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marym625

(17,997 posts)
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 06:44 AM Apr 2015

Baltimore protester kidnapped by National Guard

A college student who was featured during the Ferguson protests in Baltimore is snatched up by National Guard. It's caught on CNN live and he's nowhere to be found.

Watch Baltimore Police Make a Protester Disappear




Baltimore police, enforcing the mandatory curfew that went into effect Tuesday night, are dizzyingly efficient.

Like this arrest, caught on CNN cameras: now you see the protester, now you don’t. Where did he go? No comment.


Video at link

http://gawker.com/watch-baltimore-police-make-a-protester-disappear-1700856531

He has featured prominently in civil action before, and was credited with organising Baltimore's local protests against the Ferguson shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown, according to a report on Heavy.com.


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/04/where_is_joseph_kent_baltimore.html

Edit - found YouTube video. However, the video at the above link shows it better

"VIDEO - Baltimore Police Make a Protester Disappear - APRIL 28, 2015"



This is supposed to be the USA. Since when are people arrested like this?

This is becoming way too scary and out of control. The amount of fire power, tear gas used on peaceful protesters, curfews and now snatching people up and hiding them. This must end

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Baltimore protester kidnapped by National Guard (Original Post) marym625 Apr 2015 OP
What are we supposed to see there? liberal N proud Apr 2015 #1
Did you watch the video? marym625 Apr 2015 #2
Person walks across street into the line of police as vehicle goes past liberal N proud Apr 2015 #4
Watch the video at the link marym625 Apr 2015 #8
Watch closely the police movement behind the vehicle. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #23
What you are missing is his hands are in the air. Then, Hoppy Apr 2015 #31
I thought it was Francis? . marym625 Apr 2015 #34
What the serious fuck is up with the "bleeding heart libril" thing? Are you kidding or are you an Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #64
Agnes, I'm sorry you didn't read the sarcasm note on the bottom of the post. Hoppy Apr 2015 #65
Why are you calling me Agnes? I think I'm missing something here. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #66
That's actually very interesting marym625 Apr 2015 #32
This sounds a tad -- shall we say -- "sensationalist." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #3
You think this is okay? marym625 Apr 2015 #7
Is disappearing people okay? No. But is this really disappearing? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #11
He is in the system marym625 Apr 2015 #12
There was a curfew. They told everyone to stay home. And this guy didnt. 7962 Apr 2015 #25
you know his name, have you searched their database for arrested persons, have you called snooper2 Apr 2015 #56
It's dark, the guy is dressed in black, face wrapped -- but he is positively identified? Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #16
I think you've got it. 7962 Apr 2015 #26
I'm not keen on curfews but the guy is obviously on the streets after curfew. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2015 #55
+1. Very well stated. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #58
Also arrested =! Kidnapped n/t Adrahil Apr 2015 #5
Maybe it was a black helicopter... Oktober Apr 2015 #6
Because the military state has been completely trust worthy.... daleanime Apr 2015 #15
Careful what you write.... Oktober Apr 2015 #17
As long as I'm honest.... daleanime Apr 2015 #19
evidently marym625 Apr 2015 #42
Because you're trying to make into something it's not. GGJohn Apr 2015 #49
And we had no reason for concern what so ever.... daleanime Apr 2015 #61
What concern???? GGJohn Apr 2015 #62
Yes, I can tell.... daleanime Apr 2015 #68
We have a slow driving hummer filled with military personnel traveling through a line of shield Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #28
all this just a few years out from patriot act, extraordinary rendition, drone strikes and gitmo. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #29
They are using drones in Baltimore marym625 Apr 2015 #35
Good... Oktober Apr 2015 #50
British paper covering this story.... the Independent Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #9
I was having problems loading that article marym625 Apr 2015 #13
He was brought into to the line of police on the ground... Historic NY Apr 2015 #30
"Ferguson protests in Baltimore"? pintobean Apr 2015 #10
That's what the initial protests were called marym625 Apr 2015 #14
You have a lot of rabid lefties telling you this doesn't pass the sniff test. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #18
rabid lefties? marym625 Apr 2015 #24
We aren't telling you what you think... Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #48
and implying I am thinking what you think I am being told marym625 Apr 2015 #52
Not at all. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #53
They have to check on why he appears where there's trouble fadedrose Apr 2015 #20
I guess the words "under curfew" means nothing? nt 7962 Apr 2015 #21
I understand they have broken his neck. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #22
Webster's Dictionary brooklynite Apr 2015 #27
It certainly was force as he had no chance to do anything voluntarily marym625 Apr 2015 #33
He wasn't kidnapped, he wasn't disappeared, GGJohn Apr 2015 #37
They are not under martial law marym625 Apr 2015 #39
There was a legal curfew in place, GGJohn Apr 2015 #41
He violated the curfew. cwydro Apr 2015 #57
It's okay dumbcat Apr 2015 #59
Probably. Maybe. Hopefully. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #40
Most definitely. GGJohn Apr 2015 #43
I hope Kent is OK and gets released soon! ananda Apr 2015 #36
The Washington Post has an article as well marym625 Apr 2015 #38
A curfew was in place, why was this guy still out? 951-Riverside Apr 2015 #44
right on Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #45
Love your hashtag! marym625 Apr 2015 #46
by the way marym625 Apr 2015 #47
Why was it unconstitutional? GGJohn Apr 2015 #51
In this atmosphere, sarcasm is hard to interpret. Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #54
Ummm, forgot something the last time he shopped? Coming home from a date with his Steady? haele Apr 2015 #67
The fact is this doesn't look all that different from what you see when there are protests without RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #60
Back in the day Oilwellian Apr 2015 #63

marym625

(17,997 posts)
2. Did you watch the video?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:05 AM
Apr 2015

I can't put it in the OP. There's no link directly to it.

I am going to check YouTube though

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
4. Person walks across street into the line of police as vehicle goes past
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:22 AM
Apr 2015

With that analogy, you could say that anyone walking across the street into a crowd was kidnapped because they disappeared into the crowd.

Sorry, this isn't cutting it!

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
31. What you are missing is his hands are in the air. Then,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:35 AM
Apr 2015

as the cops approach, his hands go down to his waistband. If you were a cop, what else should you do but gently approach and question the guy?

Yeah, I know, a bleeding heart libril like you would take him for an ice cream cone and tell him to just be a good boy.


















Yes, Agnes, sarcasm.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
64. What the serious fuck is up with the "bleeding heart libril" thing? Are you kidding or are you an
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:06 PM
Apr 2015

authoritarian bagger or republican?

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
66. Why are you calling me Agnes? I think I'm missing something here.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:12 PM
Apr 2015

I'm sorry I missed your sarcasm. Maybe it comes as no surprise that I'm still confused.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
7. You think this is okay?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:24 AM
Apr 2015

To drive by, without even stopping, grab a person up and then not release anything about his whereabouts or give any information on arrest or bail?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. Is disappearing people okay? No. But is this really disappearing?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:37 AM
Apr 2015

People aren't just disappeared as in the movies. They have to be kept somewhere, fed, etc. as if a part-time force like the National Guard or a civilian urban police force have the infrastructure to just start stashing people.

That then compels us to ask -- Wouldn't people being snatched later be released and want to file a lawsuit?

I suppose if nothing ever comes of this the budding-CT may morph to suggest there is a mass-grave somewhere.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
12. He is in the system
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:40 AM
Apr 2015

They have confirmed that he was arrested.

However, whether people think there's nothing too this and it's sensationalism, or so what, this is not okay with me in any way. Especially in an area like Baltimore that is well known for abuse by police

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
56. you know his name, have you searched their database for arrested persons, have you called
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

or is this thread just for fun?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
16. It's dark, the guy is dressed in black, face wrapped -- but he is positively identified?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:58 AM
Apr 2015

As much as I've been screaming about the police, I am not buying into this.

Sounds like this guy had his buddies film this knowing exactly what was going to happen because it was essentially staged.

"Don't tase me, bro!"

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
55. I'm not keen on curfews but the guy is obviously on the streets after curfew.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:43 AM
Apr 2015

I'm guessing he was picked up for that an not much else but it's being sensationalized which is a damn shame because the BPD and its defenders then get to point to this as a way of discrediting its critics.

We need to stay focused on the real injustices -- and there are far too many -- not fabricating pretend ones that become self-defeating.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
42. evidently
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:13 AM
Apr 2015

This is not just okay with many here, it is not symptomatic of the police state we now find ourselves under.

I don't get it

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
49. Because you're trying to make into something it's not.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:27 AM
Apr 2015

Mr. Kent was warned several times about the curfew, he knew the consequences of his actions, he knew there was a legal curfew in place, he choose to violate it and was arrested legally.
He'll probably receive a summons or will appear in court this morning to answer the charge.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
62. What concern????
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:27 AM
Apr 2015

This was pretty high profile.
As I said, he'll probably receive a summons or appear in court this morning.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
68. Yes, I can tell....
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 05:26 PM
Apr 2015

no concern here. After all he's 'probably' OK. Since nothing ever happens to some one once they have been picked up.


Have a lovely day.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
28. We have a slow driving hummer filled with military personnel traveling through a line of shield
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:15 AM
Apr 2015

carrying riot geared cops on smoke filled streets in a very restless city now under curfew. It's not too far a stretch to black helicopter, so let's give our people here a little respect and entertain the notion that something didn't look quite right about that "arrest."

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
29. all this just a few years out from patriot act, extraordinary rendition, drone strikes and gitmo.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:17 AM
Apr 2015

Ducks is ducks you quacks and fucks.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
9. British paper covering this story.... the Independent
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:34 AM
Apr 2015

Protesters have called on police to release a prominent student campaigner in Baltimore after CNN showed footage of him being abducted by the US National Guard live on TV.

Identified locally as 21-year-old Joseph Kent, he appeared to have been bundled into the back of an armoured police vehicle in a widely-shared video clip.

Social media users expressed outrage at the apparent attempt to target a man who was organising and addressing protesters peacefully at the time, as well as at the speed and abruptness of what they called his “kidnapping”.

As of last night there was no indication where Kent was being held, prompting Twitter users to ask the question: “Where is Joseph Kent?”

more;

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/joseph-kent-baltimore-protesters-call-for-release-of-student-kidnapped-by-police-live-on-national-tv-10211500.html

marym625

(17,997 posts)
13. I was having problems loading that article
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:42 AM
Apr 2015

Thanks for posting it

As I said above, this is not okay. People can call me whatever they want, dis the post, excuse the cops, this is not OK.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
14. That's what the initial protests were called
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 07:44 AM
Apr 2015

"Ferguson in xxx" whatever city was protesting inot solidarity with Ferguson

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
18. You have a lot of rabid lefties telling you this doesn't pass the sniff test.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:01 AM
Apr 2015

There are some legit, god-awful things going on out there, and this isn't making it onto the radar.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
24. rabid lefties?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:11 AM
Apr 2015

I don't need people to tell me what I think.

Yes, there are horrible things going on out there. Horrible, horrible things. That doesn't make this okay.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
52. and implying I am thinking what you think I am being told
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:32 AM
Apr 2015

What is your definition of "rabid lefties"?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
53. Not at all.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:37 AM
Apr 2015

My impression is that you are posting something you found to be important. Some of us are simply saying that, yeah, it might be important, but it looks like someone intentionally creating a stir.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
20. They have to check on why he appears where there's trouble
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:06 AM
Apr 2015

to make sure that he's a sincere protester or paid by a subversive or opposing political group.

Better safe than sorry....

The disappearance is just too obvious. The National Guard has a lot of people who have jobs outside and work only when needed. They're not exactly CIA.

Let's hope that after the "organizer" answers some questions, he's free to go.

brooklynite

(94,541 posts)
27. Webster's Dictionary
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:13 AM
Apr 2015

Kidnap: "to seize and detain or carry away by unlawful force or fraud"

Arrest: "to use the power of the law to take and keep"

marym625

(17,997 posts)
33. It certainly was force as he had no chance to do anything voluntarily
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 08:52 AM
Apr 2015

The use of the word is from headlines and articles. Please note that I don't use the word in the OP or any of my replies

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
37. He wasn't kidnapped, he wasn't disappeared,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:02 AM
Apr 2015

he was taken into custody for violating the curfew, he'll probably be released today with a notice to appear in court.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
39. They are not under martial law
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:10 AM
Apr 2015

You can think this is all good.

It is not okay. I know that this is not anywhere near as important as so much going on there. It is still just another symptom of the police state we now live under. This is the shit you see in third world countries or countries that literally have a police state.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
41. There was a legal curfew in place,
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:12 AM
Apr 2015

Mr. Kent made the conscious decision to violate it, he was legally arrested and transported to jail where he'll more than likely receive a court summons to answer the charge.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
38. The Washington Post has an article as well
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:05 AM
Apr 2015

An attorney was able to get information around 3am that Kent is in the system. But that is as much information as I can find at the moment.

Not like the Baltimore police are actually trustworthy. Al Jazeera America just showed the video of the cops harassing and arresting an elderly man for carrying a golf club. I believe that is one of the very many lawsuits the city settled for unlawful arrests, abuse of power

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
44. A curfew was in place, why was this guy still out?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:16 AM
Apr 2015

I'm only asking because I assume he's black, had he been white I would have been freaking out over "martial law", "due process", "freedom of assembly" and I would have demanded everybody call their local congressperson.

#CVSStoresMatter

marym625

(17,997 posts)
46. Love your hashtag!
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:20 AM
Apr 2015

I am flabbergasted. I truly didn't expect many to care or a free with me that this is not okay. But some of these replies are really out there IMHO

Thanks for the sarcasm. Made me smile

marym625

(17,997 posts)
47. by the way
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:21 AM
Apr 2015

I meant to say in the OP that the curfew itself seems to be unconstitutional. Thanks for the reminder

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
51. Why was it unconstitutional?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:30 AM
Apr 2015

The Gov. of every state in the Union has the legal power to set a curfew under certain circumstances, after Mon. night's mayhem, this was a prudent step to take.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
54. In this atmosphere, sarcasm is hard to interpret.
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 09:40 AM
Apr 2015

Considering the flood of knuckledraggers trolling DU at the present time, I cannot tell if you are serious or not.

From the context of your comments, your <sarcasm> seems like sarcasm. It might be more productive to simply say what you mean.

haele

(12,652 posts)
67. Ummm, forgot something the last time he shopped? Coming home from a date with his Steady?
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 02:41 PM
Apr 2015

Or was out with his buddies way too long, and said "Shit, gotta get home", and hoped that he wouldn't get picked up?
Tired, bored, not thinking straight, and went out on habit to grab a beer and companionship - or something a little more illicit?

Working the evening retail shift and was coming home from work? Working the (closed to the public) Orioles game and was late coming home from work? Going to a night shift job?

Went out to pick up granny's medicines because she didn't have anyone available to pick them up earlier, and he was the last person she called who was able to do it?

Baby at home went through all the diapers much too soon (you young parents and caretaker grandparents know what I mean!), and he was heading out and was bundled up just in case he ran into tear gas?


Or maybe, he was out doing no good - just because he was black and 21?
Who knows?

Curfews are a lousy way of "ensuring public safety" if most of the protests were actually peaceful. The "riots and looting" that affected that neighborhood was one violent incident; the rest were pretty much incident free. This wasn't two or three days of massive arson and looting; it was surprisingly low key (despite the media hype) when compared to real race/civil rights riots I've lived through before. This was no Ferguson or LA during Watts or the Rodney King incident. If the policing in this city wasn't so f'n reactive rather than pro-active, they wouldn't have to put a Curfew in place; there are plenty of ways to ensure that protests can continue and be peaceful.

In this case, all a Curfew does is keep the boot on the necks of people going about their own business who might otherwise not be causing problems.

Haele

Haele

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
60. The fact is this doesn't look all that different from what you see when there are protests without
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 10:17 AM
Apr 2015

the riots.

So yeah, I think it's pretty blatantly reflective of the militarized police force / police state in which we live.

Sure, the guy may have been 'legally' arrested. That's a pretty meaningless metric.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
63. Back in the day
Wed Apr 29, 2015, 12:18 PM
Apr 2015

they used to let the media take pictures of arrested protesters. Today, the media just hears "they're somewhere in the system." The visuals from the Civil Rights era played a large role in the movement's success.


Morgan State University female students arrested for
protesting segregation in Baltimore, Md.



John Lewis, O.D. Hunt, and Dennis Gregory Foote,
after their arrest at a downtown lunch counter.



Fisk University student Jean Wynona Fleming
behind bars in the Nashville jail.



Students busted for protesting segregation
fill the Nashville jail to overflowing.



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