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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 02:39 PM Apr 2015

‘It’s Racist As Hell': Inside St. Louis County’s Predatory Night Courts

by Erica Hellerstein Posted on April 10, 2015 at 9:01 am Updated: April 10, 2015 at 5:08 pm



ST. LOUIS COUNTY, MISSOURI — In 2004, Sean Bailey recalls, he was driving through the streets of St. Louis County en route to a party, when he saw a familiar black-and-white car out of the corner of his eye. He reached for his phone to warn the friend he was following to slow down, but it was too late; the cop blared his siren and pulled up behind him. Bailey, who had a warrant stemming from a failure to appear in court for unpaid traffic tickets, felt a familiar pang of anxiety. He knew exactly what was going to happen next.

“I was like, I’m going to get into this little orange jumpsuit and sit in this cold cell for a couple of days here,” the bespectacled St. Louis, Missouri native recalls, lighting a cigarette and blowing out a thin ribbon of smoke.

The officer ran Bailey’s name and discovered he had a warrant. Bailey was arrested and sent to jail in Florissant, a municipality in northern St. Louis County bordering Ferguson. When Bailey stepped inside his cell, he was greeted with a gust of cold air. It was chilly outside — maybe 20 degrees, he speculates — “and they had the AC blasting.” The interior was grimy, and “there were a lot of guys in there, beating on the cells and calling for [help] and nobody was coming.”

Bailey sits comfortably on the stoop of a red-brick apartment in North St. Louis County while his daughter, who is groggy with a cold, naps inside. The 35-year-old single father is homeless, and for the moment he’s staying in a relative’s place on a noisy street dotted with crumbling corner stores. Since 1995, Bailey estimates he’s been jailed upwards of 20 times throughout St. Louis County — tallying up to more than two months behind bars — for warrants stemming from traffic violations. At least once, he was subject to what some call “riding the circuit” — shuttled to jail in a handful of municipalities back-to-back after the officer who arrested him notified police in other municipalities where he had warrants. Bailey, diagnosed with an anxiety disorder and prone to regular panic attacks, says he once faked a heart attack in his cell just to get medical care.

“A lot of people were locked up with diabetes, high blood pressure, and they weren’t able to get their medicine. I had been locked up for days and I didn’t have my medication,” he pauses. “The paramedics got there and were like ‘he’s not having a heart attack but you might not want to keep him there anymore.’ It’s very stressful.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/10/3643582/worse-ferguson-week-st-louis-countys-egregious-night-courts/
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‘It’s Racist As Hell': Inside St. Louis County’s Predatory Night Courts (Original Post) MrScorpio Apr 2015 OP
it is disgusting Skittles Apr 2015 #1
Bailey, who had a warrant stemming from a failure to appear in court for unpaid traffic tickets seveneyes Apr 2015 #2
Jails and system designed to foment hate towards cops. It's working. L0oniX Apr 2015 #3
Aw man for Pete's sake! calimary Apr 2015 #4
That's because it's all about money... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #6
If MO Senate Bill 5 becomes law, then traffic fines JimDandy Apr 2015 #23
I'm willing to take it down to five percent of less... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #26
I'm with you on that. n/t JimDandy Apr 2015 #28
I don't think there should be any incentive to make a traffic stop. Quackers Apr 2015 #33
Our traffic laws are extremely subjective... MrScorpio Apr 2015 #34
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #9
ORLY? XemaSab Apr 2015 #12
What is this "an illegal" bullshit? More anecdotal "evidence" that "whitey" is oppressed? Save it. bettyellen Apr 2015 #20
Wow, seems all those areas are policed by corrupt cops! Making sure the population Rex Apr 2015 #5
It happens to all races. pintobean Apr 2015 #11
Yeah a shame it took the feds to get something done, all those rich white gated communities Rex Apr 2015 #13
You never answer my questions pintobean Apr 2015 #16
I wonder why none of the rich, white and powerful in the area never made a peep all these years? Rex Apr 2015 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author salib Apr 2015 #21
If you had $1000 to get through the next month XemaSab Apr 2015 #15
Again, is this unique to St. Louis County? pintobean Apr 2015 #18
Not at all, but saying "people should just pay their tickets" XemaSab Apr 2015 #22
Where did you get that quote? pintobean Apr 2015 #29
So why didn't all the white people stopped and harassed ever do that instead of getting their Lars39 Apr 2015 #31
Yeah, that's what happens pintobean Apr 2015 #32
White Ferguson officials fixed tickets for their friends and family members. Lars39 Apr 2015 #38
You're talking about Ferguson pintobean Apr 2015 #39
Your experience is not everyone's experience, nor necessarily the norm. Lars39 Apr 2015 #40
Right, it's just me and the black people paying the tickets. pintobean Apr 2015 #41
Naive to think it doesn't go on in a lot of places. Lars39 Apr 2015 #42
Read post #31 again. pintobean Apr 2015 #43
Well white privilege in that area is staggering, it is a shame not one person Rex Apr 2015 #19
Those are voluntary agreements only and cover only one MO county. JimDandy Apr 2015 #27
It's a start. pintobean Apr 2015 #30
Voluntary self-policing is never the start JimDandy Apr 2015 #36
Excellent article, highly recommend. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #7
Typical St. Louis. gordianot Apr 2015 #8
Typical America. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2015 #10
As a life long Missourian St. Louis is a pit. gordianot Apr 2015 #37
How pathetic. That is how it was around here in the 80s and 90s. Rex Apr 2015 #14
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #24
Wow ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2015 #25
When these systems are used for revenue generation, then they become corrupt and racist Gothmog Apr 2015 #35
 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
2. Bailey, who had a warrant stemming from a failure to appear in court for unpaid traffic tickets
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:17 PM
Apr 2015

I wonder what the authorities would have done if he was voted "Driver of the Year?"

calimary

(81,265 posts)
4. Aw man for Pete's sake!
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:46 PM
Apr 2015

"...a warrant stemming from a failure to appear in court for unpaid traffic tickets." Like this individual was a real threat to society or something.

Aw man... fouled on a technicality.

It's just stunning.

I wonder what kind of benefit-of-the-doubt a white kid pulled over like this would get.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
23. If MO Senate Bill 5 becomes law, then traffic fines
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:52 PM
Apr 2015

will be limited to 10% of a city's revenue. That bill was proposed this year partly in response to Mayor Gwaltney's (Edmonson, MO) letter and to the scandal of Ferguson's gross reliance on court fines to fund city government.

Currently, Missouri cities are limited by state law to raising 30% of their revenue from traffic fines (hence Ferguson's additional focus on court fines, which are not limited by that law), but the state hasn't been keeping careful watch, so some cities were exceeding that 30%.

Arrest Warrants (and the fines associated with them) for no-shows on traffic fine cases don't count as part of the traffic fine revenue limits, so these cities have had a huge incentive to issue warrants which generate an unstifled revenue stream from municipal court fines.

Bill 5 was heard in early March, but I don't know if it got through. What is needed in addition to that bill is a law limiting city revenue from warrants and other municipal court fines.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
26. I'm willing to take it down to five percent of less...
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:16 PM
Apr 2015

Thirty percent is an invitation to corruption

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
33. I don't think there should be any incentive to make a traffic stop.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:20 PM
Apr 2015

If the person is breaking the law, stop them. If you have to follow someone and wait for the slightest mistake to make a stop, it's wrong. Enforcing the law should never be incentive based.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
34. Our traffic laws are extremely subjective...
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:22 PM
Apr 2015

But it's quite clear that racial profiling is factored in here.

The incentives are the payoff.

Response to calimary (Reply #4)

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
20. What is this "an illegal" bullshit? More anecdotal "evidence" that "whitey" is oppressed? Save it.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:38 PM
Apr 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
5. Wow, seems all those areas are policed by corrupt cops! Making sure the population
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:49 PM
Apr 2015

stays next to almost being homeless at any given time. It's disgusting how certain people in those areas NEVER make any kind of stink to help out their more unfortunate neighbors.

I guess they love their white privilege too much to speak up.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
11. It happens to all races.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:22 PM
Apr 2015

The best defense is to obey the laws, but that doesn't always work. I've gotten several bogus tickets from lying cops. The next step is to show up for the court date and/or pay the fines. Anyone who doesn't ends up with warrants. Is this unique to St. Louis County and the munies there? I guess you get to choose whether you want to pay a traffic ticket, or not, and just blow off court dates with no warrants and penalties to follow.

The good news is that the county and the munies have agreed to uniform maximum fines and court costs.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/st-louis-county-municipal-courts-agree-to-uniform-fines-court/article_7851b8a5-52d3-59e6-804c-4f2883acbc77.html

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
13. Yeah a shame it took the feds to get something done, all those rich white gated communities
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:25 PM
Apr 2015

and not a peep from them for years. Really pathetic.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
16. You never answer my questions
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:32 PM
Apr 2015

you just reply with ridiculous things that have no relevance.

Do you get to blow off fines and court dates without fear of warrants and penalties, or not?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. I wonder why none of the rich, white and powerful in the area never made a peep all these years?
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:34 PM
Apr 2015

You think they just liked how things were going?

Response to pintobean (Reply #16)

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
15. If you had $1000 to get through the next month
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:30 PM
Apr 2015

and rent was $500 and food was going to be $300 and utilities were going to be $150 and your daughter's 8th birthday was coming up and you got a ticket for $150, what would you do?

Seriously, which one of these things would you blow off to pay the ticket? Or would you hope that the cops have better things to do than come after you for a lousy $150?

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
29. Where did you get that quote?
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:41 PM
Apr 2015

and/or show up to court
Did you miss that part?
Showing up and making arrangements for payments/jail time/community service is the other way to avoid warrants. The courts will work with people who can't pay. People know this and still never show up.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
31. So why didn't all the white people stopped and harassed ever do that instead of getting their
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:03 PM
Apr 2015

white friends to fix the tickets?

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
38. White Ferguson officials fixed tickets for their friends and family members.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 08:27 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/06/ferguson-judge-owes-unpaid-taxes-ronald-brockmeyer

snip..."The judge was also named among a group of white Ferguson officials found by Department of Justice
investigators to be writing off citations for themselves and friends while punishing residents for similar offences."

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/fired-ferguson-court-clerk-fixed-tickets-friends-report-article-1.2140813
 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
39. You're talking about Ferguson
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 08:45 PM
Apr 2015

and a few people there. I'm talking about the whole county and all the municipalities in it. Ferguson is a city of 21,000 in a county with a population near a million. The white people in the county aren't getting their tickets fixed - that's corruption. I know a lot of people in St. Louis City and County PDs and governments. I've never been able to get a ticket fixed.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
19. Well white privilege in that area is staggering, it is a shame not one person
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:36 PM
Apr 2015

that could have...made a single stink all these years and years...must of been scared of the police too. YEP YEP...

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
27. Those are voluntary agreements only and cover only one MO county.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

Jackson County, MO is even more egregious and isn't part of this voluntary agreement nor are any of the other 113 Missouri counties.

Missouri residents, especially minority residents, are in need of a uniform state law that limits traffic and court fine revenue streams to a reasonable percentage of each municipality's budget (Currently at 30%. Will be reduced to 10%, if MO Senate Bill 5 becomes law.)

The best defense is not 'to obey laws' it's to generate uniform, fair and just laws, enforce them fairly and protest/dissent when that does not happen.

The next step is to reverse the trend of generating warrants for unpaid traffic and court fines. These fines, like any debt, can be best and fairly handled outside the arrest/debtors prison tract: via collection companies with fair fees that are regulated by law.

No one's life should become as awful as those who have become trapped by this cycle of fines, warrants and escalating fees, simply due to poverty or being born a minority in an unfair and often racially targeted system.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
36. Voluntary self-policing is never the start
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:34 PM
Apr 2015

of a fair system...it is the end product of an unjust system.

Voluntary self-policing is the last stand of a corrupt process that, when it has come under intense public criticism, tries to retain power and control in the hopes that, after the public eye has lost focus on it, it can go back to business as usual.

I suggest a 'while the iron is hot tactic": more intense public scrutiny/protests and dissent to force such a conservative legislature to confront and adjust the inequalities in their system.

More bills like Senate Bill 5 should be proposed...they are getting a hearing in MO's republican controlled legislature.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
37. As a life long Missourian St. Louis is a pit.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:55 PM
Apr 2015

That includes the damn Cardinals fans who openly chant racist taunts.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. How pathetic. That is how it was around here in the 80s and 90s.
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:27 PM
Apr 2015

Hard to believe south Texas might be more evolved then St. Louis county.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
25. Wow ...
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 05:11 PM
Apr 2015

That was a sad read. Also, the whole judge in one area and attorney in another should be illegal, if it isn't already. That's clearly a conflict of interest.

Gothmog

(145,231 posts)
35. When these systems are used for revenue generation, then they become corrupt and racist
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

Many of these towns use the courts to fund the city operations and this leads to racist abuses such as in Ferguson

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