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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Republican talking points on Sunday morning TV...
If there is one thing the Republicans do well, it is that they all sing from the same songbook.
All the Republicans wanted to talk about how "divisive" this President has been and how he made the killing of Bin Laden a political issue, instead of something we could all be proud about.
No surprise that none of the hosts questioned the "divisive" charge. It is so hypocritical that it almost defies description. From a Party that has blocked everything this President has proposed, including appointment of judges, it sounds so cynical to almost being criminal. But, they were not questioned on it.
They charged the President with "spiking" the ball on the Bin Laden issue. Their intent is to minimize and weaken the strongest political achievement of this President. They suggest that they would never "spike" the ball if they had been able to find and kill Bin Laden. They would never use it as a political issue. But everyone knows that is a baldfaced lie, including the Sunday morning hosts, who simply let them ramble on.
Another point they all wanted to make was about how terrible the economy has done under Obama. In fact, he has created more private sector jobs than did George W Bush. All of the present job losses are in the public sector - teachers, firemen, policemen, etc. This is because of the Republican policies, not because of the President's policies. But, again, silence from the Sunday morning hosts.
And the Republicans wanted everyone to know that businesses wanted stability and predictability in the tax rates. Obviously, ten years is not long enough for us to know whether the Bush tax cuts are working or not? I think we have enough evidence to make a decision on that question. They failed. Let's move on.
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AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)What's wrong with being divisive and rejecting de facto immunity for war criminals and banksters?
What's wrong with being divisive and rejecting the Bush tax cuts?
Under such circumstances, what's wrong with being divisive? Is it too late for President Obama to do so?
The Republican talking points should not prevent us from using reason.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)kentuck
(111,089 posts)You can't spike the ball unless you score a touchdown!
madashelltoo
(1,698 posts)Spiking the ball IS only annoying to people who were unhappy there was a touchdown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)rating. They worth more than gold.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)People do love to see anger and conflict in rather than learn valuable information.
rgbecker
(4,831 posts)To reiterate:
1. Having a black president is divisive.
2. Obama takes credit for getting Bin Laden.
3. Economy is terrible.
4. Businesses want stability.
Now the rest of the story:
1. Gays should be locked up, tortured and executed. Or at least, if you get one on your staff, don't listen to him.
2. Women should be locked up in their houses. Or at least, make sure they can't get health insurance or contraception coverage.
3. Government departments of education, environmental protection, energy, social security, medicare, medicaid, food stamps, head start should all be shut down or at least de-funded.
4. No one should be allowed to vote without jumping through hoops. Or at least make them get a photo ID.
5. All unions, especially public employee unions should be banned. Or at least not allowed to collectively bargain.
6. If possible, all the wealth of the country should be shifted to the deserving, that is the ones that have all or most of it already. Or at least, make sure the tax code gives those earning unearned income (Dividends, Interest and Capital gains) a nice tax break.
Add your own.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)so I can afford to send mine to Yale.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,956 posts)That's the pot calling the kettle black.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Turn the candidates strength into a weakness
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)wanted to keep OBL alive so he could plot to attack America again, huh? Thats what they are telling me. They want Al Qaeda to remain strong.
The video is a disgrace to the America people, what assholes the goppers are. These so called "Christians" lie, lie, cheat, steal, distort, kill, threaten all in the name of their GAWD.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)has well trained puppets.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)It's brilliant; no matter what the polls show (unless it's a massive blowout) the president can be called divisive.
Sure, the President is winning this poll on unnamed issue but only by 10 points. He's dividing America!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Fine. We'll be divisive.
We'll take the killing of Bin Laden
And you GOP can have 9/11.
basically pwned That tool David Gregory.
He tries using right wing talking points and Joe throws back facts! It was awesome!
Gregory was definitely flustered.
GO JOE!!!
jillan
(39,451 posts)SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I cannot stand to watch the "journalists" just sit there and let the Repukes lie unchallenged. It's like how Wolf Blitzer let's some Repuke drone on until time for commercial, then says, "we'll have to leave it there."
kentuck
(111,089 posts)Say anything you want and we will never challenge your lies.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)they have no choice, kinda like the fish swimming, water being wet, or us breathing.
It's the means by which they collectively escape the shame that the individual units are constantly warding off by the same means, through the miracle of ego preservation by way of denial.
After all, if you collectively had such a spectacularly successful record at failure -- what they do "the best" -- your "choices" are extremely limited, and confined to either owning up to them, or doing what we see them do daily anymore, which is lie, scapegoat, deflect, project, etc. We see this done by their high priests you witnessed, all the way down to the lowliest and most stupid rightwingnut trolls.
I've read a great deal of late about "The republican brain" and the various efforts to explain the underlying causes for the obnoxious outward behavior you're describing here, and to me the loathing and disgust they make apparent with efforts like this is key to understanding that it is avoidance of self-disgust and loathing behind a great deal if not most of it. This is why so much of that which they direct at BHO and liberals/lefties generally is totally fabricated, and often something they are the most if not exclusively guilty of -- because they know they can't win by honest means, or by putting their record into a debate on the merits, given it is one of countless and gross failures, as well as full of violations of the xtian ethics they only pay lip service to as largely weekend warriors. Their complete abandonment of the 9th Commandment as seen in their granting license for decades now, to their pols and pundits to lie without fear of any financial or political reprisal, represents irrefutable testimony to and substantiation of the charge that they think that liars occupy the moral high ground.
I never had any trouble providing the facts and reasons for my loathing and disgust for say, the unindicted war criminal and burning Bush, but as we see daily, they have to fuel their loathing and disgust with BS. I suppose if I was stupid enough to have voted for a Bush twice, I'd be seeking validation of and vindication for it in the manner they do to. That's the reason why their loathing and disgust with BHO is way outta proportion with facts to support it -- their fresh memories of the many and varied failures they wholly supported and championed with Bush, that the historical record now shows to have been failures and stupid in the extreme, except to their monied masters that profited from it.
They and their minions as I've long argued it, are similar to and often easily confused with, their ideological cousins the Nazis, in terms of the dynamics here. The only difference is, rather than being guilty of something of the type and on the scale of the Holocaust, their "Big Lie" techniques have only resulted in the death and displacement of millions of Iraqis abroad, and the perpetuation and increasing of human misery here at home for the "others". This is why I started arguing a decade or more now, that the twin towers were almost immediately replaced with the dark twin towers of apathy and ignorance that have only steadily grown since.
This is also why some of their worst critics like Frum, Stockman, Shaeffer, etc -- those who broke away from the cult -- relish their work so, because it provides a sorta penance for their sins as former participants in the cult, and works as a kinda ego and soul salve for what they have accepted as their guilt.
The simple fact of the matter is, unless and until their minions crash into the wall of reality in sufficeint enough numbers -- like the German people seeing photos of the death camps -- they are gonna continue doubling down on the apathy and ignorance, and all the various dishonest means they have to maintain the political status quo. I think a great deal of their more recent madness and escalations in this regard, is due to the awareness on the part of their masters, that issues like jobs, health care, and the looming crisis of global warming, are gonna require "socialistic" solutions, and the looming brown demographic wave threatens their hold on political power, and will see to it that ideas about social justice are pursued and enforced.
The con rats are titanic failures http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/05/05/33-quotes/ , and are merely trying to secure as big a life raft as they can before their ship goes down. It's never been the failure of BHO or lefties they've feared and loathed, but rather their successes, because they always have the undesirable side effect of whittling away at both their money pile and the political power they wield with it. That kinda governing is never a problem.
And all their lying, etc, is merely how the selfish, self-centered, greedy and power hungry, keep themselves, and more importantly their needed minions, keep themselves convinced they are the "moral" ones. "Morality and politics are inseparable" said St. Raygun, and morality in turn, is what spawns the loathing and disgust behind all of their "divider", etc BS.
It's the wrong time to be on the right, because I'm convinced that their time is short, and events are gonna widen the self-created hole in their "good" ship Lolli-Flop, because they have no solutions to the many aforementioned problems that plague us of largely their creation.
good post by the way
It only goes to show you all the "good work" done by that "in the tank for BHO/liberal media" no?
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)And he gave his canned answer, no matter the question. When Wallace asked Rubio to name two things Obama has done that specifically hurt small businesses his canned answer had four items so he gave them all. The first two were "uncertainty" about policy -- how would that change under Romney? One was about burdensome regulation but not a single example of an Obama regulation that was burdensome. I forget the fourth. But to summarize, Rubio couldn't be specific about anything -- I guess to him everybody already knows what they are. Except, we don't because they don't exist. It is all one giant fabrication -- lock, stock and barrel.
Since the media will play these phoney talking points over and over and over again Obama needs to buy ads to counter the free air time given Republicans. It sucks but it is the reality.
Initech
(100,068 posts)spanone
(135,830 posts)I BLAME THE MEDIA
opihimoimoi
(52,426 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)every rightwing host was using the word slush fund to refer to the health care debate.
Also, they are trying to focus on Obama and Michelle's clothes and travel and celebrity.. paint them as royalty wannabees.