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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:04 PM May 2012

Max Keiser: Unemployment numbers are 'propaganda' + 2.2 Million Go On Disability Since Mid-2010



The first Friday of every month new US jobs numbers are released. According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, America's unemployment rate fell to 8.1 percent in April. Non-farm employers added 115,000 jobs, but at the same time 342,000 people left the labor force. Max Keiser, host of The Keiser Report, joins us with his take.

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http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.se/2012/05/22-million-go-on-disability-since-mid.html

2.2 Million Go On Disability Since Mid-2010; Fraud Explains Falling Unemployment Rate; Will Higher Disability Taxes Fix the Problem?

Since mid-2010, precisely the time millions of US citizens used up all of their 99 week of unemployment insurance, disability claims have risen by 2.2 million. Those on disability are not counted in the workforce and are not considered unemployed.

Please consider Disabled Americans Shrink Size of U.S. Labor Force

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-03/disabled-americans-shrink-size-of-u-s-labor-force.html

The number of workers receiving Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) jumped 22 percent to 8.7 million in April from 7.1 million in December 2007, Social Security data show. That helps explain as much as one quarter of the decline in the U.S. labor-force participation rate during the period, according to economists at JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley.

The participation rate -- the share of working-age people holding a job or seeking one -- was 63.8 percent in March after falling to a three-decade low of 63.7 percent in January. Disability recipients may account for as much as 0.5 percentage point of the more than 2 point drop since the end of 2007, the economists calculate, and that contribution could grow when some extended unemployment benefits expire at the end of this year. “How we measure and understand what’s going on in the economy can be influenced by the degree to which various public- support programs are available and being used,” said Michael Feroli, chief U.S. economist at JPMorgan in New York. “With a rising number of disability beneficiaries, there are both lower unemployment rates and lower participation rates.”

More than 99 percent of all SSDI beneficiaries remain in the program until retirement age, David Greenlaw, a managing director in New York at Morgan Stanley, wrote in a March research note, citing government data. The program provides an average of $1,111 in monthly income to eligible workers with a physical or mental impairment that will last at least 12 months or result in death, according to Social Security. Unemployment insurance requires that applicants search for job opportunities, while disability insurance requires they be unable to work.

Lax Screening Procedures

Less-stringent screening procedures, more attractive benefits and a waning need for less-skilled workers have bolstered SSDI rolls. In addition, “difficult-to-verify disorders,” including muscle pain and mental illness, more easily qualify for SSDI under program reforms, [David] Autor [economist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology] wrote in a 2011 paper. Based on current trends, 7 percent of the nonelderly adult population could be receiving disability benefits by 2018, Richard Burkhauser and Mary Daly wrote in the spring issue of the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. That’s two years after the SSDI program will run through its trust fund, according to an April report by the Social Security trustees. Costs Increase

Costs Increase

Costs have increased with the rolls: The program spent $132 billion last year, more than twice as much as in 2000.


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http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/02/news/economy/income-debt-inequality/index.htm?source=Patrick.net&source=cnn_bin

Debt inequality is the new income inequality



NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The rich are getting richer, and everyone else is going deeper into debt trying to keep up. The bottom 95% of Americans have seen debt levels balloon compared to their earnings over the past 20 years or so, as falling incomes made them more dependent on credit to maintain their lifestyles.

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The debt divide is a result of the growing income gap between the wealthiest Americans and everyone else. The top 5% saw their share of total income rise to 34% in 2007, up from 22% in 1983. This excludes capital gains, which pump up the income of the rich even more since they are more likely to invest. The wealthy had so much extra money lying around that they channeled it back into the financial system, making more credit available to the rest of the nation.

"Rich people have more money to play with and there are only so many Armani suits they can buy. So they can lend money back to the majority," said Michael Kumhof, deputy division chief at the IMF who co-authored the report. Other Americans "are trying to maintain standards of living." As their wages dropped, some Americans were forced to take on more debt just to stay in place, according to Robert Reich, former Labor Secretary under President Clinton who has written about income inequality.

With credit easier to come by, they financed their spending by taking out home equity loans or refinancing their houses. They also took out more auto and student loans and ran up their credit card balances. "The only way they could continue to purchase what they need was to go deeper into debt," said Reich, now a public policy professor at the University of California, Berkeley.


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Max Keiser: Unemployment numbers are 'propaganda' + 2.2 Million Go On Disability Since Mid-2010 (Original Post) stockholmer May 2012 OP
Damn ProSense May 2012 #1
Damn, you have NOTHING to say about the information posted just1voice May 2012 #3
If any actual information had been posted, maybe it would be worth addressing. TheWraith May 2012 #4
The Bloomberg ProSense May 2012 #6
'Pravda Today'?!? good to see there're still some 'leftish' Cold Warriors still caught in 1958 amber stockholmer May 2012 #9
Actually, ProSense May 2012 #5
The subject is treated here as well stockholmer May 2012 #7
No ProSense May 2012 #8
not everything in life that goes against powerful interests IS NOT a conspiracy 'theory' stockholmer May 2012 #10
Well, ProSense May 2012 #11
Meanwhile, I bet around 8 million people are working off-the-books. FarLeftFist May 2012 #2

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
1. Damn
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:12 PM
May 2012

"Unemployment numbers are 'propaganda'"

...Obama can't even do "proganda" right. I mean, if you're going to do propaganda, why not add about 40,000 to 50,000 each month?

Hell, maybe the 10 percent, 16 percent, 800,000 jobs lost were all "propaganda"?

Or is it only propaganda when things improve?

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
3. Damn, you have NOTHING to say about the information posted
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:14 PM
May 2012

Why bother with actual information huh?

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
4. If any actual information had been posted, maybe it would be worth addressing.
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:16 PM
May 2012

Instead we just got another big dumptruck load of bullshit from Pravda Today, which doesn't care if a story is laugh-out-loud ridiculous--case in point, their support of birtherism--as long as they can make it look bad for the US.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. The Bloomberg
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:21 PM
May 2012

article seems more like a hit on disability benefits and Social Security:

The number of workers receiving SSDI jumped 22 percent to 8.7 million in April from 7.1 million in December 2007, Social Security data show. That helps explain as much as one quarter of the decline in the U.S. labor-force participation rate during the period, according to economists at JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley.

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Lax Screening Procedures

Less-stringent screening procedures, more attractive benefits and a waning need for less-skilled workers have bolstered SSDI rolls, they said. In addition, “difficult-to- verify disorders,” including muscle pain and mental illness, more easily qualify for SSDI under program reforms, Autor wrote in a 2011 paper. The aging baby-boom population, changes in Americans’ health conditions and the entry of women into the workforce weren’t the driving forces behind the gain in SSDI, Autor wrote.

Kia Green, a Social Security spokeswoman, hadn’t responded to an e-mail request for comments as of 7:30 p.m. yesterday.

Based on current trends, 7 percent of the nonelderly adult population could be receiving disability benefits by 2018, Richard Burkhauser and Mary Daly wrote in the spring issue of the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. That’s two years after the SSDI program will run through its trust fund, according to an April report by the Social Security trustees.

Costs Increase

Costs have increased with the rolls: The program spent $132 billion last year, more than twice as much as in 2000. Once the trust fund dries up, the program’s incoming revenue will be enough to cover only about 80 percent of scheduled benefits, the trustees said.

To help reduce the strain on the system and make it possible for more disabled people to remain in the labor force, Burkhauser, a policy professor at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, and Daly, associate research director at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, argued SSDI should be modified. They said raising taxes on businesses with a larger share of employees on SSDI would provide an incentive for these companies to offer the employees better accommodations and rehabilitation programs that prolong their ability to work.
 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
9. 'Pravda Today'?!? good to see there're still some 'leftish' Cold Warriors still caught in 1958 amber
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:39 PM
May 2012

Nice added broad brush attack with the 'pro-birther' smear, btw.

CNBC, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc. Hmmmm, they sure do seem to be not only cheerleaders for the corporate/bankster line of 'reality'. Also, in terms of real world financial messages, they have all been tragically, devastatingly wrong.

RT, Deutsche Welle, France24, Press TV, and other non-US controlled news networks have been much more accurate.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. Actually,
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:18 PM
May 2012
Damn, you have NOTHING to say about the information posted

Why bother with actual information huh?

...stop projecting or MYOB.



 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
7. The subject is treated here as well
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:27 PM
May 2012


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You seem to have a real problem with the exposing of the statistical manipulation perpetrated by the government (regardless of party in power). This is not a 'left vs right' issue. It is a disinformation issue that is papering over an unfolding disaster within the US workforce. It is not an attack on Obama, it is simply uncovering a systemic problem that is being 'officially' misrepresented.

Part-time employment, independent contractor substitution (almost always for less pay and no benefits), more people 'disabled', and the continuance of the service sector bottom-end jobs as the dominant creation meme is real, it is happening, and it is destroying a decent way of life for 10's of millions of Americans.

Combine this with exploding non-dischargeable student debt (forced by the gate-keeping of a degree as a 'barrier to workforce entry' and tuition price inflation fed by hundreds of billion of dollars in government dumped into a 'for-profit matrix') spells serious ruptures ahead and lives of debt-slavery for tens of millions.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. No
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:32 PM
May 2012

"You seem to have a real problem with the exposing of the statistical manipulation perpetrated by the government (regardless of party in power)."

...I have a problem with absurd conspiracy theories. I mean, maybe Reagan and Clinton didn't create 16 million and 23 million jobs, respectively.

Maybe it's all a lie. The fact is that this is what is used. I mean, when you're using government information (e.g., U6) to claim that government information (e.g., U3) is propaganda, it's pretty lame.




 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
10. not everything in life that goes against powerful interests IS NOT a conspiracy 'theory'
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:52 PM
May 2012

Sorry, but that is just a fact, and attempting to discredit with that tired, worn-out tag is not enough, not even close.

Saddam and WMD, Gulf of Tonkin, USS Maine, USS Liberty, Iran-Contra, S&L Fraud/Crisis, CIA 1963 coup against Mossadegh in Iran, Operation Northwoods, etc etc etc.

All denied, sneared at, covered up, dismissed, or otherwise swept under the power-carpet. Now all officially admitted to or utterly expoused as to how they were denied by the power matrix.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Well,
Sat May 5, 2012, 07:59 PM
May 2012

"not everything in life that goes against powerful interests IS NOT a conspiracy 'theory'"

...when you have solid proof that the unemployment numbers are "propaganda," not a bunch of opinions using the same source of the data, it might be more believable.

Also, shouldn't you remove Bloomberg and CNN from the OP? I mean, aren't they just "cheerleaders for the corporate/bankster line of 'reality'"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=649487

I prefer not to get my news about the American economy from RT and Iran-based Press TV.

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