare has been met without needed to be dared.

[ScreamingMeemie]

52. No. Not in my opinion. There are enough people willing to carry the water for free.

*disclaimer: this is with regard to any candidate before someone gets upset with me for not being a fan of Ms. Clinton.

[Agschmid]

54. This...

[jobycom]

115. Sort of. Campaigns pay workers to seed their messages. Clinton got the brunt of it in 2008

There were a lot of anti-Clinton shills who would pop in here to set the message for whatever story was popular back then. I remember one such story about flag burning. Drudge reported Clinton was trying to pass a law against flag burning, and the shills came here and started that whole "I can't believe Hillary is supporting a ban on flag burning ARGHHH!!!!11" outrage. By the time people had read the story and gathered the facts, the story had already been set in people's minds as "Clinton is so eager for Republican support that she is joining them on flag burning!" (I suspect there are people around here who still believe that). Obama and Edwards got the same treatment, but not as badly as Clinton because they weren't on top of the polls as long. (This is one argument for not being the front-runner going into an election).

So I have no doubt Clinton's staff will do like other campaigns' staffs and try to seed the arguments and get their points out before others define them. Same as any challenger to Clinton will do, same as the Republicans will do, etc. It's just how politics works. It's not that they are paying shills specifically to argue on DU. It's that they all have an orchestrated effort to control and spread their message, and that effort includes having paid staff who, amongst other jobs, uses the message boards.

They also send faxes and emails to news agencies, spread whisper campaigns among community organizations like churches or activist groups, and do just about everything above or below board that they can think of. Basically, if you know something about a campaign, what you know got to you because of a paid effort by the campaign or the campaign's challengers.

So, the OP seems to be accusing only Clinton, but whoever you support or oppose, they will have someone here.

[delrem]

25. This will be a $2+billion election.

The money is being spent now.

We all know that. It isn't a secret.

This will be an interesting election.

Granting the anointment of HRC to the leadership of the Democratic Party going into the 2016 election, I expect the Republican Party to run to her left. That'll be easy to do, everywhere except in the absolute tea-party Palinesque fundamentalist territory, which is the Republican Party's most assured voting base anyway.

So I hope the Democratic Party doesn't do that. I don't want to see the Democratic Party routed, especially for that reason.

[Thinkingabout]

46. Get your candidate ready and have them declare to run, raise hell because no one

Wants to run. I can see why many would never run with the treatment given to candidates.

[LuvLoogie]

28. You never know...

[NBachers]

29. Message to Secret Hillary Operative Group- Activate Bravo Delta! Meet at secret hidden DU location.

The Vince Foster cell will continue with Operation Whitewater. Comrade Clinton will issue new directives at beginning of next lunar phase from her bunker under the Mena Airfield. Money has been wired to the clandestine accounts.

[pnwmom]

32. LOL. n/t

[leftofcool]

38. LOl!

[freshwest]

47. We'll be at run down offices near telephone poles with this handbill on it:

We have to keep a low profile! Don't fall for anything that looks mainstream. She is accused by the RWNJs of being a fringe left winger who will continue all of Obama's policies! Oh, goodie!

[NBachers]

97. Good- I can see you're following the subtle cloaking influence method for Democratic Underground.

They'll never guess we're steering them our way with our velvety ünter-prop.

[Hekate]

82. All quiet in my sector

Rose Law Firm cell brings important dossier

[NBachers]

98. Delivered, I assume, by Susan McDougal in a tightly-clenched trench coat and wrap-around sunglasses.

[Hekate]

100. Oh honey, tightly clenched is only the beginning with that one

But dossiers she definitely has. It's just that you have to pry them from her tightly clenched fingers.

[NBachers]

111. The sleeping fools! They'll never guess what we're doing

[Hekate]

112. Bwahahaha

....and then we'll take over DU. It will be ours, all ours, and daily Clinton-worship will be mandatory.

Oh hush -- did I say too much?

[Lil Missy]

33. Hillary can win the primary and general without a single vote from DU.

I doubt she'd waste the time or money to concern herself with DU.

[MoonRiver]

64. Exactly

There's a whole lot of vastly over inflated egos on this site.

[TerrapinFlyer]

126. Exactly... and there seems to be a correlation to the amount of posts as well.

The more posts they have, the bigger the ego.

I have to wonder why ANYONE would have over 50,000 posts on ANY forum.. even over a 10 year period.

And for transparency, I have been reading DU since... well before the Tea Party ever existed... but never signed up to make posts, just browsed. But I have been an active Democrat locally. I always thought DU represented a great progressive point of view, but whenever primaries come along, it turns into a cesspool of name calling -- that achieves nothing for our Dem Party.

[Frances]

34. How do we know that a Cruz or Rand Paul or Jeb Bush supporter is not being paid

to post comments against Clinton?

I have been posting on this board since the board's earliest days and I support Hillary. I do NOT get paid.

After Obama won the nomination, I worked hard for him in 2008 and 2012

But that's because I am a good Democrat.

And I think Republicans are a disaster.

[Bobbie Jo]

40. That scenario is actually more likely.

What an odd OP.

[RobertEarl]

71. There may be republicans here

Here to make Hillary look bad, and alienate folks from supporting Hillary. Then there are those who do so accidentally.

As stated in the OP, I look forward to a real paid Hillary poster because then that person can go back to the campaign HQ and let them know how the people are reacting to the campaign. I doubt they even think of us these days.

[FSogol]

65. True: Republicans are a disaster.

[stonecutter357]

36. is my check in the mail yet?

[GummyBearz]

124. No

She needs at least another few million dollars from wall street/MIC before it trickles down to you

[mahina]

37. I'll be a Hillary worker, as soon as she wins the primary, if she does.

And if that happens, I will work my tail off for her. I will be tail-free.

But till that happens, I'm for O'Malley.

And while I'm here, what's the dif between a supporter and an 'operative'? Isn't there a more cloak and dagger-y name for a volunteer that we could use?

Aparatchik? Or in this case, aparatchick?

[Warren Stupidity]

43. wrong tense. nt.

[brooklynite]

51. With all due respect to the gang here...no campaign worries about what gets posted on DU...

[Adrahil]

61. Of that, I think you may be mistaken.

I think any modern campaign has to be VERY in tune with what's going on in the intertubes. If she doesn;t care about what's happenig here, she SHOULD.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

67. Very few Dem politicians post here.

Alan Grayson comes to mind. DU's finger is miles away from the pulse of the Democratic Party. Pols would be better off posting on reddit or facebook than on DU.

[Adrahil]

59. How will you tell?

Will any Hillary supporter be labeled as an "operative?"

Sometimes Democrats are our own worst enemies.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

60. How will you tell?

You can see their horns.


SARCASM

[Adrahil]

63. =:-) n/t

[ileus]

62. We are her supporters, and sooner than later you will be too.

[nolabels]

68. Not likely

The marriage, a fascist state, where the population is obliged to do as the corporations wish, coming to a neighborhood near you

[cascadiance]

66. She's got plenty of "time" to do an onslaught soon...

[Metric System]

69. Where's my check, dammit?!? Do any other potential candidates offer more? Asking for a friend.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

70. Pay someone to manipulate the 40 or so regular posters here? I don't think so. nt

[Beacool]

72. Sure, because Hillary supporters must be paid.

Why else would they support her?

Remind me, is this a Democratic site or not? FYI, there are millions of Hillary supporters in the real world. Why would her campaign waste money paying anyone to post here? DU is not that important.

Nice divisive post.....

[NYC Liberal]

73. When will a Warren or a Sanders "operative" show up?

That question is just as silly as the one in the OP.

[RobertEarl]

74. Soon, one hopes

The campaigns would be wise to have professionals posting and reading DU and informing the campaigns about what it is we are thinking.

I see above a poster deriding DU and all I can figure is that poster is not too wise?

[zappaman]

75. When will a Joe Biden operative show up?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

77. As soon as

they will BeFree.

[guillaumeb]

78. The term "Hillary operative" sounds interesting and all,

but baseless accusations are not to be confused with actual proof. Facts should compete with facts. I am not a supporter of HRC, but if she best represents my position in the election she will have my vote. As would whomever else the Democratic party decides on.

[BainsBane]

87. Proof is irrelevant

This is part of an ongoing effort to target the internal enemy he started a few weeks ago: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6347091

If he actually wanted to debate a particular point, he would raise an issue, any issue. Instead, we see that the enemy is not capital, the 1 percent, Wall Street, but rather ordinary Democratic voters. Here you have a political worldview based entirely on seething resentment toward one woman, an undeclared presidential candidate. Anyone whose identity is not build around opposition to Hillary Clinton is thus the enemy, needs to be rooted out, banished, exposed. People can't simply disagree. They must be paid to do so because there is no legitimate thought that diverges from his.

[guillaumeb]

92. and of course the counter argument

that the poster is being compensated to attack HRC would be equally valid?

In "defense" of the posts, it is much easier to engage in character assassination than real, issue-specific debate. Much better by far to discuss who is the most authentic "true" Democrat rather than work toward solutions.

[Hekate]

102. Ugh. I remember that thread.

Things are getting ugly around here, and for what?

[great white snark]

79. Why show up at all? The "anyone but Hilary" operatives aren't important enough to counter.

Leave the bubble..the air is clearer out there.

[BainsBane]

80. As opposed to those dedicated to Democratic defeat in 2016?

I'll take a Clinton operative over a Republican any day, or so-called liberals who post GOP talking points and are indistinguishable from Republicans. But that's just me, being a Democrat and all, I tend to be biased in favor of Democrats, which is why I signed up for a site called Democratic Underground.

It would be nice to see people stand for something, advocating for something, anything, other than defeating a single Democratic candidate. When that is all they post about, it becomes pretty clear that is all they care about.

[Beacool]

84. This....

[Andy823]

86. Yep

We already have enough right wing operatives and libertarians, so I agree with you since this is a board for Democrats to discuss things, I don't see anything wrong with having some Democratic operatives here also!

[DonCoquixote]

101. some people

who hjave concerns about Hillary do not ape right wing points, but have concerns about how much she actually will listen to the left. Again, I will repeat the loyalty oath to vote for whoever the D party nominates, but do you expect people NOT to try to inflence Hillary to bend left? Or are we just the servants who cook the food and take out the trash?

[BainsBane]

109. What I would like is to see people argue FOR something

or at least FOR someone. Thus far, the posts have been all about projecting the ills of capitalism and American politics onto Hillary Clinton. It is largely projection. Part of the problem is that we don't actually have any candidates yet, so we don't even see anything as rational as I prefer A because of x, y and z. I personally don't see why fantasy presidential elections need to go on years in advance of any actual elections but the fact is too many seem to care about nothing else. They rail against corporate media but advance a view of politics entirely shaped by that media. I wish people actually cared about something--some issue or cause--and argued about that. Instead, we see inane arguments about what people imagine Clinton or someone else to represent, notions that often times are not borne out by actual positions she has taken.

To say you want to move Clinton to the left doesn't say much to me because people have such different ideas of what that means. I see a lot of people here who I see as fairly conservative proclaim themselves to be "the left" and then insult anyone who disagrees with them as Third way. If people wanted to effect policy on a particular area, they could use this space to organize around that. But accusing people of being corporatist or claiming themselves more leftist doesn't amount to much of anything.

Then there is the fact that what you or I write here has exactly zero influence on Clinton or anyone else in the party. There does seem to be some influence on the membership here, who increasing aggregate around the group think, but you shouldn't imagine that it actually amounts to anything other than arguing with one another here.

So absent actual candidates or debates on issues, people project onto Clinton a set of notions consolidated through group think. It amounts to a whole lot of noise. It doesn't really matter what I think or say about it. It's going to go on, and the only potential impact will be to convince some of the members here that voting is pointless, or they will vote Third Party and a few may even vote Republican. I suspect the numbers aren't large enough to have an impact on the outcome of the election.

[KittyWampus]

121. how does an opening post that's just shy of McCarthyism address having concerns about Hillary?

The OP is intentionally divisive and attempts to create an atmosphere of distrust among all posters here.

It's one thing to not want Hillary as nominee, it's another to insult and belittle her supporters by calling them "operatives".

[RobertEarl]

129. Bwahahaha

`Just shy of McCarthyism? Bwahahahaha

One reason I long for a paid operative is so that person can stop some here from making such stupid accusations as yours.

And you even made an OP of the derangement. Bwahahahah

Please, Hillary, I beg you, send someone to DU to keep your supporters from making you look bad.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

81. Okay I'll fess up

I get an EBT card for every pro-Hillary post. If I get enough of them I'm going to take a Caribbean cruise.

[workinclasszero]

83. I will gladly be voting democratic party 100% in 2016

Top to bottom.

Q. When are the reich wing shills going to leave DU?

A. 1 minute after we have chosen the official democratic candidate, I trust.

[KamaAina]

85. I'm pretty sure that ship sailed a while ago

at least on an unofficial basis.

[NCTraveler]

88. I look forward to it.

We need a counter movement to the group currently posing as progressives attacking from the left. I have often wondered if you are paid by the nuclear power industry.

Jurors please note, there are a number of posts to the op stating the exact same thing I did, only stating they are Clinton operatives that are already here. I do understand the ignorance involved in making my comment and the comments they are making. If tit is going to be allowed without problem, so should tat.

[zappaman]

89. When will a John Kerry Operative show up on DU?

[Jester Messiah]

90. The answer can probably be stated as a negative number.

I already got thrown out of the Hillary hugbox for decrying it as such. But I'll wear that ban with pride, because echo chambers are pitiful.

[Godhumor]

91. For fuck's sake, seriously?

OP strikes me as nothing but grandiose paranoia. (They're going to come here to influence is because DU is so important to elections!)

[hifiguy]

93. They've been here for a while. That is pretty obvious.

[YoungDemCA]

95. When will an Elizabeth Warren operative show up on DU?

Or a Bernie Sanders operative.

Oh, wait.

[Jester Messiah]

96. As the old saying goes...

Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations.

[nolabear]

99. Ruh-roh. Jig's up. How'd you figure it out?

It's the fancy font and all the new emoticons isn't it? 😛

[6000eliot]

103. The place seems to be crawling with ANTI-Hillary operatives.

[zappaman]

110. When will an Obama Operative show up on DU?

[MFM008]

113. I support Clinton

for GODS sake will someone pay me. someone? anyone?

[B Calm]

119. So are you saying anyone who posts positive posts about Hillary and are not trying to divide

the Democratic party, are paid by the Hillary campaign? This OP should be hidden!

[oberliner]

120. Hilarious that people actually think this is a thing

Or should I say, Hillary-larious?

[brooklynite]

122. DU is a subset of a subset of the Democratic vote...

...and is often completely at odds with it.

Why on earth would any campaign waste resources trying to influence opinions here?

[libpride_15]

123. I sure know Republicans in sheep's clothing are here

Some inevitably will go Nader on the left, trying to ruin it for all

[liberal N proud]

127. About the same time anti Hillary operatives showed up

It is a two way street I believe.

[RobertEarl]

128. Interesting responses, eh?

I thought I was pretty clear that I feel there are no paid Hillary campaign 'Operatives' on DU.

To clarify, I doubt there are any paid campaign 'Operatives' on DU. Mainly because there are no campaigns as of this date.

[Rex]

131. .

Can't we all just be friends and sign this loyalty oath?