She's a Monster

[kpete]

She's a Monster
Posted by Melissa McEwan at Thursday, April 16, 2015
[Content Note: Misogyny.]

So, one of the things I was thinking about, after I posted the thing about Elizabeth Warren and Hillary Clinton, is how often I rarely hear Hillary Clinton spoken about in the same sentence as another woman without a frame that casts them as adversaries and/or competitors.

With the important caveats that no woman owes Hillary Clinton a vote, and that she must continue to work to earn the trust of all women, especially women of color, I find it really interesting (ahem) that a female candidate who has spent much of her career talking about women's issues is almost never discussed as having a good relationship with any other women.

And, the thing is, Clinton works extremely well with lots of other women. She seems to have a warm relationship with lots of her female colleagues: Women who work for her, women who work with her, other female leaders in the US, other female leaders around the globe.

Just a quick Google image search later, here is a totally different narrative than the one we usually get about Hillary Clinton:











Clearly, all of these women hate Hillary Clinton, and she is a monster.

some MORE really good pics to remind us that there is humans are NOT one dimensional (not even Hillary Clinton):
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/04/shes-monster.html#disqus_thread

[Capt. Obvious]

1. I thought this was going to be about Samantha Power

[DURHAM D]

4. Me too.

[Stuart G]

2. k and r..nt

[NCTraveler]

3. K&R. nt.

[Thinkingabout]

5. Hillary's advocacy on women's issues has been going for many years and this has been world wide.

There are women who would never vote for Hillary and I don't think this will affect her advocacy for all women's issues in the future. It is women who do not earn as much as men, violence against women, and women on an even level with men considered for promotions.

Yes there are email sent in advance of candidates arriving in towns and usually includes an invitation to have you attend the event. This would be a payback to the volunteer work. If I should get an invitation to be able to meet with Hillary I will be making a large effort on my part to attend. I have been following the Clintons intently since 1980 and it would be my pleasure to meet Hillary.

[seabeyond]

6. yes, from the beginning of time women are set up against each other

something i work hard at dispelling in personal life. we are so conditioned to be that woman.

[brer cat]

8. Amen, seabeyond! nt

[stevenleser]

7. I haven't met her, but everyone I talk to that has met her says she is charming and engaging...

... and that it is not an act.

[sabrina 1]

29. I have met her and she is charming and engaging. Very approachable and interested in

conversation with those she is engaging.

I still oppose her Foreign Policies and her close ties to Wall St.

You can like someone and disagree with them on politics.

[Scootaloo]

52. Careful, bringing up policy is the key to being "hater"

[ND-Dem]

56. i haven't met her but the clip where she says "we came, we saw, he died" speaking

of gaddafi while she laughed, was neither charming nor engaging. it was creepy.

maybe that's what passes for charm & sophisticated humor in DC these days. I suppose she has the edge on bush in that department.

[planetc]

9. Gosh, I had no idea ...

...that Angela Merkel could smile. Also Justices Kagan and Sotomayor need more company on the Court. Makes you think, doesn't it?

[leftyladyfrommo]

10. I have heard that Hil's staff is very loyal to her.

That says a lot in this day and age.

[liberal_at_heart]

11. gender just isn't one of the criteria by which I base my vote. I don't really care if the candidate

I end up supporting is male or female.

[hamsterjill]

12. Great Post!

I personally believe that one of Hillary's biggest strength is her ability to know and use the talents of other people. I hate that there is pitting of Hillary against Elizabeth Warren, when the two women met early on and have undeniably come to some understanding. I like them both and see no reason why they cannot work together on issues for the country. I think they are both smart enough to know that what they do is FOR THE COUNTRY!

Hillary is wise enough to know that she will benefit from the talents of others. That's what a good leader does!

[BlueMTexpat]

15. Exactly! IMO, the "pitting of Hillary against

Elizabeth" is largely in the eye of those who promote such a confrontation and who don't really know either woman.

Those who have actually met or worked with Hillary know that she is a warm, compassionate, caring, intelligent - and best of all, highly qualified - woman who would make an outstanding national leader. And that is not just a pose for photo ops!

Is she perfect? No, but she's pretty darn close, IMO. And I have been around for a LONG time and seen many flashes in the pan come and go in my 70+ years.

Do I also like Elizabeth? Yes, I totally adore her. But she isn't running in this election cycle.

[hamsterjill]

17. I could have typed your post!!! LOL

I feel exactly the same way as what you said.

I also feel that Elizabeth will have HER time at a point in the future. She's way too talented and should have a long life in politics.

Hillary has worked long and hard to get to where she is today, and I believe she is deserving of a shot at the presidency. Yes, we would have a primary season, but I think when all is said and done, barring some completely unanticipated event, that she will be the nominee. I will be happy with that, and I'll be first in line to vote!

[seabeyond]

31. ""pitting of Hillary against Elizabeth" : excellent example. nt

[davidpdx]

74. I would support Warren if she chose to run, but it has nothing to with promoting confrontation

As for Hillary Clinton's confrontation with other women, I've never heard anything about that before.

[samsingh]

13. she will make a fantastic President

[BlueMTexpat]

14. Thanks so much for your OPs, kpete!

They are spot on.

[Hoppy]

16. O.k. We've solve the women problem thingy. Now, if we can only get the Iraq war vote out of our mind

Funny. I figured out that the basis for the Iraq war was bullshit before the war began. Was she that dumb or didn't she want to be labeled as weak on national defense.

After all, she probably figured out in 2003 -- nobody would elect a week kneed liberal as president.

[sufrommich]

18. "women problem thingy"

[d_legendary1]

24. Weak kneed Liberal?

Tell that to Obama (he didn't vote for the war and got elected twice). The shrub won because the votes were rigged.

[seabeyond]

27. that ole woman thingy can now go to the back of the bus?

[LadyHawkAZ]

37. "women problem thingy"

Please be more transparent.

[Hoppy]

38. Well, the focus of the thread is that St. Hillary has a problem with women. Then the o.p.'s author

proceeds to demolish that argument with nice photos.

So, since the o.p. has settled the point with solid evidence that women like Hillary, lets get on with something with more substance.

[LadyHawkAZ]

39. Feel free to start your criticism of her logo at any time n/t

[Hoppy]

42. There is nothing to criticize about the logo. In fact it is well executed.

[seabeyond]

40. you were being dismissive and demeaning to women. that simple. have the guts to say it when called

you threw it out there to play the game.

[Hoppy]

43. It has nothing to do with being dismissive of women.

The point of the thread is that there is nothing wrong with Hillary's positions and actions except that some women may not like her.

Well...
She is a corporatist.
She is pro war.
She is pro oil (when they contribute to her foundation).

To reduce the complaints about her to the essence that some women may not like her?

The thread is ridiculous.

There are issues that are more important than if she appeals to women.

[seabeyond]

46. no. that was not the point. reducing it to a womans thingie shows how much you do not

know what you are talking about.

this goes so beyond what you are capable of. and ya.... taking it to a womans thingie absolutely is fuckin dismissive and throwing the shit in womens face with a finger and a move along.

dont like clinton? dont give a shit.

dismiss womens issue like this, i am gonna call it.

[JI7]

44. "women problem thingy"

[Hoppy]

45. That is my reaction to the original post. It is dismissive because the topic is dismissive of real

real problems facing the nation.

[seabeyond]

47. MAYBE you ought to listen to the women instead of cavalarly dismissing us too, before you tell women

what are "important" issues are and allow to discuss.

[Hoppy]

49. To me, important issues are those that are going to cost lives, affect health and/or cost money.

[seabeyond]

51. you attempted to put women in their place, for no real apparent reason.

[JTFrog]

69. Then you should put "women thingies" at the top of your list.

important issues are those that are going to cost lives, affect health and/or cost money.

Many women will suffer or die because of the war on women in this country and others. If that isn't important to you, then I think you are in the wrong place.

[Hoppy]

71. Re-read the post to which you are responding.

If women's' lives are lost itvewont matter to them if the "thingy" in the opening post is handled.

[JTFrog]

72. No thanks. I will throw up if I read it again. n/t

[Hoppy]

73. Then u agree your argument is without merit if u can't respond to it.

[JTFrog]

77. Actually it's a matter of choice.

Pun intended.

[Hoppy]

79. Good response.

[FiveGoodMen]

19. She's historically been a proponent of wars we shouldn't fight...

Wall Street-friendly policies we shouldn't implement, and the TPP (which is the end of national sovereignty).

All this personality stuff is completely beside the point.

The presidential elections should be a choice in how we'll run our country. They're not a Junior High popularity contest.

[rury]

22. +1 million FiveGoodMen

Those and other reasons are why she will not get my vote in the primaries. And not one penny, one phone call or one door knock from me for the entire election cycle. She can rely on her "hardworking white Americans" and her racist PUMAs for that kind of support.
In the general election I will vote against her GOP opponnent instead of for her.
She showed herself to be a monster when it mattered in 2008. That conduct spoke volumes to me about her character, far more than these pictures of her grinning beside other women ever could.
Samantha Power was right!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Thank you! Her racist campaign is one of the many issues that turned me from her as a woman of color

She has to EARN my vote.

No special treatment here.

[seabeyond]

35. sexism AND racism of 2008. with the understanding i was supporting obama

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. Oh, you found a photo of two white boys who supported Obama, dismissing the racism

coming DIRECTLY FROM Hillary Clinton herself, her surrogates, and her fans here on DU.

I don't give a damn who you ended up voting for.

I know there's plenty of racist white men in the Democratic Party.

But I also know that there are plenty of racist white women in the Democratic Party who pretend to be cool with black women and other women of color.

Bottom line: Hillary Clinton has to earn my vote. Just like Obama had to. Just like any other Democratic Party candidate had to in the past.

Hillary Clinton gets no special treatment no matter how self-entitled she or her fans are.

She has to earn it!

And don't play that sexism bullshit with me. I'm a fucking black woman. We know what sexism and racism are. Very well!

[seabeyond]

41. no. i am making the statement that both racism and sexism happened at that time.

because for a fact both sexism and racism happened during that time.

i specifically gave you that i supported obama so it was clear i am not a clinton fan, cheerleader, worship or whatever nonsense.

[ALBliberal]

53. that bothered me too (racism in the primary) and yet the President has moved past that

I am moving past it as well. I think she would be a terrific president.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

62. The president has moved past it. Good for him. Many people of color have not. Including me....

She must make amends.

I know a hell of a lot of black folk who are keeping their black asses home; or, who will just vote for Democrats on the down-ticket and skip voting for her if she's the nominee. Please trust me on this.

Black people are sick and fucking tired of racist ass Democrats taking us for granted.

No more of this bullshit!

Stop telling us to get over it. Stop telling us to move past it.

The president got over it because he had to. I'm sure in the back of his mind, he hasn't gotten over shit, and I sure as hell don't blame him.

Stop writing us off.

You would not like it if someone told you to get over being shitted on.

How fucking dare you!!!

[ALBliberal]

63. stating a fact that the President was past it

He didn't have to make her SOS nor back her candidacy. I choose to follow his lead. I respect your right to do what you want and feel as you do. I don't think your language and rhetoric in your reply are warranted. Have a nice week Liberal_Stalwart71.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

66. I really don't give a shit about what the president has gotten over.

She is running for president. She has to make amends to the *voters* for her actions. Period!

[ALBliberal]

67. i can't imagine ever wanting to have an exchange with you again

I started out saying how I agreed with you but how and why I changed my mind then you cussed and ranted then I reply that you're welcome to your own opinion and you reply by cussing and ranting. How would you ever get anyone to see your viewpoint or even understand your view? I am blocking you and I have never done that before. Good luck in life.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

68. You're telling black people to essentially "get over racism". That is absolutely

asinine! That is ridiculous! If you understood how incredibly cruel and horrible you sound, you would not even respond this way to me.

We expect this from Republicans.

Do you realize that there are a great many blacks who will not support Hillary Clinton? I may be one of them. I think she IS a monster.

[DrKZ]

58. Agreed

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/

After understanding how her position on abortion affected poor women and also which she agreed with and still touts as a good thing in the Clinton presidency in the 90's was the transformation of welfare ...

Her continued support of the privatization of public education has alao affected poor women and women of color

[Maedhros]

26. Any number of historically bad politicians have been personally very charming. [n/t]

[upaloopa]

28. So you don't think you would like to have a beer

with Hillary. Most people use emotion when they look at a candidate as well as the candidate's record. But for you three strikes means Hillary has nothing to offer the country. Very shallow thinking I would say.

[MaggieD]

20. The media won't let us have a female president

That was obvious to me the last time she ran.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

33. Please! Don't blame that on the media. She ran a shitty campaign. Blame it on HER!

President Obama earned his vote! She must earn her vote, too.

[MaggieD]

57. Nah, the sheeple believe what the media tells....

... Them to believe. Much of which is BS.

[DesertDiamond]

21. Agreed! Still not a fan, but yes I have heard she works well with other women. And this speaks

very well of Hillary's character. I'm marking this a big plus on my mental chalkboard.

[Surya Gayatri]

23. K & R for female solidarity...

[Triana]

25. An anecdote...

....I had someone in my life for over 4 years who portrayed me as a "monster". He was combative, abusive, insulting, belittling, controlling and jealous. He humiliated me in public and blew up (in public) at the drop of a hat - yet told me he was afraid of ME humiliating HIM in front of "his people" (as if they were The King's subjects). He portrayed me (to myself and others) as "too angry" and made sexist and insulting remarks to me constantly.

After 4 years, I set the asshole loose on another whose butt he'd been sniffing whilst he was still with me. After 4 years, he knew me not one iota better than he did the day we met. IOW, he didn't know me at all. One of my last comments to him was "the anger you see in me, is YOURS."

Beware those who seek to portray certain of us in the negative without ever bothering to truly know us, instead preferring to look at us through the dirtied lens of their own fear, jealousy, meanness and "monsterism".

These kind of people project their own meanness onto others and blame others for their own abusive personalities -- rather than fixing themselves -- they blame someone else.

This is how I view those who call Hillary Clinton a "monster". I don't agree with all her past policy positions but "monster", she is not.

However, I'm not so sure about those who call her that. I think THEY are the real monsters. Just like that abuser I put up with for 4 years - he didn't know me. And these people don't know Hillary either. But they have to blame someone for their own meanness. And she's a convenient target.

[UtahLib]

30. Wow! Great post and so very true. nt

[ismnotwasm]

60. Oh damn

Excellent post

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

32. I get the point, but she still has to earn my vote--woman or not.

[JTFrog]

70. That was clearly said in the linked piece:

With the important caveats that no woman owes Hillary Clinton a vote, and that she must continue to work to earn the trust of all women, especially women of color, I find it really interesting (ahem) that a female candidate who has spent much of her career talking about women's issues is almost never discussed as having a good relationship with any other women.

http://www.shakesville.com/2015/04/shes-monster.html#disqus_thread

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

75. And I and other women of color will continue to repeat ad nauseum

until she and her self-entitled fans fully understand this point.

[JTFrog]

76. Sorry, your insults are wasted on me. n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

80. I insulted YOU because I demand that Hillary Clinton respect black voters? HUH????

That's rich. You're the victim. Got it.

[JTFrog]

81. Fuck that noise.

You know damn well I was referring to this:

her self-entitled fans

Nice try tho.

[DeSwiss]

48. I've never said she was a monster.

- I've not heard anyone else say it. And I've not read that anywhere. Except here. So I'll chalk this up to hyperbolic politicking.

K&R

She's a fallible human being just like the rest of us........

[Hekate]

50. Sisterhood is powerful

[DrKZ]

59. Yup especiallyif you are a bourgeois white older woman but for the rest of us ... not so much

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/

[Hekate]

61. The link was cited in an OP in the AA group on Tuesday 4-14, but has no response yet as of 4-18

[wheniwasincongress]

54. Interview with Maura Pally

This recent interview speaks very well of Hillary and her female relationships:

http://postimg.org/image/d10o3zesd/

[Bonobo]

55. And the straw men just keep getting bigger!

Seems like people are just piling on more and more straw.

No one thinks she is a monster (almost no one) so the OP is really nothing more than a straw man with some photo opps.

[eridani]

64. Big minds deal with issues, and little minds deal with personality

I don't like the Iraq war, TPP, Keystone XL or getting cuddly with banksters at $400,000 pop. Do you?

[Art_from_Ark]

65. Or palsing around with people who epitomize what is wrong with the Republican Party

And then, there's her husband, a man I once greatly admired

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/barbara-bush-gushes-bill-clinton-treats-george-h-w-bush-father-article-1.1113917

[Gothmog]

78. These are great photos