OMG! Bloomberg actually reports that Hillary helped negotiate the TPP!

[antigop]

h/t to Purveyor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=404454

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-21/martin-o-malley-seizes-on-hillary-clinton-s-vulnerability-on-trans-pacific-partnership

It's no mystery why the TPP, as it is commonly known, is the ad's subject. Hillary Clinton has been under pressure from progressives to pull her support for the emerging trade deal, which she helped to negotiate as secretary of state and championed as recently as November 2012, when she declared in a speech in Australia, “we need to keep upping our game both bilaterally and with partners across the region through agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership or TPP. ... This TPP sets the gold standard in trade agreements to open free, transparent, fair trade, the kind of environment that has the rule of law and a level playing field. And when negotiated, this agreement will cover 40 percent of the world's total trade and build in strong protections for workers and the environment.”

Business Week: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[sharp_stick]

1. OMG!!!

[onehandle]

2. If so, it was for her boss, President Obama. nt

[antigop]

3. "just following orders", eh? nt

[onehandle]

4. Oh, so she's a Nazi?

Good to know.

[antigop]

5. no, it's just not a valid defense. You should know that. Thanks for the kick. nt

[Lil Missy]

6. Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi!

[antigop]

7. thanks for the kick. nt

[Maedhros]

41. So I take it you approve of the TPP and Hillary's role in crafting it? [n/t]

[OhioChick]

8. K&R n/t

[peacebird]

9. K&R

[justiceischeap]

10. I'm sure John Kerry is too

It's part of what state department does under the Presidents orders. I guess should could have quit in protest.

And you're welcome for the kick.

[antigop]

16. "just following orders" is not a valid defense for one's actions. You should know that. nt

[OKNancy]

19. that's a dumb argument... since what she did for Obama was not illegal

"just following orders" is used when someone does something immoral or illegal.
Clinton doing work for Obama was neither

[antigop]

21. google "immoral" and "TPP". Google is your friend. nt

[OKNancy]

23. I get it now... you think this is new

If you had been reading DU, it's common knowledge.
Everyone knows she helped draft it, her detractors and her fans both know this.

[antigop]

24. it's "new" that Bloomberg actually wrote it. nt

[OKNancy]

25. nope

It's common knowledge.

[antigop]

28. so did you google "immoral" and "TPP"? nt

[LanternWaste]

35. It's also new that people pretend to know its contents

It's also new that people pretend to know its contents, and predicate some really juicy righteous rage off that lack of knowledge...

[antigop]

26. so did you google with search arguments "TPP" and "immoral"? nt

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[antigop]

22. thanks for the kick. nt

[geek tragedy]

11. Um, no shit. this is not news. nt

[antigop]

12. has Bloomberg reported this previously? nt

[geek tragedy]

13. That Clinton was Secretary of State from 2009-2013?

TPP negotiations began in 2008-2009.

[antigop]

14. no, that she was a lead negotiator for the TPP. nt

[geek tragedy]

15. Most of us had already assumed that. That was her job. nt

[antigop]

17. who's "us"? I doubt most voters know it. Thanks for the kicks. nt

[geek tragedy]

18. It's an international agreement. that means diplomats negotiating things. nt

[antigop]

20. and what unions and worker councils were involved in the negotiations? nt

[JoePhilly]

31. Which part of the Constitution has unions or workers councils negotiating treaties or trade deals?

[antigop]

33. how many corporations were involved in the negotiations?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[JoePhilly]

36. Has nothing to do with the fact that tSOS is significantly involved in the negotiations.

I'm struggling to understand how folks who have been screaming about TPP for many years now had no idea that the SOS, and the state department, were heavily involved.

Was that a big secret?

[antigop]

37. No, you are missing the point. Please read the rest of this thread. nt

[Renew Deal]

42. Those paying attention. Google is your friend. nt

[Sheepshank]

34. She was a lead negotiator?

And she was doing her job? Omfg

[JoePhilly]

32. You'd think the folks who have been screaming about TPP for the last N years ...

... might know that the SOS would be involved in the negotiations.

Kind of makes you wonder.

Well, not really.

[antigop]

38. thanks for the kick. nt

[JoePhilly]

40. Oh no, I kicked a silly thread!!!!!

Hey, I did it again!!

On no!!!!

[RiverLover]

27. So glad this fact is going mainstream.

People need to know. Thanks for posting!

[antigop]

29. no. no, it's "common knowledge", dontcha know? nt

[NanceGreggs]

46. It's been common knowledge among those paying attention ...

... for quite a few years now, and has been discussed many times right here on DU.

In fact, I am surprised at your surprise, in that you posted about it yourself back in July 2013:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

In fact, your OP title was "Hillary Clinton's Business Legacy at the State Department (leading part in drafting TPP)," and you bolded this line from the text: "She’s (Hillary) also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors."

In addition, as JoePhilly has already pointed out, it is amazing how many self-styled TPP "experts" here didn't know the basic fact that as SoS, HRC would of course have been involved in the negotiations.

[antigop]

30. you know you hit the nail on the head when....nt

[antigop]

39. thanks for the kicks, guys. I have to go to work. I'm not paid to post on DU all day. nt

[progree]

43. And Bloomberg accuses her of nodding too

At about 1:00 the nodding part is all over and they just blather on and on about politics (just plain old insipid blather) so no need to watch beyond 1:00. They claim it isn't doctored video (presumably meaning that its not on a loop and there isn't any repetition of segments, but that's just a guess on my part on what they mean).

[Politicalboi]

53. Distance herself from the Obama economy

And ACA. Who's running her campaign?

At least if she just nods, we know she not making up stories.

[ibewlu606]

44. Kicked!

It amazes me how HRC supporters first say she was "only" following orders and when called on it then switch gears by saying her involvement "was well known" as if that somehow exonerates her from any backlash.

[NanceGreggs]

52. Have any links ...

... to an HRC supporter saying that "Hillary was only following orders"?

Of course you don't.

The term "just following orders" is a loaded one, and is a far cry from a SoS handling the responsibilities of their job - one of which would be involvement in int'l trade agreements.

As for her involvement being "well known", anyone with even a modicum of knowledge about what a SoS does would know that she would have had a role in the TPP, and would not need to have so obvious a fact pointed out to them.

In addition, it is rather amazing that the OP would think these facts were "news", given that they posted an OP on the topic back in July 2013:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101667554

[DCBob]

45. This makes sense and might actually help her.

I think it improves her creds with some voters.

[KamaAina]

47. Martin O'Malley, pickup on Line One.

Martin O'Malley, Line One.

[liberal_at_heart]

48. She'll do what they all do. She'll publicly come out against it; then when she is elected

she will negotiate more trades just like it.

[Motown_Johnny]

49. So, where is she on trade this month? I can't keep track anymore. n/t

[HereSince1628]

54. There's an app for that!

[NYC_SKP]

50. TPP typifies Hillary and Bill Clinton. They're all about globalism, bringing our workers down...

women and children my ass.

They have worked and worked to bring our employees down to third world wage and benefit levels, all to the enrichment of the 1%

How the hell is it that so many people are suckered into their bullshit?

[2banon]

51. yes we knew, but wait she's just following orders, wait, no such thing as TPP here's lots of blue

here's lots of blue links to prove it... (a gazillian of those provided last year and the year before on this very topic)

those (and more) are the hilarious reactions from the past 3 or 4 or soyears on this subject.