Marco Rubio.....citizen question

[JPK]

I've heard a rumor that Rubio's dad's passport was stamped as being in Cuba on the same day as Rubio was supposedly born. Where's his mother's passport? Any visa stamps, dates? Also, does Rubio have a US birth certificate? If so, which hospital in Miami? Is there a county birth record, etc? Just curious with all these "foreigners" running for the presidency. Just making sure he's legit.

[DrDan]

1. do you really think that he hasn't been vetted many times by the Dems? He has been in

politics for several years now at a national level.

Claims like this make DU look silly.

[cali]

2. thank you. Preserve us from birthers of any stripe.

[notadmblnd]

4. he's only held state office in the past His senate seat is his first nationaly.

He's a teabagger wonder. And unless Fla has some law (which I don't think there is) that say you must be a natural born citizen to hold office, then it is entirely possible that his birth has not been vetted and probably won't be until and if he wins the nomination.

I don't think it's a silly question and if DU is an embarrassment to you because of it's silliness, you don't have to be here.

[DrDan]

8. so in his Senate race, the Dems did not vet his credentials and claims? Do you really believe that

they would accept blindly and not check them out?

What does him being a teabagger have to do with anything? Are they exempt from Dem vetting?

And yes - I think it makes DU look silly. Defending a birther could be one step further in silliness.

And yes, I plan on sticking around as I have the past 14 years.

[jberryhill]

12. First, yes, it is a dumb question

Second, there is no such requirement that one be born a citizen for a Senate position.

[DrDan]

13. the point is - he was thoroughly vetted by the Dems

[jberryhill]

15. Whatever "thoroughly vetted" might mean...

It is generally not the case that third parties, whatever their political persuasion, have access to someone else's birth certificate.

Secondly, the question would be wholly irrelevant to any "vetting" of a US Senate candidate.

[DrDan]

22. we need no birthers here . . . it makes us simply look silly

and I disagree that it is "wholly irrelevant" - perhaps not a qualification. But CERTAINLY information relative to an opponent's background is relevant, particularly in Florida where Cuban ties are an important campaign issue.

[Jim Lane]

32. What makes it at least marginally non-dumb.

You're absolutely right that there's no "natural-born citizen" requirement for the Senate.

But there IS a requirement that one be a citizen. A naturalized citizen is eligible, but I strongly doubt that Rubio ever went through a naturalization proceeding. On the conspiracy theory that he wasn't born in the US but is falsely claiming such birth to get citizenship, he wouldn't naturalize because that would expose the fraud.

So, absent naturalization, he wasn't eligible to run for the Senate or even to register to vote unless he really was born here. I think it possible that, at some point, some political opponent (a Democratic Party official or some local freelance crank who hates Hispanics) looked into the question, trying for the one-in-a-million shot that he was born in Cuba or Kenya or wherever. (Of course, Rubio's mother leaving Miami to go to Castro-era Cuba in 1971 to give birth seems, if anything, even more unlikely than Obama's mother leaving Honolulu to go to Kenya.)

[notadmblnd]

24. to be a Senator it is not required for one to be a natural born citizen.

so no, chances are that Dems have not fully vetted his background.

[DrDan]

27. I realize that. Do you really believe that, when running for the U.S. Senate,

that he can simply state he was born in Miami of naturalized Cuban parents and NO ONE will check that out? No one will be interested in his parent's background and the circumstances under which they immigrated? IN FLORIDA???

Of course he has been fully vetted.

[notadmblnd]

28. sure, why couldn't he?

if no one questions it, then he's not fully vetted and since it's not a requirement to run for Senate, why would anyone ask?

[DrDan]

29. slaphead

[notadmblnd]

30. whatever-

[Adrahil]

3. Let's not go the dumbass birther route, shall we?

Lots of reason to not elect that asshole. That ain't one of them.

[notadmblnd]

5. I don't think asking about his birth

nor was asking about MCCains or asking about Cruz's is going all birth-er.

[cali]

6. Yeah, it is. It's just as stupid as the Obama birthers. Rubio was born in Miami

and Ted Cruz' mother was a U.S. citizen.

It's crap.

[treestar]

16. It was crap with Obama too but that didn't stop them

[appalachiablue]

17. +1. Where is Cruz' Mother, hidden in a closet? Father Raphael Sr. became a naturalized citizen

in 2005, even though he came to Texas from Cuba on a student visa in 1957. Ted Cruz also has 4 stepsisters, where are they?

[treestar]

20. And wherever he went to college, does he have witnesses?

LOL, my 80 year old Dad started on that no one at Colombia or Harvard ever heard of Obama (so the whole thing was fake)

[appalachiablue]

21. Cruz' family has some funky missing pieces, seriously. I just want to know-

[cali]

19. I prefer not to sink to their vile level.

[treestar]

23. That can be respected so long as the same

people don't say the Democrats are weak and don't fight dirty enough

[notadmblnd]

31. I don't think Dems fight dirty enough

And insisting that Dems must take the high road at all costs, costs Dems too many damn elections. Kerry taking the high road in 2000 and not fighting in FLA. is just one example- just look what it has cost the country.

That's all right I guess, cause we took the high road.

[LanternWaste]

33. Fighting dirty is a wholly different concept than fighting stupidly and blindly...

Fighting dirty is a wholly different concept than fighting stupidly and flailing blindly-- which is precisely what any birther argument is.

[treestar]

34. We know it didn't work on Obama and he won anyway

But it was part of their general negativity, which the Republicans do so well.

[notadmblnd]

25. it may be crap, but it is still a valid question

insisting that he is not a citizen when he has proven that he is- is what I would consider going all dumb ass birther.

[Adrahil]

7. I think it is.

The NBC requirement has always been kind of silly, in my view, and whatever Rubio or Cruz are (and I can think of some choice epithets), they are certainly Americans.

[DrDan]

9. sure is at this point in their political careers . . . all-birther

[JPK]

10. I'm just asking a simple question.

I'm not a birther, I just have not heard of any source confirm whether or not he was born here especially since there's the whole issue of him, Rubio, claiming at one time his dad was a Castro exile and in reality he left long before the regime change. So he is an established liar with regards to his family's history. I have no issues with him running for prez. Rubio is an asshole and will never be nominated but I'm more curious than anything else.

[Capt. Obvious]

11. Unlike Ted Cruz, Rubio is a Natural Born Citizen eligible to run for President.

Let's not go the silly birther route.

[treestar]

14. Let's start those rumors and keep them going.

Republicans so deserve it!

[2naSalit]

18. That part I agree with.

The baggers deserve to be constantly swarmed by the type of shitstorm they promote... a taste of one's own medicine so to speak. I wonder how long they can take what they dish out so readily. And no matter what the response, we shouldn't accept it, period.

[KamaAina]

26. So his dad was out of the country on the day he was born?

Does having a shitty, unfeeling dad disqualify you from being President?