As to Freddy Grey getting leg shackled after he had been in

[applegrove]

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the van for a bit: I saw someone talking on CNN and they said leg shackles are only put on to keep someone from going crazy in the locked van with kicking and hurting themself. I once saw a cat get hit by a car. That poor creature flipped around in a frenzy as soon as it was hit. That was its instinctive reaction to massive bluntforce trauma. It went on for 5 or more seconds.Then it stopped and was dead. That was so awful to witness. I was traumatized for years. Who's to say that with damaged vertebray from the arrest that Grey didn't go into an instinctive and traumatic frenzy in the back of the van , as his body was reacting to damage that had already occurred. A frenzy that was misinterpreted as non medical by the police. Just a theory. Because when they put the leg shackles on him (video just released to cnn) , on their way to pick up another prisoner, he was bent down, not standing. You never know.

[marym625]

1. bull.

That's really far fetched. We're not talking about someone with extreme mental problems. What you saw with the cat was most likely a seizure from brain damage.

[applegrove]

5. Why would he have been 'a danger to himself requiring leg shackles'

while in the back of the van? I guess I'm assuming nothing nefarious happened. Just the Pollyanna in me. I'm sure those investigating start with no assumptions. Of course I'm speculating.

[marym625]

8. from what I saw

And I only saw the video on my phone so it's hard to tell, he was in pain and his neck was messed up when they first put him in the van. Just like the "fuck your breath" cop, these cops didn't believe he was hurt nor did they give a fuck.

[applegrove]

9. That is my very point. Grey was in great traumatic injury

distress and the police did not interpret anything he did as a grave medical emergency. He may not have totally understood either. They say his voice box was crushed in the autopsyyet he was yelling as they dragged him to the van where he asked for Asthma medication. Again I am assuming nothing nefarious happened.

[marym625]

19. That makes no sense

The injury occurred when the police initially grabbed him. You don't severe your spinal cord 80% by your own actions. Not without a knife. And crushing his larynx probably all happened at the same time when they took him down. He cries and screams for medical attention were met with more restraint.

[applegrove]

20. putting a spinal injury in a van and driving without a seat

belt leaves room for more damage to be done is my point. The police were clueless to his needs.

[marym625]

21. They may have been clueless or just didn't give a shit

But they caused the injury.

[LibGranny]

10. +1

[spanone]

2. he was killed in police custody. he was fine, then he was dead.

murder.

[truebluegreen]

7. ^this^ murder.

[Lint Head]

3. So...let's see here...his spine breaks itself and his legs are shackled. Odd.

[Politicalboi]

4. I wonder if he was sliding back and forth

For every stop and go, and every turn. And for 30 minutes while they go get another prisoner. That guy may have more to say if something "bad" doesn't happen to him. It could have been shock that made them put the shackles on. I doubt if he were in pain he would purposely use his body to show his anger.

[truebluegreen]

6. As I understand it, the seizure you witnessed was not an "instinctive reaction",

it was the brain short-circuiting as it stopped functioning. And I bet many police officers do know, very well.

[Solomon]

11. Here we go again. White people will believe any fucking thing when it comes to black people.

Just like Trayvon was armed with a sidewalk and doubled back to attack Zimmerman after he tried to get away. Michael Brown after being shot at and hit, charged the fucking cop with his head. Black guys are trying to break into police cars now and arrest themselves. Anything but the fucking truth. I'm sick to death of this shit. Jeezuz fucking Christ the subconscious prejudice is rampant in this country.

Please don't tell us your take on the guy getting shot 8 times in the back while running away. I don't think I can take it.

[applegrove]

14. I was implying that the whole way along the police misinterpreted

a serious medical emergency as some young man acting up. When it was medically grave for Freddy Grey. Which would mean the police were at fault. Not letting white people off the hook at all. He should have been on a back board and in an ambulance from way before the start of the videos

[951-Riverside]

17. People arent going to sit back and let the police murder their loved ones. You know that, Right?

No matter how many excuses are made up for the actions of police officers when it comes to using force, one day all hell is going to break loose and one MRAP with a sound cannon mounted on top isnt going to fix it when it finally does happen.

The only way this outcome can be avoided is by holding police officers accountable instead of making up excuses for them and yes I know you're "just sayin'" and "just wonderin" while at the same time "not sayin" and "we don't know what happened before the video started" but its getting kind of old and people are getting real tired of it.

[Iggo]

18. Exactly.

[justiceischeap]

12. Police also only shoot people who deserve it too....

^ Heavy dose of there

Just because someone on CNN said this is the procedure doesn't mean that procedure is followed as it should be. The obvious answer is the damage was done to Grey after his van ride--out of prying eyes. His step-father at one point said his face looked beaten too. He certainly didn't look that way when they threw him in the back of the van, his voice box wasn't crushed then either but yet it was when he was delivered to the hospital. To me that's kinda like suggesting that Abner Louima sodomized himself with the broken broom handle.

But, hey, maybe Grey thrashed around so badly in the back of the van that he crushed his own larynx, bruised his own face and nearly severed his skull from his spine.

When I broke my leg in four places, I did NOT want to move and my body wouldn't let me. It knew that I shouldn't move, long before the pain set in. I'm not suggesting everyone's body reacts in the same way but our bodies and brains are pretty darn smart.

[Vinca]

13. Unfortunately there is no video showing how they put him down on the sidewalk.

Spines don't snap themselves and it seemed clear from what video was taken that he couldn't walk when they picked him up. My guess is somebody gave his neck a severe wrenching to get him on the ground. There is no way the police were innocent bystanders as they seem to be alleging.

[applegrove]

15. I'm not commenting on how he got the original injury. I too

think it happened at the original take down. My point was only that Grey's every action was misinterpreted.

[Vinca]

16. Exactly. It boiled down to running while black.