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Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:40 AM May 2012

Question about cuts to USPS

Is there any way to trace where the genesis for the idea for cuts to the United States Postal Service are actually coming from? Are they actually ficically need cuts or is this generated by lobbyists? Anyone know? Because I'm wondering if this is motivated by the commercial shippers who would benefit from eliminating the USPS and its competitive pricing. If you get the USPS out of the way, couldn't you, as a commercial shipper, have more control and ability to raise your prices?

I'm getting a feeling of deja vu with this. It seems very similar for the push to privatize social security where the commercial investing firms would stand to receive all that money.

Do I have a point here or do I just not understand where the actual call for the cuts is from?

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Question about cuts to USPS (Original Post) Shankapotomus May 2012 OP
my understanding is the republicans made them prefund pensions to a ridiculous level (link:) unblock May 2012 #1
Your understanding is incorrect hack89 May 2012 #2
It was conservative policy regardsless of who passed it... uponit7771 May 2012 #3
But it was bi-partisan hack89 May 2012 #5
You only have half the story Occulus May 2012 #8
i think the issue is more that republicans aren't letting anyone fix the problem. unblock May 2012 #6
The recession did change the calculations hack89 May 2012 #7
hmmm... Shankapotomus May 2012 #4
Go broke and privatize. nadinbrzezinski May 2012 #9

unblock

(52,208 posts)
1. my understanding is the republicans made them prefund pensions to a ridiculous level (link:)
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
May 2012

so they're not actually going broke, but they've been forced to divert so much money to the pension that they're starved for funds for actual operations.

properly-funded pensions are a good thing, but over-funded pensions are just a waste.


edited to add link: http://www.postmasters.org/legislation/papers/Talking%20Points%20Pension%20retiree%20benefits0311Final.pdf

hack89

(39,171 posts)
2. Your understanding is incorrect
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:01 AM
May 2012

in as far as the legislation was bi-partisan and co-sponsored by Henry Waxman. It passed unanimously in the Senate with no Democratic opposition.

http://oversight-archive.waxman.house.gov/documents/20040824121826-81404.pdf

hack89

(39,171 posts)
5. But it was bi-partisan
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:10 AM
May 2012

I know many want to pin this on the Republicans but that is simply not right.

Occulus

(20,599 posts)
8. You only have half the story
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:55 AM
May 2012

The unions were told that it was either take the poison pill or the Republicans would go after dismantling the unions and canceling the contract... and they had the votes to do it at the time.

It was either this or massive job losses and no contract.

unblock

(52,208 posts)
6. i think the issue is more that republicans aren't letting anyone fix the problem.
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:32 AM
May 2012

i don't think waxman or the democrats intended to divert so much money that it would cause these kind of problems.

perhaps the recession made some of the calculations turn out to be more inappropriate than when the law was passed.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. The recession did change the calculations
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:47 AM
May 2012

unfortunately everything now is caught up in election year politics. But then again, Democrats play bare knuckle politics too, so I am more prone to blame our political system as opposed to a particular party.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
4. hmmm...
Mon May 7, 2012, 11:07 AM
May 2012

i wonder if that was the purpose of having them overfund, to make them go broke. or maybe they ran into trouble paying pensions in the past? i wouldn't put it past the republicans to enforce something without a pressing need for it, though.

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