Live forever, you fuzzy little fuckstick

[WilliamPitt]

Krystle Campbell was a friend. My best friend crossed the finish line scant seconds before the explosions. His wife and two young sons were caught between the detonations, and she had to shepherd their kids into an un-shattered storefront before going to look for her husband in the mayhem.

That being said...

The Marathon Bombing trial of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is over. On several occasions, when asked if I wish him the death penalty, I have replied, "I hope he lives forever." This has prompted several very well-meaning people to ask, "Why would you want that guy - an admitted killer and terrorist - to live forever?"

I'll tell you why.

First of all - and this is the easy one - this fuckstick *wants* to be a martyr, and he doesn't deserve the privilege. Neither did Timothy McVeigh, who died thinking he was a hero.

Second: Imagine living long enough to see everyone you love and care about - wife, children, family, friends, pets, everyone - die. Then imagine living long enough to make new friends, a new family, only to live long enough to watch all of them die. Then imagine doing it again, and again, and again, as an ocean of ceaseless years pile up behind you, until the stars burn out and you are the last living thing on a dead planet.

Then, it is to be hoped, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev would understand the well of sorrow he plunged the families of the people he blew in half into. It would be fitting punishment indeed, but I'll settle for him living a long life in a little room.

Live forever, you bastard. Live forever.

[In_The_Wind]

1. I agree. I hope he lives a long time.

[Kalidurga]

2. Same here

Live in solitary is horrible for most people. For this guy it will be very horrible he cared more about getting the approval of other people more than he cared about what is right. He worshipped his brother. He should be reminded a lot about his brother about how much he cared about him. F him.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. I could not agree more!

May he live forever.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

4. well said...

but seeing that isn't a viable option, let's put him in 6x6x6 cell with one small window looking out on the world and let him rot.

sP

[Paper Roses]

5. Live forever in solitary, I hope.

With the death penalty, he has about 15 years, pending all appeals. By that time, he will wish for life but there will be nothing he can do.

Life will be even more of a punishment for this animal.
I hope he has nightmares every night.

[rhett o rick]

6. I agree. nm

[11 Bravo]

7. I can be a little squishy on the DP, but that is as compelling ...

an argument as I'm ever likely to read for sticking them in a room for a very long time.

[herding cats]

8. I'm deeply sorry for your loss of a friend and the horrors everyone endured.

Nothing will ever change the loss and damage done that day.

I agree with you on wanting him to live a long life thinking about his actions, maybe even realizing at some point the needless pain he caused. The last thing I'd like to see done is give him the martyrdom he wants.

[Zorra]

9. It has always sucked to be him, and it is going to suck to be him far more with every

passing hour of every passing day for the rest of his life.

So sorry about your friend, and everyone else that was harmed by this RW religious wacko.

[NM_Birder]

10. I appreciate the sentiment, and personally I agree that knowing he

would suffer the rest of his life gives me a certain personal satisfaction. However, and this is kind of awkward.....

I am a death penalty advocate, not for the punishment factor per se, but for the reality of the rest of the humans. inmates who have zero chance of release eventually realize that with nothing to lose, preying on other people is all they have. So unless the prison system were to wake up and stop housing "never gonna get outs" with those that will eventually be released, my personal feeling is "why expose guards to assault, inmates to assault, pay the costs for animals that cannot ever be allowed to live among people again ? It's odd that I, as a death penalty supporter hasve the more humane solution....quick death. Not a lifetime of torture,.... even though it makes me smile to know that some are slowly going insane with the torture of prison, it would be more humane to put them to death, and focus the resources on those that can be made human enough to join society again.

So the prison system allows inmates to be exposed to violent predators, the staff to be subjected to caring for and being assaulted by violent predators when the more humane option is the one I advocate....death. Those whose life has been dedicated to harming the innocent deserve the most humane punishment, ....removal from the torture of thier wasted life. Society doesn't allow some to be a part of the human race, they are locked up forever, just so society can feel as though they are treating them in a more humane way then they treated their victims, when in fact life no parole advocates are advocating torture, a lifetime of it, for the prisoner, his inmate colleagues and the staff that are forced to deal with rabid human trash.

[MicaelS]

23. I agree completely.

This is why I support the Death Penalty.

[brooklynite]

28. No, this is why they developed SuperMax...

...he can't inflict harm on others because he doesn't have the chance to mix with them. Some people consider this torture. From my perspective, precisely because he's shown no consideration for other, he deserve a sustainable life but nothing beyond that.

[NM_Birder]

58. meh, like I said.

I won't deny that there is a certain personal satisfaction that the "civilized" solution of preserving the lives of human trash, is in fact the more de-humanizing and far more inhumane.

If a dog were to become so violent that it could never be let out of a solitary cage,... it would never be left to sink deeper into an insane existence and be confined alone to endure the constant pressure of isolation until it completely broke its own will live, and evolved into a furry mass of living crazy. No, it would be put down and everyone would get over it and move on.

When a person decides to be a rabid dog, and lives only to inflict pain and misery on anything around it, ......some believe that forcing it to endure suffering that they would not allow a dog to endure, is the "humane" thing to do.

I'm satisfied either way, I feel compassion only for the guards that have the responsibility of maintaining the rabid dogs of human trash. But in reality, the execution of a rabid dog is better for all involved, including the rabid dog. "Out of sight out of mind" gives some in society a warm feeling of being "humane" in the treatment of rabid dogs, but in my opinion, are actually advocating the cruelest of punishments.

Either way, there are certainly human animals that will never deserve societies compassion, for them I wish nothing but the most appropriate punishment, and so long as they are removed from society ........ fuck em.

[Gman]

11. Agreed. That's a fate much worse than death.

Death is the easy way out b

[Romeo.lima333]

12. he'll be so relieved that he didnt get the dp that he wont care

[csziggy]

13. He'll figure it out in a few decades

[dsc]

27. Oh sweet Jesus

can't straight people ever do anything wrong? Everytime some person does something awful we seek to say he is gay.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. No exit.

[sorefeet]

16. I don't believe in the DP either

I don't believe in torture(solitary). But I think his entire life in a prison knowing he will never see freedom ever again is a harsh and deserving fate. He is young and has a long life ahead. And I also can't understand why ANY religious person would want him killed. If he is a Christian and accepts Christ, he is forgiven and the second they throw the switch he is in heaven. If he is Muslim the second they lop off his head he is surrounded by a bunch of hot horny virgins. But them right wingers sure want him dead. And he will be waiting for them in THEIR heaven sayin "whazz up". So I say give him life in Hell on earth, prison.

[trof]

17. Amen. K&R

[TNNurse]

18. I am fine with my taxes going to keep horrific criminals alive.

Killing people for killing people has never made sense to me. I have no problem with them suffering for years.

[TDale313]

48. The death penalty actually costs more.

So even from a financial perspective life without the possibility of parole makes more sense.

[DinahMoeHum]

19. Agreed. The death penalty is not harsh enough.

For a self-righteous asshole like him with no remorse or forgiveness of heart, life in prison (and very likely in isolation) without parole is worse punishment than death.

[IronLionZion]

20. He'll have a few decades to think about it

he's a young dude. I just hope they don't let him off himself when he inevitably tries to take the coward's way out.

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. never mind

[SoapBox]

21. Our house absolutely agrees.

But I suppose the blood thirsty will want their pound of flesh...if he's executed, he and his ilk win after all.

[oldandhappy]

22. Yes, thinking the same.

Life will be much harder on he who wants to be a hero martyr. Thank you for articulating this.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

24. Look at how many people shoot themselves rather than face prison....

They really believe prison is a fate worse than death.

So, logically, give them their fate worse than death.

[rug]

25. What do you say if he lives long enogh to realize what he did?

[brooklynite]

29. How would he prove that?

There's a point of no return, and he's passed it.

[rug]

31. Who say he has to prove it to anyone?

If he realized it, he'd know it.

And there is no point of no return for human beings. We are not static automatons.

[brooklynite]

33. If your position is that he deserves a change in his situation if he realizes what he did...

...my position stands. If your position is that he COULD realize what he did, and nothing else would change, then I don't care.

[rug]

35. Do you have a rationale for that position?

[brooklynite]

39. As I said...

...you could never prove to my satisfaction that he had realized what he did, therefore would deserve no change from the nothing more than basic life without parole he deserves.

[rug]

42. Proving something to your satisfaction is not a rationale.

Unless you are part of the Bureau of Prisons.

Sounds like simple lethargic vengeance.

[brooklynite]

49. But we don't have the Bureau of Prisons here...

...this is a debate among DU members.

Personally, I'm happy to leave the matter up to the Bureau of Prisons; I suspect you aren't.

[rug]

50. We don't have a rationale here either.

[brooklynite]

51. My rationale

1) Tsarnaev has shown a complete disregard for the lives and well-being of other.

2) I oppose the death penalty, and support life imprisonment without parole

3) Sustaining life calls for food, shelter and medical care. Since Tsarnaev has shown a complete disregard for the lives and well-being of innocent people, I have no reason to believe he would have any greater regard for the lives and well-being of other prisoners or prison staff. Therefore, a life limited to those three components and isolated from others is appropriate.

4) As I said before, there is no objective way to determine if his disregard the lives and well-being of others will change in the future.

Clear enough?

[brooklynite]

26. I would concur...

...the best thing that could happen would be 1) the world forgets about him, and 2) he watches the world throw off the religious chains he feels are so important.

[Fumesucker]

52. According to Pew your #2 is not going to happen..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218191626

"By the year 2100, about 1 per cent more of the world’s population would be Muslim (35 per cent) than Christian (34 per cent)," the authors wrote.

According to the Pew Research Centre, the religiously unaffiliated - referring to atheists, agnostics and other people who do not identify with a religion - are declining as a share of the population.

[seveneyes]

30. Misery loves company

Don't take me alive ...

[cwydro]

32. Thanks for this.

There are threads right now actually sympathizing with this criminal.

Right here on DU.

Sickened by these posters.

[Tommy2Tone]

34. I agree..

I hope he lives a long miserable fucking life.

[cwydro]

36. Another thread going at this same time, with DUers

who seem to have sympathy for the fuckstick.

I'm sickened by them.

[NuclearDem]

40. Yes, that's exactly what's happening.

[cwydro]

43. I cannot tell you how flattered I am,

that you told me you were done with me, but yet are following me even to other threads.

[NuclearDem]

44. Don't worry buddy, you're on ignore now.

[cwydro]

46. Oh dear.

You tired of following me?

I'm not a "buddy" by the way.

Bless your heart.

[cwydro]

38. kick.

[NuclearDem]

41. Holy fuck.

And I thought I'd never see the day when I'd be putting WillPitt on ignore.

But here it is.

Enough with the damned torture and agony fantasies people. Jesus Christ.

[cwydro]

45. Ok dear.

I will call the Waahmbulance for you.

Perhaps the fainting couch might help in the meantime.

[melman]

56. Why do people announce who they've put on ignore?

Nobody cares.

[pansypoo53219]

53. death is easy.

[Aerows]

54. You have changed my mind

I hope he rots in jail for decades.

[quaker bill]

55. Given you can apparently get shot dead in the back for a broken tail light

I am still amazed he was captured alive. I agree, at this point a long life in solitary is sufficient.

[Dorian Gray]

57. The little

sociopath probably doesn't love his family and friends. People who love don't callously murder innocent people running a race.

Having said that, I agree with you about the death penalty.