Bundy’s Seditious Victory has inspired Oregon “Militias” to take up arms against our Government.

[riqster]

https://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2015/04/15/bundys-seditious-victory-has-inspired-oregon-militias-to-take-up-arms-against-our-government/

Tons of source info at the link.

A year ago, Craven Cliven Bundy and his inbred, mouthbreathing Moocher Militia committed acts of sedition and secession against the government. And got away with it. Since then, Bundyoids have murdered cops, and no one has yet done Thing One to bring he and his to justice. Nope, Cliven is still free as a bird, because he is white and well-armed.

In fact, the motherf***er threw a party and invited the media. Rubbing our noses in his victory over the rule of law, and his successful theft of our tax dollars. Exactly as predicted. Giving into terrorists never works.

So, in Oregon, the BLM once again tried to enforce the law again, in their weak, quivering, Milquetoast manner. And sure as s***, the Bundyoids are heading there to make sure the BLM once again rolls over and capitulated:

Militia groups are gathering in southern Oregon to back gold miners embroiled in a Bundy-style dispute with the Bureau of Land Management. Federal authorities said they had notified the miners earlier this month that they were out of compliance with BLM regulations and ordered them and their equipment off the land by April 25.

The owners of the Sugar Pine Mining Claim reached out to the Oath Keepers of Josephine County for help, and the pro-gun group issued a nationwide call for assistance that was picked up by websites such as Infowars and Before It’s News.

“If you are a true Militia, true III%, Oathkeeper etc. then you are needed. If you can get away from home to help, NOW IS THE TIME,” says the alert issued by Chris Langer, a firearms instructor and barbecue restaurant owner from Wisconsin. “Just like Bundy ranch, the BLM is out of order! SHUT DOWN THE FOREIGN CORPORATION NOW! The miners need you!!”

Got it? They are citing their victory in Bunkerville and heading out to do it again. These yahoos are out of control and need to be arrested, tried, and dealt with according the law of the land they simultaneously sponge off of and rebel against. These white, teabagging, “Republican”, un-American sons of strangers don’t need to be treated with kid gloves: they need cuffs on their wrists and boots in their groins.

As long as America condones the murder of unarmed Black citizens at the same time it cowers before armed, murdering White seditionists, this s*** is just going to get worse and worse. Time for the BLM to grow a collective pair and stand up to these goons.

[KittyWampus]

1. many DU'ers called this. Let them get away with it once and it will just keep getting worse.

I could understand letting things cool down and then swooping in and getting Bundy off the property by force once the idiot patrol left.

Apparently the BLM, our Federal Government, has ceded control to these armed radicals.

So state by state, the Far Right is stripping women of their reproductive rights, people of color are losing their right to vote and now they are literally taking over Federal lands.


http://www.npr.org/2015/04/14/399397139/year-after-denying-federal-control-bundy-still-runs-his-bit-of-nevada

Indeed, the BLM has pretty much stopped managing or patrolling a vast, southeastern corner of the state — centered in the Gold Butte region — because of safety concerns.

The standoff, and now a year of silence from the BLM and the region's U.S. Attorney, has reinvigorated what's often called the "sovereign citizen movement" on Western lands. One of its goals is for states and local sheriffs to take over management of federal public lands; this year, nearly a dozen legislatures in Western states have considered bills that seek to transfer ownership of federal lands to the states.

Nevada's bill, sponsored by Republican state Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore, has some momentum behind it. Speaking on a show she hosts on a Las Vegas conservative news talk station, Fiore said the effort was about getting "our land back in the hands of the people, where it belongs."

The bulk of the state of Nevada is federal land open to various public uses — but the government's management of it, in this state where distrust of Washington, D.C., runs deep, long has been controversial.

Near the Bundy ranch in southern Nevada, homemade signs like this are a testament to the fact that the BLM has completely pulled out of the area in the year since the armed standoff over cattle grazing.
Kirk Siegler/NPR

[riqster]

4. White Privilege at its most extreme.

[KittyWampus]

7. Can only agree with you Riqster. What's worrisome is this issue,

while profound and far-reaching, just won't be on the public's radar. Probably not ever.

Except locally where the Far Right uses it their own benefit.

It would shock me if this ever got discussed in the coming presidential election.

And even if it did, how to you explain to uninformed voters the value of federal management of public lands?

But this issue goes to the core of what the United States is.

We are LITERALLY going over the same political ground we did in the 1800's.

[riqster]

9. Yep. I recently said the civil war was being re-fought.

I took a lot of heat for it, but I stand by the statement.

[KittyWampus]

12. as a medieval history geek, I also see strains of feudalism and problems that came from

atomizing society.

Ultimately, it's about have a strong central authority capable of controlling the Magnates.

A weak monarchy or federal government and the common man suffers.

[riqster]

13. Interesting parallel.

[KittyWampus]

16. another parallel is the armed and trained "knights" running amok.

In medieval times, there were periods when the armed professionals were out of control.

[muntrv]

15. I presume national parks will not explain the value of federal management, right?

[KittyWampus]

17. Perhaps that would work? I mean we could point to the value of the Grand Canyon

or Yosemite and people would probably get it.

But point to many acres of grazing land or such and it seems less clear.

Especially if ranchers using that grazing land whine about how they'll have to raise beef prices.

[Surya Gayatri]

18. 'But this issue goes to the core of what the United States is.'

^^^This^^^!

[riqster]

22. +1

[heaven05]

33. +1000

[SummerSnow]

53. It can be it's own enemy

[malaise]

11. They are picking them off one by one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6510110

[riqster]

14. A miniscule effort.

Better than nothing. But not enough.

[JEB]

55. Gotta look forward ya know.

[nykym]

2. Thier actions do have consequences

One by one they will go down.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016120234

[KittyWampus]

3. Drops in a bucket. Because now the Far Right politicians are supporting the takeover of Federal Land

So besides the individual idiot gun humpers you have politicians and businessmen spearheading a movement to usurp federal ownership and control.

[riqster]

5. I've been hearing that for a long time.

And seen only such tiny dribs and drabs as you cite. Meanwhile, the major players are celebrated and feted in the media.

[muntrv]

6. Time to go NYPD on these seditionists. Dust of the Patriot Act, since it covers domestic terrorism.

[riqster]

8. Not while the Teabaggers and Repubs are in their corner.

It would be bad "optics" to treat these people like the criminals they are, don'tcha know.

[KittyWampus]

10. that might be the hook the feds would need. Wait and see who is in the crowd. Make sure some

have records and make sure that plays a factor when eventually dispersing them.

[riqster]

21. It might if they actually followed through.

[Orsino]

19. We could probably cut this problem in half...

...if Obamacare would guarantee Viagra to all.

[riqster]

20. Well, it's covered by more plans than The Pill already...

[Romeo.lima333]

23. 0ne of these ought to take care of them

[riqster]

26. Nononono, we mustn't do anything that might anger the Teabaggers!

[Trillo]

24. Are you suggesting the police are institutionally "transferring" their anger to others?

Instead of taking out their aggression on the folks who are dangerous, they instead choke to death people handling cigarettes on public streets, or against kids in school through zero-tolerance and the school-to-prison pipeline?

[riqster]

25. It is not just rank-and-file cops, sad to say.

If you're White and Right, 'sallright.
If you're Brown, you'll be put down.

[Turbineguy]

27. I need some

plumbing repairs done.

[riqster]

28. Joe will no doubt be thrilled. :-)

[mountain grammy]

29. If necessary, bring in the National Guard.

enforce the fucking law!

[riqster]

31. Yep. When it's unarmed non-teabaggers that happens.

Armed white wingnuts get a pass.

[Novara]

30. Anybody could see this coming

Haven't we all learned in school that if you give a bully an inch he'll take a mile? The only way this sort of domestic terrorism ends is with bloodshed and stiff prison sentences. They'll keep pushing it until there's bloodshed.

Yes, I do believe this is a seditious civil war.

[riqster]

32. The feds fucked this up, big time.

Now the amount of violence will be far greater.

[heaven05]

37. yep

I was one that counseled caution and don't start shooting. White people(RW and the fascists and racists, of which there are MANY in this country, male and female)would get up in arms, literally, against that man of color that is our POTUS. AND, I was wrong. Big time. Should have shut that goddamn ranch down!

[riqster]

39. Hey, your heart was in the right place.

The Bundyoids, by contrast, have their hearts in a very bad place. Good people often overestimate the morality of evil people.

[jwirr]

34. Anyone got the stats on how many of these non-Americans there are in this country? We do not

even have to ask if they are well armed. I suspect that at the time of the Bundy raid it was seen as swatting the bee away instead of causing the whole hive to attack you. I don't think it would take much to start a nationwide rebellion.

[riqster]

35. Perhaps. But not swatting has proven counterproductive.

[jwirr]

44. I agree with you just pointing out what might have been the reasoning behind letting them go.

[riqster]

51. You are correct.

[drm604]

40. I think this is why they're hesitant to do anything. It's out of fear of a greater rebellion.

Of course the problem with that kind of thinking is that doing nothing can embolden these idiots and create the same problem. Laws need to be enforced, otherwise you're giving up control and losing authority.

[jwirr]

45. I agree just pointing out what may have been the thinking at the time.

[Hoyt]

36. Should we ever have a national disaster, these folks will wield their weapons as power.

You think Republicans are bad, try these right wing ignorant, racist, armed intimidators.

[riqster]

38. Repubs support such goons, actively and tacitly.

The GOP includes these clowns.

[heaven05]

42. Sad

that a POC, who is also our POTUS, can cause this type of fear among such a large sub group of people. America has NEVER stopped fighting the civil war and because, like when the slaves were initially free, post civil war. POC were allowed to run for office and enjoy the fruits of our so called democracy. They did enjoy for a short season and then the fearful segregationists and the carpetbaggers stepped in to shut down the freedom of all POC because they were in elected offices, mostly local and starting businesses, buying land. I sense the same reaction to Nov 4 2008 and the election of Barack Hussein Obama leading up to these domestic terrorists and their threat to law and order. Time to nip it in the bud. Foxsnooze and RW hate radio be damned.

And don't get me wrong, when and if these vicious, mostly racist/fascists idiots are shut down there will be and we will have big trouble in our land, leading to some very fearful consequence for POC, gays, women who are not in the kitchen having terrorist babies and any 'others' until these groups are destroyed. Just my guess. Not speaking for anyone else or group.

[jwirr]

46. I think we have already seen it in the Oklahoma bombing years ago. If I am not mistaken the

bomber was a member of a militia from Michigan.

[riqster]

52. Correct.

[drm604]

41. Can't they go after Bundy's financial assets?

My understanding is that he's lost the court cases and they have every legal right to stop him from using that land without paying the fees. Can't they just take what he owes from his financial assets? Can't the federal government get a court order allowing them to do so?

[riqster]

43. Yes, they can.Their hesitance is puzzling and troubling.

[drm604]

47. I keep hoping that they have some kind of plan and are biding their time.

But that's probably just wishful thinking.

[riqster]

50. I have given up.

Methinks somebody in BLM is on the take.

[drm604]

54. But surely the Justice Department or Executive would be wondering why the BLM is not acting.

My concern is that it's higher up than the BLM.

They may simply be hesitant to do anything for fear of an even larger incident. The right-wing propaganda machine has made this country into a powder-keg.

[riqster]

56. I understand the concern.

But think they are going about it the wrong way.

[Savannahmann]

48. But those guys were supposed to be a bunch of cowards.

You know, if you fired one gun at the sky, they would all shit their pants.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024887801#post19

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024824352#post9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017189944#post9

How did they get so dangerous if they are all a bunch of lunatic cowards? Since I have it on good authority from the experts here, many experts I might add, I just don't think they can be that big of a problem.

[riqster]

49. Yep. Whether they were allegedly fluffy bunnies or wildcats,

...the message was "Don't make them mad".

Stupid turlingdromes.

[Scurrilous]

57. Where's Bigfoot when you need him?

[Arugula Latte]

59. Damn, no kidding.

Come on, Squatch! Your country needs you!

[cascadiance]

58. It always seems like the second Tuesday of the month here in Oregon when we get gun incidents...

... happening. In the past was:

Tuesday, December 12th, 2012 - Clackamas mall shooting right before Sandy Hook shooting a few days later.
Tuesday, June 10th, 2014 - Troutdale school shooting here in Portland

and now this attempt to perhaps start some gun violence on Tuesday, April 14th, 2015

Is this pattern just coincidence? Or is something else going on that has this happen then...

I've noticed this because in each of these situations, we've had a monthly local political platform committee meeting that happened on the same day as these events were happening, that made this aspect more noticeable at the time.