Hillary Clinton's Presidential Campaign "HAS STOLEN" OUR LOGO, Says WikiLeaks

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Hillary Clinton has stolen our innovative WikiLeaks twitter logo design. Compare: @WikiLeaks vs @HillaryClinton

4:40 PM - 12 Apr 2015

Does the logo for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign look a bit too familiar? The former first lady and New York senator launched her second Oval Office bid on Sunday, which led to myriad reactions on social media.

One response was a tweet from media organization WikiLeaks, accusing Clinton's campaign of swiping their insignia. "Hillary Clinton has stolen our innovative WikiLeaks twitter logo design," reads a post from the organization's official Twitter page. The tweet offered a side-by-side comparison of the logos. WikiLeaks' artwork features an hourglass with a dripping earth, along with a red arrow, while Clinton's shows a red arrow used to form a large "H."

Reps for WikiLeaks and Clinton did not immediately respond to requests for comment.



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[JustAnotherGen]

1. I don't see it . . .

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2. Two vertical bars with an arrow pointing right

[JustAnotherGen]

22. theirs is an hour glass

Hers is an H

[okaawhatever]

27. Agreed. The claim is weak and sounds desperate. Wikileaks trying to gin up attention. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

28. The thing is - to people who follow wikileaks closely

They DO see the connection.

Me - I didn't realize wikileaks had gone 'corporate' with logos and such. However, they HAVE built a brand, and they have a right to defend it and any revenue that results from that brand.

[okaawhatever]

29. I don't think the comparison passes the "reasonable person" test. Furthermore, it is highly unlikely

that Clinton wants to be associated with Wikileaks. I wonder if they even have a registered trademark on their hourglass? I'm doubling down on my earlier remark. This claim sounds desparate.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Ohhh I don't disagree on the Clinton wanting to be associate with Wikileaks

I think it's more the 'razzle dazzle 'em' showmanship they've come into our culture with.

[VanillaRhapsody]

53. what razzle dazzle are you seeing here?

[okaawhatever]

81. I don't understand your question. nt

[yardwork]

84. My question as well.

They both look like clip art to me.

[treestar]

77. +1

Ludicrous - there are clear differences.

[merrily]

3. Perfect: the best campaign money can buy and, right out of the box,

a logo that says nothing about anything but Hillary, except that it's kind of corporate logo-looking (wikileaks, Fed Ex, amazon.) and may say something about being red and going right, or backwards, depending on what first pops out to you when you see a red arrow pointing to your right.

At the very best, it's very ambiguous in a way that evokes several of the complaints made by the left of the left about her.

And this is for the primary, not the general, a primary begun with a Stop Hillary demonstration at her campaign headquarters Sunday night.

You can't make up this stuff.

No wonder they've been discouraging challengers.

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4. Her logo is a POS!

They should fire whomever approved this ridiculous design.


Why did someone think that a logo design was needed to package her candidacy?


Absolutely stale thinking!

[merrily]

58. "They should fire whomever approved this ridiculous design." Don't think they can.

I have to believe they ran it past Hillary before they went public with it.

Obama didn't not need the old Pepsi logo either, but I guess they figured it didn't hurt him so......

I bet we'll see every campaign with a logo this time around.

Maybe Obama's logo did not say much, but at least it was not sending any wrong or puzzling messages.

Remember her last campaign--a contest for her theme song, a video portraying her as one of the Sopranos.

Who could have any problem with ideas like that?

[pnwmom]

9. How, anywhere in the western world, does a right-ward pointing arrow indicate going backwards?

You can't get much sillier than this, but I'm sure you'll try.

[merrily]

11. I knew you'd be going ad hom. I was surprised you didn't do it on the other thread,

where I've already replied to your non-point about number lines three times.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6497072

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026496176#post161

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026496176#post163

Usually, it doesn't take four posts on the same topic before you start personal insults.

BTW, "backward" never occurred to me until I saw many other DUers saying that. What I saw was a red arrow going right, with a touch of corporate logo.

[titaniumsalute]

49. She must be a Muslim...her logo points east

[sabbat hunter]

52. What do you mean east

it is pointing south, clearly south!

[merrily]

59. Mrs. Clinton has said she is a Christian and I take her at her word.

About the same answer she gave when someone asked her on national TV if she thought Obama was a Muslim.

[KittyWampus]

61. LOL. Your comment deserves it's own freaking thread.

[VanillaRhapsody]

54. I think that 75% of Democrats support her is what is "discouraging challengers"

[OKNancy]

5. I saw that on twitter yesterday.. even wikileaks supporters

were saying that their complaint is ridiculous. It's an arrow.

[Cha]

7. Aha! wikileaks is "right wing".. "arrow pointing right/red!"

[treestar]

79. They are also corporate enough to have a logo, lol

I thought Wikileaks was wonderful, and not "corporate?"

[Cha]

90. wikileaks got

busted by whining. Rofl

treestar!

[leftofcool]

16. And there is no copyright on geometric design, circles, arrows, squares etc...

[Richardo]

6. there's some irony for ya right there

Stolen. From wikileaks. Delicious.

[randome]

24. You mean an organization that exists to fence stolen goods is complaining that something was stolen?

Where's the irony?
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[freshwest]

96. LOL!!! n/t

[pnwmom]

8. Wikileaks doesn't own all images of arrows, the color red, or red arrows. What Wikileaks won't do

for attention.

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10. The nonsense is promoting a dumb logo

for her candidacy that creates added confusion. When I saw the design the first time, it quickly reminded me of the 'hospital ahead or next exit' symbol.

Its a design fail period!

[merrily]

12. Bingo. At the very best, what is supposed to evoke is unclear.

They can't acknowledge even that much.

All that swimming upstream in De NIle must be exhausting, but it can be so much fun to watch them try!

At worst, it evokes complaints about her the left has been making--and it's a logo for the primary.

[pnwmom]

65. It's not a logo just for the primary. It's for the whole campaign, if she gets past the primary.

And as much as it will bother some people here, she probably will this time.

But they'll keep harping on anything they can, no matter how trivial.

Like logos.

[merrily]

66. I know. My point was, it was not a logo created just for the general, where

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a suggestion that Hillary's going right might be useful to her.

BTW, I see you did go to personal insults about me on the other thread, too.

If criticizing the logo is so trivial, I wonder why you've gone over the top about every criticism of the logo? Even the most tongue in cheek and/or minimal statements about it have you posting graphs and hurling insults and accusations, even while you are saying it's too unimportant for words. (I hope you at least see the internal inconsistency and irony in your posts).

But, you do have a point. Spending a fortune on a logo for the campaign of her life that generates mockery and laughter on her left is just another example of poor judgment, but not an important or irreparable one. No one died and no one cried (assuming Hillary's supporters are overreacting by crying as well as by throwing up thread after thread complaining mockery of a logo.) No terrorist groups came into existence because of it.

Making a speech to try to convince her fellow Senators and her fellow Americans to support Bush's war on Iraq was much, much more significant. Still is. Perhaps you'd rather that we dwell on that instead of critiquing or mocking her logo.

[pnwmom]

73. There is no logo she could possibly have had designed that would have kept her

detractors from mocking it or her.

That's just SOP around here.

[JustAnotherGen]

23. Now I get what you are saying

I haven't followed wikileaks closely so I wouldn't have known their logo from hers.

[merrily]

67. They probably spent a ton of time and $$ on it, too. A DUer posted a much better one for free

very quickly after the criticism of the logo began.

[Tanuki]

69. It reminded me of a hospital sign, too, but then I work in health care. It occurred to me

that there might be a subliminal message there, recalling Hillary's early but unsuccessful attempts to create a national health care program. Also, a hospital is somewhere you turn to in a crisis. I don't think for a moment that a lot of thought didn't go into the choice of a logo and that it wasn't widely vetted. I don't find it especially interesting from a graphic design point of view but I am not in any way upset by it as some here seem to be. I'm not referring to you, but some here seem comically outraged by it.

[LanternWaste]

74. No one is talking about the logo at all today, so yeah.... quite the fail indeed.

"Its a design fail period!"

No one is talking about the logo at all today, so yeah.... quite the fail indeed.

[treestar]

80. But not of the Wikileaks logo

Which I had never seen before, is it a dumb logo? Doesn't look any better.

[merrily]

13. Correct. In politics, red means something very different than it does in the wikileaks logo.

[Bluenorthwest]

37. And yet Obama's Logo was also red, white and blue. McCain's blue and white, Romney's red, white and

blue. Almost all Presidential campaigns employ red, white and blue. The 'Red States' and 'Blue States' terminology is very new, it came about in the 2000 election. In previous years, electoral maps of the US used various sets of colors to indicate the different Parties, 2000 it became media standard to do Red for Republicans and Blue for Democrats. The red, white and blue thing on the other hand is from 1776.

Prior to the 1990's in politics, Red always meant Communist. Now it means Republican. With white and blue, it has always been one of our national colors.

[merrily]

40. Red, white and blue is different from red.

BTW, the red white and blue thing long predated 1776, but the history of it does not add much to this discussion. We saw the logo for the first time today. I think it's safe to discuss it in terms of what red in politics is widely understood to mean today.

[pnwmom]

75. HRC's logo IS red, white, and blue. The red arrow, the blue H, on a white background. n/t

[Enrique]

14. they both stole it

[brush]

63. I agree. Arrows are everywhere . . .

in logo design.

FEDEX's logo with the arrow created by the negative space between the second "E" and the "x" predates the Wikileaks logo by many years.

[xfundy]

88. Eras!

God I thought that font was finally dead. Love ya, Herb Lubalin, but that one was overused to death.

[Skidmore]

15. This whole logo thing, on all fronts, is just plain stupid.

Period.

[TreasonousBastard]

19. Yeah-- numerous threads and hundreds of posts about a logo...

we'll really make a difference this way.

[B Calm]

17. Oh brother, how damn stupid is this claim?

[Aerows]

18. Somebody stole my idea

of making quiche with eggs.

What the hell is this?

Maybe I'll start wearing shoes, since that is a novelty. Oh wait please don't steal my idea of wearing a coat when it is cold, or a bathing suit when I jump into the pool!

[liberal N proud]

20. They are not even close

[tammywammy]

21. LOL

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Hey, I used a red arrow in a PowerPoint last week. I must have stole that from Wikileaks too.

[gollygee]

25. They both have a red arrow

Do they think they can trademark red arrows? ROFL

[brooklynite]

26. It's not their logo; they just reprinted it...

[dembotoz]

30. pointing to the right

Tell me again on how I am supposed to be able to stomach her

[postulater]

32. I thought of Twin Towers.

Moving ahead after the attack.

[boston bean]

33. OMG, wikileaks is a right wing conservative group intending on leading this country to the abyss

of a..... a what the hell ever...

For real, all this angst over a red arrow... puhlease!

[merrily]

44. Angst? On the part of Hillary's supporters, maybe.

I think the rest of us are merely mocking.

It's your crowd that seems riled up that everyone is not saying how absolutely wonderful it is.

Can't even tolerate some light mockery of her logo, let alone her DLC/Third Way neoliberal policies.

[boston bean]

47. I don't base my support on a logo.. Seems some do. nt

[merrily]

48. No one is basing opposition to Hillary on a logo. You've read enough posts here to know that.

[NanceGreggs]

89. It isn't the HRC supporters ...

... who are "angsting" over a logo. They're too busy laughing at those who are.

No HRC supporter is "riled up" about "everyone not saying how absolutely wonderful it is". Not even close.

If people here were "mocking" the logo, that would be silly enough. It's a fuckin' campaign logo, fer crissake.

But the people who are reading all kinds of nefarious signals and symbolism into it are truly laughable.

[merrily]

91. And I was busy laughing at how many OPs they threw up screeching us laughing at the logo.

So I guess it was a good day for DU. Laughter is good.

[NanceGreggs]

92. Excuse me, but ...

... DU is full of comments about the "symbolism" behind every aspect of the logo. Posters were divining the "secret signals" HRC was sending with "a red arrow pointing to the right" - "red is the colour of conservatism", "a red arrow pointing right sends a clear message", "red has been the color of GOP extremism since the 2000 election", and other such armchair psychoanalysis of a god-damned campaign logo.

So let's not be so disingenuous as to say that this was about people "laughing at the logo". They weren't laughing - they were spinning conspiracy theories about a fuckin' logo, and they were - and still are - the ones being laughed at.

Attempting to imply that it was the HRC supporters who were up in arms over a logo is pretty ridiculous. We've all seen the threads, and we've all seen the "interpretations" of it from people whose tinfoil hats are on a bit too tight these days.

A blue H with a red arrow - interpreted by certain posters as the very symbol of all that is unholy. That's what prompted the laughter, and the evidence of that abounds in every thread on the topic. And, quite frankly, your poor attempt to spin it as otherwise is equally laughable.

[merrily]

93. And, now I'm laughing at how you're proving my point, even as you think you're disproving

it.

The angst has not been on my side of these exchanges. I'm still laughing. You, on the other hand, seem peturbed. Bonsoir.

[NanceGreggs]

94. Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But somehow I was prepared for that eventuality.

[merrily]

95. LOL!

[treestar]

82. Wikileaks is leading us to the right?

Must be so, if it's so for Hillary's!

[Jester Messiah]

34. Petty theft. The Hillary logo would look more at home on a hardware store.

Or a sign telling you which way to the hospital.

[davidpdx]

35. Good for them

[SidDithers]

36. LOL...

Wikileaks. Desperately trying to stay relevant.



Sid

[ismnotwasm]

39. Right?

Jesus

[merrily]

45. Or they have a sense of humor. Either way, it's pretty funny.

[ismnotwasm]

38. LOL

Because you never see red arrows anywhere else but Wikileaks and Hillary's campaign..

[merrily]

41. On the bright side, red arrows often point to an emergency exit.

[freshwest]

97. Just think, Wikileaks will go after red tail lights next. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

42. I just had a great time reading things Republicans think the Obama logo means.

It's a mandala to bring destruction, an Islamic symbol, a gnostic occult symbol of Caduceus, Un American, totalitarian, fascist. He intended to replace the Presidential Seal with his own logo, which is of course the Rising Sun of the Anti Christ. He used traditional American colors as a subtly insulting form of seduction into his cult.

It's some great reading.

[msanthrope]

56. This is a classic---Obama goes to Ohio, hilarity ensues....and Michelle Malkin

had to calm down the rightwing....

http://mediamatters.org/research/2008/10/16/radio-host-bob-grant-asserted-that-obama-create/145712

[Calista241]

43. Eh, it's an H with an arrow.

I suspect Trying to co-opt the Forward campaign idea from Obama.

Still not that impressed with her campaign so far.

[workinclasszero]

46. Clearly WikiLeaks owns every red arrow in the universe

from now till the end of eternity.

Not to mention it looks nothing like their design. You go Hillary haters.

[hrmjustin]

50. Ridiculous claim.

[RKP5637]

51. Ridiculous! n/t

[Historic NY]

55. Isn't that like claiming all arrow traffic signs are part of their logo..

[freshwest]

98. Wow, Wikileaks can sue for part of the revenue on red light tickets. Brilliant! But it proves that..

Wikileaks are disinfo agents!

[Starry Messenger]

57. I thought they were into open source.

[alcibiades_mystery]

60. The funny thing about it is that the hourglass logo is so amateur hour

Did they work with a high school art class for a service learning project and pick the best design from the class?

[Sissyk]

62. 40 years ago, there was a Soap Opera

that had an hour glass...."like sand through an hour glass" or something like that.

WikiLeaks stole their logo from a Soap Opera!!!!

[Enrique]

64. so go the Days of Our Lives

[KamaAina]

68. Really? I thought It was gonna be FedEx.

[Corey_Baker08]

70. Reminds Me Of The Obama Stole Pepsi's Logo BS In 2008

[William769]

71. What a bunch of fucking idiots.

[herding cats]

72. Stupid bullshit.

They don't own the forward arrow. They're not even the same for crying out loud.

[orpupilofnature57]

76. No , not enough to mention, no sweat though, they Do expose the esoteric

conversation behind our back, best they stick to keeping US safe and informed, and leave the superficial, subjective interpretation to MSM .

[DeSwiss]

78. !

[Rex]

83. Is this a joke?

Please say it is!

[orpupilofnature57]

86. Or just another way to Vilify WikiLeaks ?

Who hates Whistle Blowers more than those exposed ?

[The2ndWheel]

85. Simpsons did it!

[Beacool]

87. Wikileaks is just trying to remain relevant.

They don't own the copyright on red arrows.