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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Mon May 4, 2015, 05:58 PM May 2015

Fukushima Report Delayed as TEPCO Gets New Chance to Explain

[font size="2"]Fukushima Nuclear Power Station Reactor No. 3[/font size]



Fukushima Report Delayed as TEPCO Gets New Chance to Explain

Jonathan Tirone
Bloomberg, May 4, 2015

The International Atomic Energy Agency delayed a report about meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to give Japanese officials another chance to explain radiation leaking into the Pacific Ocean.

The IAEA’s report about mid- to long-term plans to decommission the stricken reactors will be published in “mid-May,” agency spokesman Serge Gas said in an e-mailed reply to questions. The report had initially been scheduled for release by the end of March on the plant operated by Tokyo Electric Power Co.

“The Japanese government invited IAEA experts for a follow-up visit focused on contaminated rainwater issues and public communications,” Gas wrote in an e-mail from Vienna. “Tepco has no obligation to report to the IAEA but it still shares information with the agency regularly.”

SNIP...

IAEA monitors made an unscheduled return trip to Japan last month to follow-up on a spike in radiation levels caused by contaminated water leaking into the Pacific. While Tepco had known about the leaks for months, they didn’t discuss them with agency monitors during scheduled Feb. 9-17 consultations. Tepco subsequently decided to revise its communications policies and disclose more radiation data.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-04/fukushima-report-delayed-as-tepco-gets-new-chance-to-explain

Anyone know how much and what kind of radiation has been released from Fukushima over the past four years? There is no real containment of what's being emitted from three ongoing, open-air and out-of-control nuclear reactions.

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Fukushima Report Delayed as TEPCO Gets New Chance to Explain (Original Post) Octafish May 2015 OP
I just bought a new geiger counter. darkangel218 May 2015 #1
Does the EPA have one I can use? Octafish May 2015 #3
God Save the west coast!!! yuiyoshida May 2015 #66
I'm sure they will have a good li, er, explanation for it all. Smile and leave the bananas alone. Mnemosyne May 2015 #2
I called Amazon to cancel my return darkangel218 May 2015 #4
Don't blame you a bit, darkangel. I wish I had one to test food. nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #23
Mine is showing constantly normal background radiation. darkangel218 May 2015 #24
Oh, and it beeps just like they do in the movies. darkangel218 May 2015 #25
! Kali May 2015 #26
It's true. zappaman May 2015 #33
How old were you when Chernobyl happened? tammywammy May 2015 #40
Ive wrote about it before darkangel218 May 2015 #48
Japan now censors Fukushima news, it's so good. Octafish May 2015 #5
Not surprised at all. darkangel218 May 2015 #6
I guess tptb think no news will be viewed as good news. Mnemosyne May 2015 #27
You seriously believe that there's still a nuclear reaction going on? FBaggins May 2015 #7
Yes. Octafish May 2015 #8
So the only two possibilities in your mind... FBaggins May 2015 #9
You're the one who claimed it's over. Octafish May 2015 #10
He claimed it wasn't even hot! RobertEarl May 2015 #11
TEPCO and GE want to put the kibosh on the timeline. Octafish May 2015 #12
Who should we believe, real investigative reporters and experts who warned about the danger, or Big sabrina 1 May 2015 #49
Real investigative reporters like Alex Jones, right? FBaggins May 2015 #50
You know a whole lot more about what Alex Jones has to say than I do. Greg Palast sabrina 1 May 2015 #51
You may claim not to read Jones... FBaggins May 2015 #52
So why do you feel a need to smear? Octafish May 2015 #55
Could you clarify that for me? FBaggins May 2015 #56
Not my problem. You made the smear. Octafish May 2015 #64
Sorry... why is it a smear again? FBaggins May 2015 #65
What's it called when you put words in somebody else's mouth? Octafish May 2015 #67
That would be "taking a page from the Octafish playbook" FBaggins May 2015 #70
Palast has been a respected voice on DU forever Generic Other May 2015 #68
The alternative explanation is that DU didn't change... FBaggins May 2015 #69
There's a pattern to the nonsense. Octafish May 2015 #71
Wow... that's quite an imagination FBaggins May 2015 #74
lol Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #15
He correctly informed you that it isn't hot FBaggins May 2015 #16
Sure baggins RobertEarl May 2015 #45
You really don't "get" the burden of proof fallacy... do you? FBaggins May 2015 #46
You had a lucid moment? RobertEarl May 2015 #53
I guess that was a "nope" FBaggins May 2015 #54
Meanwhile in the US RobertEarl May 2015 #87
you aren't going to respond to post #54? snooper2 May 2015 #76
I guess that too was a "nope" FBaggins May 2015 #88
Nope... I merely claimed that active fission ended years ago FBaggins May 2015 #14
They're your own words. Octafish May 2015 #32
All of those words are correct FBaggins May 2015 #34
Asinine argument. Octafish May 2015 #57
Did you think that people would miss that you're dodging? FBaggins May 2015 #58
Maybe he meant "out of control unclear reaction?" Orrex May 2015 #59
Well, try reading what was written RobertEarl May 2015 #78
Can't hear you over the screams of these melting starfish Orrex May 2015 #80
Yeah, Sea stars. Good thing you think of them RobertEarl May 2015 #81
TNDR Orrex May 2015 #85
Welcome back to the thread FBaggins May 2015 #82
Where is that report? RobertEarl May 2015 #83
What report? - Edited FBaggins May 2015 #84
Keep digging, dude RobertEarl May 2015 #86
I've posted many times about how deadly radiation is FBaggins May 2015 #89
Radioactive Major Nikon May 2015 #13
When ridicule is all you have, that's not much of an argument. Here, learn something: Octafish May 2015 #20
I like your UFO posts better Major Nikon May 2015 #21
Great. I take great pride in providing information that matters. Octafish May 2015 #30
You make a good point Major Nikon May 2015 #31
As a great man once said NuclearDem May 2015 #35
You should post that as an OP, so we can see who wins the "rightness" popularity contest. Orrex May 2015 #47
Thats what they do, that is all they have. Ridicule. darkangel218 May 2015 #29
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #37
How dare you question the power of ethanol Major Nikon May 2015 #39
When the other person believes in things that are not physically possible... FBaggins May 2015 #38
No one knows what's ''physically possible.'' Octafish May 2015 #72
Sorry... that's religious faith... not science. FBaggins May 2015 #73
More sideshow and distraction, FBaggins? I didn't bring any of that up. Octafish May 2015 #75
Did someone steal your login and make the OP without your consent? FBaggins May 2015 #79
That top picture on the left side, MY HAT, that is where the fucking thing is! Where was that taken snooper2 May 2015 #77
Fukushima’s “Caldrons of Hell”: More than 300 Tons of Highly Radioactive Water Generated Daily Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #17
Gee. Who to believe? Professor who gets shut up by TEPCO, Abe, GE and CIA? Octafish May 2015 #18
How interesting that you pick that "professor" FBaggins May 2015 #19
Interesting perhaps, but not surprising Major Nikon May 2015 #22
He was in the waste management division FBaggins May 2015 #28
So you know and worked with him closely? Rex May 2015 #41
? FBaggins May 2015 #43
Link to the professors background? Or do you want me to just take your word for it? Rex May 2015 #60
He's retired now FBaggins May 2015 #61
Link to 'dozens of fellow professors laughing at his claims'. Rex May 2015 #62
You'll have to ask him... FBaggins May 2015 #63
Why do you waste your time? Rex May 2015 #42
Whatever is happening at Fukushima JEB May 2015 #36
The radiation continues to spew and there's nothing man can do. Octafish May 2015 #44
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. I just bought a new geiger counter.
Mon May 4, 2015, 06:10 PM
May 2015

GMC - 300E

Only lil over $100. Works perfectly.

Max background radiation here less than 16 CPM. ( Central FL )



On edit: God save the west coast.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Does the EPA have one I can use?
Mon May 4, 2015, 07:21 PM
May 2015

When we pay billions in taxes, it's the least they can do.

I think this is a map of the plutonium cloud leaking from the WIPP facility in New Mexico that hasn't been mentioned much in the papers or on the tee vee:



Here's the source, an online outfit:

https://www.radcast.org/updates-on-wipp/

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
24. Mine is showing constantly normal background radiation.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:07 PM
May 2015

I need to take it to Publix in the produce aisle

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
25. Oh, and it beeps just like they do in the movies.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:11 PM
May 2015

Creepy beeps. Im almost scared of it ( PTSD from being close to Chernobyl when it happened). That's the reason I wanted to return it. it reminds me of Chernobyl. I know, its silly, but it is what it is. I don't think I will ever forget what happened back then.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. Japan now censors Fukushima news, it's so good.
Mon May 4, 2015, 07:27 PM
May 2015


Japan's timid coverage of Fukushima led this news anchor to revolt — and he's not alone

Reporter: Sam Harnett
PRI, October 17, 2014

EXCERPT...

Japanese journalists did what Tajima calls "announcement journalism" in reporting on the crisis. He says they were reporting the press releases of big companies and the people in power. And he's not the only one who thinks so.

“I am a newscaster, but I couldn't tell the true story on my news program," says Jun Hori, a former anchor for NHK, the Japanese state broadcaster.

Hori says the network restricted what he and other journalists could say about Fukushima and moved more slowly than foreign media to report on the disaster and how far radiation was spreading. The attitude in the newsroom was not to question official information

“I was on the ground in Fukushima, and a lot of people kept asking me, why didn't you tell us earlier about what is happening?” Hori says.

Out of frustration, Hori started tweeting uncensored coverage. “I got a huge response,” he says, “but then my superiors said the NHK was getting complaints from politicians about what I was saying. They told me I had to stop.”

CONTINUED w/audio, video...

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-10-16/frustrated-japans-coverage-fukushima-crisis-japanese-news-anchor-started

"Announcement journalism" is great phrase.

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
27. I guess tptb think no news will be viewed as good news.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:15 PM
May 2015

Don't these creatures live on the same planet? Do they think they will hide from or have immunity to radiation?!

Just completely sickening, Octafish. We need the entire truth, not these tiny smidgens of horror that are admitted to every few months.

Not with a bang, but with a whimper...

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
7. You seriously believe that there's still a nuclear reaction going on?
Tue May 5, 2015, 09:53 AM
May 2015

Seriously? An "out of control" nuclear reaction?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Yes.
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:11 AM
May 2015

Besides you, the only person I've read say it's over is Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.

Where did you read the nuclear reactions were ended or contained?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
9. So the only two possibilities in your mind...
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:19 AM
May 2015

... are an ongoing nuclear reaction or "it's over" ?

Where did you read the nuclear reactions were ended or contained?

Fission stopped rougly an hour before the tsunami hit. 4+ years ago.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. He claimed it wasn't even hot!
Tue May 5, 2015, 10:35 AM
May 2015

It took him 3 years to say even say 'meltdown'

Give him ten years and he might even admit radiation is leaking.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. TEPCO and GE want to put the kibosh on the timeline.
Tue May 5, 2015, 11:18 AM
May 2015

The earthquake alone -- estimated an 8.0 at the plant -- is what caused cooling pipes to break and power to be cut and Fail-Safes to fail. All that way BEFORE the tsunami hit.





Fukushima: They Knew

This month marks the 3rd Anniversary of the Fukushima Nuclear disaster.

By Greg Palast for FreePress.org
Monday, March 10, 2014

EXCERPT...

I was ready to vomit. Because I knew who had designed the plant, who had built it and whom Tokyo Electric Power was having rebuild it: Shaw Construction. The latest alias of Stone & Webster, the designated builder for every one of the four new nuclear plants that the Obama Administration has approved for billions in federal studies.

But I had The Notebook, the diaries of the earthquake inspector for the company. I'd squirreled it out sometime before the Trade Center went down. I shouldn't have done that. Too bad.

All field engineers keep a diary. Gordon Dick, a supervisor, wasn’t sup- posed to show his to us. I asked him to show it to us and, reluctantly, he directed me to these notes about the “SQ” tests.

SQ is nuclear-speak for “Seismic Qualification.” A seismically qualified nuclear plant won’t melt down if you shake it. A “seismic event” can be an earthquake or a Christmas present from Al Qaeda. You can’t run a nuclear reactor in the USA or Europe or Japan without certified SQ.

This much is clear from his notebook: This nuclear plant will melt down in an earthquake. The plant dismally failed to meet the Seismic I (shaking) standards required by U.S. and international rules.

Here’s what we learned: Dick’s subordinate at the nuclear plant, Robert Wiesel, conducted the standard seismic review. Wiesel flunked his company. No good. Dick then ordered Wiesel to change his report to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, change it from failed to passed. Dick didn’t want to make Wiesel do it, but Dick was under the gun himself, acting on direct command from corporate chiefs. From The Notebook:

Wiesel was very upset. He seemed very nervous. Very agitated. [He said,] “I believe these are bad results and I believe it’s reportable,” and then he took the volume of federal regulations from the shelf and went to section 50.55(e), which describes reportable deficiencies at a nuclear plant and [they] read the section together, with Wiesel pointing to the appropriate paragraphs that federal law clearly required [them and the company] to report the Category II, Seismic I deficiencies.

Wiesel then expressed his concern that he was afraid that if he [Wiesel] reported the deficiencies, he would be fired, but that if he didn’t report the deficiencies, he would be breaking a federal law. . . .


CONTINUED...

http://www.gregpalast.com/fukushima-they-knew-3/



Which is why TEPCO, Japan, Nuke Inc and the USA went out of their way the other day to play up the tsunami's role:



Tsunami, not Quake, Seen as Main Cause of Fukushima Accident

by Mari Iwata
Wall Street Journal, Oct. 8, 2014

Japan’s nuclear regulator said Wednesday that the tsunami following the March 11, 2011, earthquake–not the quake itself–was the main cause of the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

The conclusion matters because of the implications for other nuclear-power plants. Virtually all of Japan is prone to earthquakes, but some places are relatively protected from tsunamis. Currently all of the nation’s 48 reactors are offline, and the government is weighing whether to restart some next year.

In the March 2011 nuclear accident, three reactors melted down after the plant lost main and backup power, paralyzing cooling systems.

The Nuclear Regulation Authority studied why the No.1 reactor lost backup power and concluded on Wednesday in a report that the tsunami was the main cause, based on data about temperature, pressure and other parameters. Those data were stable immediately after the earthquake hit at 2:46 p.m., suggesting the plant didn’t suffer critical damage until the arrival of the tsunami some 45 minutes later.

A previous investigation by Japan’s parliament had left more room for the possibility that the earthquake itself did significant damage.

The regulator said it would translate the report into English and post it on its website. The Japanese-language version is here.

“You cannot say there was no damage by the earthquake at all. But you can say the major cause was the tsunami, looking at the data,” said Tamotsu Kozaki, a nuclear engineering professor of the Hokkaido University.

CONTINUED...

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2014/10/08/tsunami-not-quake-seen-as-main-cause-of-fukushima-accident/



Which is not what the scientists said, way back when they were warning TEPCO, which elected to take the cheapskate's way out.



Here's a bit to add to the atomic pile:

Masanobu Shishikura: The Man Who Predicted the Tsunami in 2009.

British scientist 'predicted nuclear power station problem'

Toshiaki Sakai: Utility Engineer Warned of Tsunami Threat at Japanese Nuclear Plant in 2007

Apart from venting hot air in committee meetings, TEPCO did nothing, and hoped for the best.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. Who should we believe, real investigative reporters and experts who warned about the danger, or Big
Wed May 6, 2015, 11:53 AM
May 2015

Corporations who profit from all this, and who would never, ever lie to us?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
50. Real investigative reporters like Alex Jones, right?
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:11 PM
May 2015

It's amazing how much of his nonsense bleeds through to DU through the rabid anti-nuclear group.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. You know a whole lot more about what Alex Jones has to say than I do. Greg Palast
Wed May 6, 2015, 12:41 PM
May 2015

is an investigative journalist.

I don't read Alex Jones, so have no clue what he says, but I do read Greg Palast.

Never found Palast to have been wrong about any major issue so far.

You are free to believe what you want, and so are the rest of us.

I'll err on the side of the knowledge of what Nuclear Meltdowns have done in the past.

Better to be safe than sorry.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
52. You may claim not to read Jones...
Wed May 6, 2015, 01:26 PM
May 2015

... but the two of you sure agree on Palast and Fukushima. The two of them cater to the same audience.

Never found Palast to have been wrong about any major issue so far.

Then you aren't paying attention. He was the one that claimed that Fukushima's backup generators were never flooded - it's just that backup generators are a lie... they aren't capable to doing the job they're supposed to do. They just self-destruct because they're really just recycled used cruise ship generators.

He has also claimed that it was Fukushima's fuel pools that exploded.



I'll err on the side of the knowledge of what Nuclear Meltdowns have done in the past.

If only that were true. Instead, your track record appears closer to the side of the knowledge of what a couple crackpots have imagined that they've done in the past.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
55. So why do you feel a need to smear?
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:24 PM
May 2015

Why associate a DUer with what someone not even in the conversation said?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
56. Could you clarify that for me?
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:32 PM
May 2015

For instance... would "You know a whole lot more about what Alex Jones has to say than I do." be a smear?

How about the claim that those who disagree are believing "big corporations who profit from all of this"... rather than... oh, I don't know... actual experts in health physics and global/governmental specialists?

Why associate a DUer with what someone not even in the conversation said?

The key in this case is to get her to understand the real value (or lack thereof) of the sources that she's relying on. There are legitimate reasons to oppose nuclear power and there are reasonable people who do so... then there's a whole spectrum from there to the lunatic fringe. It helps to be able to recognize that fringe and how firmly they stick together. Pallast is not a valuable source when considering Fukushima... he really hasn't added anything of value... he just parrots that fringe.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
64. Not my problem. You made the smear.
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:40 PM
May 2015

What's more, I don't recall Sabrina 1 bringing up any of that. You did, FBaggins.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
65. Sorry... why is it a smear again?
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:45 PM
May 2015

Jones and Palast are two peas in a pod when it comes to Fukushima (and a few other things). Why would you consider it a smear to say that someone agrees with one of them when they're saying the same things?

What's more, I don't recall Sabrina 1 bringing up any of that.

Really? I'm pretty sure I used quotes. Did DU erase the prior posts?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
67. What's it called when you put words in somebody else's mouth?
Wed May 6, 2015, 08:57 PM
May 2015

Misattribution. It's a propaganda technique. The way you used it also served to smear a good DUer.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
70. That would be "taking a page from the Octafish playbook"
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:06 AM
May 2015

Come now... you're really not in a position to accuse others of putting words in someone else's mouth. Now are you?

Still continuing to insist that Japan/Tepco said not that the amount of plutonium found was not a danger... but that plutonium itself was not dangerous?

Unfortunately for you claim... you're doing it again here - since I never put words in her mouth.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
68. Palast has been a respected voice on DU forever
Wed May 6, 2015, 09:09 PM
May 2015

before Alex Jones started his schtick. And before Baggins joined. Some of DU's first posts were Palast's Florida voting machine investigations. Palast was a regular contributor during the Enron scandal. A legend on the old DU. Scorned and spit on on the new DU. Says a lot about how this place has evolved.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
69. The alternative explanation is that DU didn't change...
Thu May 7, 2015, 06:02 AM
May 2015

(at least in that regard)... Palast did.

IOW, that he was pretty solid when he dealt with elections and oil spills and televangelists and peak oil... but went astray when he started dealing with fringe anti-nuclear nuts.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
71. There's a pattern to the nonsense.
Thu May 7, 2015, 07:27 AM
May 2015

For some reason, a dedicated group on DU works to discredit Palast, other good journalists, whistleblowers, and just about anyone who posts to point out crimes of the national security state.



The power of truth-tellers such as Bradley Manning, Julian Assange and Edward Snowden is that they dispel a whole mythology carefully constructed by the corporate cinema and the corporate media. WikiLeaks is especially dangerous because it provides truthtellers with a means to get the truth out. -- John Pilger

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/21/prism-and-the-rise-of-a-new-fascism/


I believe some of an organized Tag Team are on this thread. Other chums hang off in order to participate in the jury system, helping silence those who voice anger at insults, etc. on the thread.

Personally: Long time no viddy, Generic Other. Great to read you!

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
74. Wow... that's quite an imagination
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:50 AM
May 2015

All you need to do is include the step were they have secret control of DU so that they can determine who ends up in the jury pool.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
16. He correctly informed you that it isn't hot
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:20 PM
May 2015

It isn't a "claim"... it's an established fact. They've been measuring the temperature inside each containment all along... there isn't something at thousands of degrees in there. Note that they just released video of the pool of water at the bottom of one containment. It isn't physically possible for tons of corium to be under that water at thousands of degrees without impacting the temperature where those robots were.

Note that the original conversation began because you thought that water was boiling (creating the wisps of "steam" seen on colder days). This is clearly not the case.

See the prior response to Octafish. The amount of heat that the cores are producing can be very precisely estimated. The isotopic mix is known and the half-lives (and thus heat created) are physical constants.

There are only two possibilities. Either the heat is created by nuclear decay (which is known to decline over four years to the point that fuel rods could be air-cooled)... or fission has resumed. But there is no way for fission to resume without creating fission products that TEPCO could not possibly hide from detection.

They haven't been detected because they aren't being created... because there isn't any active fission. Therefore, there's only one possibility. It isn't hot.

It took him 3 years to say even say 'meltdown'

Now you're just lying (at least to yourself). I was calling it a meltdown about 24-48 hours after the tsunami struck and have never denied it. You've been challenged to find a singe instance where I denied a meltdown.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
45. Sure baggins
Tue May 5, 2015, 09:42 PM
May 2015

It ain't hot at all, why it is in cold-shutdown. No problems!!

They sent in top-of-the-line robots to see what's in there, but they froze it is so cold. Must be that ice wall they built?

They don't even know where the cores are, but baggins does, why he's been there and sampled the cores himself!

Okay, enough bullshit...........

You should post the thread where you first claimed that it was a meltdown. We'll wait.


FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
46. You really don't "get" the burden of proof fallacy... do you?
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:21 AM
May 2015

You've made the claim a dozen times and been challenged on it each time... never once providing any evidence... yet it's my responsibility to do the search for you?

They sent in top-of-the-line robots to see what's in there, but they froze it is so cold.

They sent robots in there and have had thermal sensors in there for years. It wasn't hot... in fact, it was below room temperature.

Must be that ice wall they built?

Ah!... that's right. You're one of the ones that read the enenews fantasies that the ice wall had failed. That they already tried, but can't build it because the ground is so hot that it just won't freeze. Heck... it just has to be insanely hot down there if it's warming up the entire Pacific ocean!

As with most of the realities that exist only in your own mind... that was never correct. They didn't start the freeze process until just a week or two ago... and so far everything has worked fine.




TEPCO’s contractors have begun the process of freezing the completed sections of the frozen wall. Blocks 1-8 are currently in the freezing process. Other sections are either still under construction or in the process of having the plumbing installed. The sections currently being frozen include the land side and north sides of the reactor building areas.




You should post the thread where you first claimed that it was a meltdown. We'll wait.

There isn't much left of the scores of threads from the initial days of the incident on google... but here's one from a couple weeks later.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=284642&mesg_id=284675
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
53. You had a lucid moment?
Wed May 6, 2015, 01:41 PM
May 2015

See, that's why we should never give up on anyone....

As for the Fukushima mess.....

There are melted reactor cores that no one knows the condition of; could be china syndrome. We do know the water coming off the site is radiated and the data shows increasing amounts of radiation.

The robots are of little use, the technology to clean up the place and eliminate emissions is decades away, and there is apparent environmental damages from all the emissions.

Even the international salesmen for nuclear power are getting their knickers in a twist. This doesn't look good, nope, not looking good at all.


FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
54. I guess that was a "nope"
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:23 PM
May 2015
You had a lucid moment?

That post was consistent with everything I've said on the subject before or since. You see... that's the difference between understanding the science and just adding "the science says" to whatever nonsense you make up. I never denied meltdowns because the isotopes that they were detecting (not to mention the explosions) meant that core damage had occurred. You just imagined it and remained immune to correction.


The robots are of little use

No kidding. It's soooo much more convenient to just imagine what's going in there and then claim that the burden of proof is on others to prove you wrong.

In the real world... they're very useful. They pave the way for other robots to check the location of the corium. You point out that they're a long way from being ready to remove the fuel... well, they can't pick which method to plan to use until they know more about things in that containment and each of the three units could have unique issues to solve. Can they plug all of the leaks and refill it? Can they come in from the side? Is the fuel largely in a lump that needs to be cut up or is it "sprayed" all over the bottom from coming out under pressure? We have years of this type of investigation (unit two is this summer) before they even pick from their options for getting the corium out (years after that). At Three Mile Island it took years to remove the fuel even after they opened the containment.

But those steps have to occur first... so you can't pretend that they have little use.

There are melted reactor cores that no one knows the condition of

Ah... that reminds me of another way that they're useful. You'll have to stop pretending that not knowing the specifics means that you claim that they're burrowing their way to Argentina.

Even the international salesmen for nuclear power are getting their knickers in a twist. This doesn't look good, nope, not looking good at all.

I have no idea where that came from. Nuclear sales appear to be rockin' in several countries. Egypt announced just yesterday that the first two (of eight) reactors would start construction next year. India announced about a week ago that four home-grown units were in the works to be completed by the end of the decade and two more to start next year. Hungary just yesterday confirmed a contract with the Russians to build two new units. Finland announced a new plant about a week ago. China announced last month that they would start the first GenIV reactor in 2017 (on top of the half-dozen or so that will start construction each and every year for at least the next couple decades). South Africa is sending workers to China for training in preparation for increasing their nuclear penetration fourfold or more.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
87. Meanwhile in the US
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:25 PM
May 2015

No insurance agency will insure nuke plants.

The industry is subsidized by the US government, and all the other nukes you speak of are government subsidized. Idiots, all. Talk about big money influence and stupid corrupt governments.... your list of those being penetrated by nukes is not something for a real Liberal, Progressive person to be proud of, but there you are. Nuclear penetration, indeed. BOOM!

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
88. I guess that too was a "nope"
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:12 PM
May 2015

Unless you count "I'm going to click 'reply' and type something entirely unrelated - Oh I know! Let's use the 'ol 'they can't be insured' BS"

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
14. Nope... I merely claimed that active fission ended years ago
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:03 PM
May 2015
Where's your source, FBaggins?



More than four years of posting on this stuff and still don't get even the basics of how a reactor works? That's stunning.

What's the source? Basic inalterable laws of physics... that's the source.

When a reactor is active, the fission reaction creates more than just heat for boiling water. It creates lots of other elements ("fission products&quot , many of which are radioactive. Those elements give off heat as they decay (adding to the total heat) and many of their decay daughter products are also radioactive (giving off even more heat).

Once the reactor has been running for awhile, the active fission makes up only ~90% of the total heat that the reactor produces (IIRC). The other 10% is from the decay of other elements. Some of them have very long half-lives (and thus have low activity and put out little of that heat)... and some have much shorter half-lives (and thus have much higher activity levels and coincident heat production).

Once the reactor is turned off, fission stops almost instantaneously - but the reactor is still producing 10% of the amount of heat from when it was active. This drops off fairly quickly as those short-half-life elements disappear. Within the hour (about when backup power was cut off) it's down to just a couple percent of the initial heat. Then the decline slows.

Now... I'm sure that you remember most of that... but you're missing what it means. The largest bq-counts of the Fukushima release are never really counted, because they're "noble gases" that are lighter than air and have incredibly short half-lives. Nobody "counts" them because they couldn't impact anyone and were quickly gone. The largest bq release that people pay attention to was the radioiodine with its 8-day half-life (and most common health impact). It took a couple months for that to disappear entirely.

Those elements die off because they are produced by the fission and their levels rise in a reactor until the amount dying off (half every eight days) equals the amount being created in the active reaction. When the fission stops, they aren't produced any longer and start to disappear. But the point is that it's gone.

Here's the point to pay attention to. If you can't detect those elements... then there isn't any fission going on. You can't have fission without creating the fission products that go along with it. It isn't physically possible.

Radioiodine is incredibly easy to detect/identify and impossible to hide. None has been found for almost four years... and therefore there has been no active fission since the reactors shut down as the earthquake struck. Q.E.D.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. They're your own words.
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

Don't you read them?

In #7 you wrote:

You seriously believe that there's still a nuclear reaction going on?

Seriously? An "out of control" nuclear reaction?


Then, in #9 above, you wrote:

Fission stopped rougly (sic) an hour before the tsunami hit. 4+ years ago.


Then you pasted stuff that has nothing to do with anything, let alone names a source or provides a link.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
34. All of those words are correct
Tue May 5, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

Somehow you think they aren't saying the same thing. Which I find quite entertaining.

Let's ask it this way. Imagine you have a small 1 gram block of uranium sitting on your counter... slowly decaying away...

... is that an "out of control nuclear reaction"?

Please describe what it is that you imagine is occurring at Fukushima that you're calling an "ongoing, open-air and out-of-control nuclear reactions." ?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
57. Asinine argument.
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:34 PM
May 2015

Fukushima has three nuclear reactors in meltdown, where the out of control nuclear cores have breached containment.



Here's how they handled Chernobyl, with just one nuclear reactor out of control, 200 feet of concrete and the thing leaks.



Oh: The planned new "containment" cover is only a decade behind schedule.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
58. Did you think that people would miss that you're dodging?
Wed May 6, 2015, 02:43 PM
May 2015

Care to try again... actually answering the question this time?

Come on... you've made a scientific claim. There is an "out of control nuclear reaction". Now... state in scientific terms what you think that means.

I'll wait.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
78. Well, try reading what was written
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

What was written is :"...the out of control nuclear cores have breached containment."

Which is fact. The out of control nuclear cores have breached containment.

The cores melted down because the reactions went beyond control of humans and then breached the human made containment and entered the world's environment.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
81. Yeah, Sea stars. Good thing you think of them
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:54 AM
May 2015

MARINe researchers were also involved in collecting sea star tissue samples for pathology work aiming to identify the cause of the syndrome. The recently published paper by Hewson et al. “Densovirus associated with sea-star wasting disease and mass mortality” provides evidence for a link between a densovirus (SSaDV) and sea star wasting syndrome. This is an important piece of the SSWS puzzle, but we want to stress that there is still much work to be done before this mysterious disease is fully understood. Importantly, Hewson’s testing of sea star tissue collected from as far back as 1942 indicates that the SSaDV has been around for a long time, yet has never resulted in mass mortality on the geographic or temporal scale we are currently witnessing. Thus, while a culprit may have been identified, we still don’t fully understand the cause. The complete story is likely a complex interaction of multiple factors, and may involve different factors in different regions. For example, the emergence of SSWS in some areas appears to be correlated with increased water temperature, but this does not apply generally across the entire west coast. Finally, the discovery that the SSaDV is present in other echinoderms which are not currently experiencing mass mortality, suggests that these species could serve as “reservoirs” for the virus that could continue to infect sea stars for many years to come. Disease symptoms and mortality have also been observed recently in other echinoderms such as sea urchins, though it is unknown whether the cause is related.

http://oceanspaces.org/blog/update-sea-star-wasting-disease

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
82. Welcome back to the thread
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
May 2015

You might want to read the OP before telling others that they missed what was said.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
83. Where is that report?
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:07 AM
May 2015

Why is it you think you know more than Tepco does? Why you think you know more than anyone else? You are no expert, you are just a sales person.

Germany, the smart people, are ending nuclear power, and the Japanese people are fighting to make sure not another nuke plant comes back on line. The nuke industry is a lie. It is the worst mistake ever made by humans and nothing you say is going to change that.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
84. What report? - Edited
Thu May 7, 2015, 11:27 AM
May 2015

Last edited Thu May 7, 2015, 12:27 PM - Edit history (2)

You appear to be rambling.

On edit... Ah, I see. You read part of the OP, but wanted to divert from the claim at the end that was relevant to the conversation.


Ok... Where is that report?

Why do you care? You aren't going to agree with what the IAEA says. Do you really think there's a chance that they'll say "with fission continuing 100 feet underground, none of Tepco's plans can possibly work. We recommend editing the entire plan to just say 'bend over and kiss your collective rear ends goodbye'" ??

Why is it you think you know more than Tepco does?

Where did I claim that I do? You're the one making such claims for the last few years.

Why you think you know more than anyone else?

Goodness... I don't. But I understand your confusion. You just set the bar so insanely low.

Germany, the smart people, are ending nuclear power, and the Japanese people are fighting to make sure not another nuke plant comes back on line.

Wow... who knew that the Germans were the only "smart people"? And you don't speak for "the Japanese people"... the people who do speak for them (their elected representatives) seem to disagree - since multiple units are quite close to restart.

The nuke industry is a lie. It is the worst mistake ever made by humans and nothing you say is going to change that.

I can just see you pounding your head against the wall as you chant that over and over and over again. It must be so difficult to see scores of new reactors under construction and more being planned all the time.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
86. Keep digging, dude
Thu May 7, 2015, 02:07 PM
May 2015

Yeah, that report, duh!

Are you ever going to post anything about how deadly the man made radiation is to life? Ever? Of course not, wouldn't be good for sales.




FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
89. I've posted many times about how deadly radiation is
Thu May 7, 2015, 05:35 PM
May 2015

The problem is... I only post what science actually says. Not "the science&quot tm) that you invent as you go along.

Some simply scientific facts that you're incapable of accepting:

1 - There is no such thing as "man made radiation" - so I can only talk about how deadly radiation in general is.
2 - There is no point in time where you are free from radiation. It's all around you and inside of you. You are yourself radioactive.
3 - There's a massive amount of data on the actual health impacts of radiation of all types (yes, including huge numbers of people exposed to radiation from "man made" sources. And a large number of experts with actual specializations in the field of health physics. Not one of those experts agrees with the nonsense that you peddle. Not a single one. They must all be nuclear power salesmen... oh... except that almost none of them have anything to do with the industry.
4 - Additional cancer risk tends to increase in a statistically significant fashion at doses above 100 msv. It is often presumed for safety planning reasons that lower doses still cause an increased cancer risk in proportion to the dose, but for very low doses (single digit msv and below), the bulk of the evidence does not appear to support it. There is no evidence that incredibly low doses (comparable to small fractions of background norms) have any negative impact at all. But there is evidence to show that changed behaviors caused by irrational fears of radiation can harm you. In fact, virtually every death associated with Fukushima have been from side effects of prolonged evacuation and substandard living conditions. None of the deaths have been associated with radiation.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
20. When ridicule is all you have, that's not much of an argument. Here, learn something:
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

[font size="2"]Second mobile strontium removal unit at Fukushima, February 2015 (TEPCO handout)[/font size]



Continuing Surprises (Mostly Unfortunate) For Japan Nuclear Industry

by Sandy Dechert
CleanTechnica, May 5th, 2015

The fourth anniversary of the multiple meltdowns at the Fukushima Daiichi no. 1 power plant passed in relative quiet, but events there have hardly become less troubling. The good news first: TEPCO and its contractors have now completed the move of all spent and fresh fuel from the high and wide-open secondary containment of reactor Unit 4 to a safer ground-level location. They performed the work on time and almost without incident, despite the fears of many nuclear scientists and policymakers. Removal of molten fuel debris in Units 1, 2, and 3 will be more challenging, but Japan’s extensive experience with robotics should be helpful there, says Dr. Dale Klein, former chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission and now chair of TEPCO’s Nuclear Reform Monitoring Committee.

SNIP...

The Los Angeles Times quotes Edwin Lyman, coauthor of Fukushima: The Story of a Nuclear Disaster and a nuclear expert at the Union of Concerned Scientists, as saying that the post-accident management of water “has been a lot more complex than anyone imagined. If they are going to be restarting plants in Japan, they need to think harder about it.”

Kurion, a California company that TEPCO contracted with last year on water contamination, says it has a system that can separate tritium from water, but it must be scaled up to deal with volume present at Fukushima. Its president believes that the process would take 5-8 years. Setup would cost about $1 billion and operating costs would be several hundred million dollars a year.

SNIP...

Making matters worse for Japan’s nuclear industry on the whole is this development reported by Kyodo News:

“The nation’s nuclear regulator determined… that a reactor at Japan Atomic Power Co.’s Tsuruga nuclear plant on the Sea of Japan coast sits right above an active geological fault, a conclusion that may force the operator to permanently shut down the unit.”


Another April development occurred in Fukui prefecture, where a court blocked Kansai Electric Power from restarting two reactors at its Takahama site, warning of “imminent danger” to the surrounding area if the reactors were restarted. But on April 22, a court on Kyushu, third-largest of the country’s four main islands, rejected vociferous attempts to block restarting of two reactors at Kyushu Electric’s Sendai plant because of active earthquake faults and a nearby volcano.

CONTINUED...

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/05/continuing-surprises-mostly-unfortunate-japan-nuclear-industry/



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. Great. I take great pride in providing information that matters.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:32 PM
May 2015


Crop Circles. UFOs. Other Dimensions. Edge of Reality stuff that scares the Air Force and other members of the armed forces around the world. GOOGLE Frederick Valentich, Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson, or Thomas Mantell for example of brave people who have lost their lives in connection with UFOs.

Like I've written before: You help shut down their discussion by ridiculing those who are interested in them. Doing so is un-democratic, Major Nikon.

Orrex

(63,210 posts)
47. You should post that as an OP, so we can see who wins the "rightness" popularity contest.
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:21 AM
May 2015

Last edited Wed May 6, 2015, 09:29 AM - Edit history (1)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
29. Thats what they do, that is all they have. Ridicule.
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:30 PM
May 2015

Because scientifically they know they are wrong.

Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
38. When the other person believes in things that are not physically possible...
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:44 PM
May 2015

... sometimes ridicule is what's appropriate.

Particularly when it's far from "all you have"... but the other person remains "invincibly ignorant" and closed to any actual evidence.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
72. No one knows what's ''physically possible.''
Thu May 7, 2015, 07:41 AM
May 2015

Those who say they do are ignorant of history and reality. Mocking me or anyone else for pointing that out serves to shut down discussion of what might be possible based on what people have seen, cameras and radar have recorded, and other physical traces indicate.

Like the time Rex Heflin was on the job inspecting highway signs in 1965 with his Polaroid?



Heflin never said he took a picture of an alien craft, just that he saw something he could not explain nearby. In addition to the photos, his radio conked out when the object was nearby, then worked OK again after it departed.

Santa Ana, California

Reports about these strange objects reveal a performance envolope that seems to combine energy and mass in new ways.
Here's a panorama based on a series of photographs taken by the expedition photographer of a Brazilian Navy research ship Almirante Saldhana in January 1958, the International Geophysical Year off the coast of Trindade Island near Brazil:





Close up of object as it appeared in frame on the left of the composite:

Trindade Island, Brazil

As for what it was, or UFOs are: Who knows? Rather than ridicule people for seeing something that doesn't fit in with one's belief system, FBaggins, I prefer to encourage them to come forward with their reports, photos and films. That way we might learn new things about something you prefer we didn't know about.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
73. Sorry... that's religious faith... not science.
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:48 AM
May 2015

I'm not interested in talking about UFOs and wasn't in that post.

I was talking about the fact that it's physically impossible for the elements in that fuel to have a sustained nuclear reaction without the results that such reactions always have. When an atom fissions, you end up with the fission products... if there are no fission products, there was no fission. It isn't open to "we can't really know for sure" BS.

You can imagine an evil nuclear genie deep underground that can magic magically hide the fingerprints of a nuclear reaction if you like... just keep it to yourself. It's better for all concerned.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
75. More sideshow and distraction, FBaggins? I didn't bring any of that up.
Thu May 7, 2015, 09:55 AM
May 2015

In reading over the thread I realized that you should start a journal to make it easy to find your pearls of wisdom.

Seeing as I can't find any, they are not easy to spot, almost as if invisible.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
79. Did someone steal your login and make the OP without your consent?
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

You said "three ongoing, open-air and out-of-control nuclear reactions." and continued to defend the claim.

Seeing as I can't find any, they are not easy to spot, almost as if invisible.

That's an indictment of your reading compehension. Can't help you there.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
77. That top picture on the left side, MY HAT, that is where the fucking thing is! Where was that taken
Thu May 7, 2015, 10:01 AM
May 2015

I want the bastard that stole that hat- It meant a lot to me!


Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
17. Fukushima’s “Caldrons of Hell”: More than 300 Tons of Highly Radioactive Water Generated Daily
Tue May 5, 2015, 01:27 PM
May 2015

Asahi Shimbun, May 1, 2015 (emphasis added): Yauemon Sato, the ninth-generation chief of a sake brewery operating here since 1790 [and president of electric power company Aizu Denryoku] likens the crippled reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant to “caldrons of hell.”

In a recent interview with The Asahi Shimbun, Sato said the nuclear disaster “continues to recur every day”… Excerpts from the interview follow: Question: What drives you to be so active, including in the use of renewable energy? — Sato: You know the caldron of hell? You will be sent to hell and will be boiled in that caldron if you do evil. And there are four such caldrons in Fukushima… And the disaster has yet to end. It continues to recur every day. More than 300 tons of water, contaminated with intense levels of radioactive substances, are being generated every day…

Hiroaki Koide, professor at Kyoto Univ. Research Reactor Institute


11:30 – The Prime Minister [said Fukushima] had been brought to a close. My reaction on hearing his words was, ‘Stop kidding.’ Reality is, though 4 years have passed, the accident has not yet been brought to a close at all.

15:15 – What is the situation within the core? How much has melted? Where is the fuel exactly? We do not know… This is an accident of a severity that cannot be imagined anywhere else… As you can see, we are facing a very, very difficult situation. The only choice that we have open to us is to somehow keep the situation from getting worse.


30:30 – We are in a very terrible situation, I would even call it a crisis.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fukushimas-caldrons-of-hell-more-than-300-tons-of-highly-radioactive-water-generated-daily/5447161

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Gee. Who to believe? Professor who gets shut up by TEPCO, Abe, GE and CIA?
Tue May 5, 2015, 02:42 PM
May 2015

Or an anonymous poster somewhere on teh Internet?





http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/05/continuing-surprises-mostly-unfortunate-japan-nuclear-industry/

Who to believe? Who to believe? What to do? What to do?

Dunno. But I do know "Don't worry about it" doesn't cut it for me or democracy when plutonium and all the rest spewing forth from Fukushima is concerned.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
19. How interesting that you pick that "professor"
Tue May 5, 2015, 03:14 PM
May 2015

He never actually made it to professor. Despite four decades at the university, he was still two ranks below professor.

Dozens of professors and associate professors at the same school laughing at his nonsense (and, of course, he's been wrong over and over an over again since he's doing little more than parroting Gundersen's nonsense into Japanese)... but THIS is the one you find reliable?

Not a surprise.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
28. He was in the waste management division
Tue May 5, 2015, 04:24 PM
May 2015

It was pretty clear from his early pronouncements that unit 3 was a nuclear explosion... that he was out of his depth when talking about the actual physics involved.

I particularly got a kick out of watching the commonly-relinked youtube video he put together where he claims that Cesium 137 was the most dangerous element released in the Hiroshima/Nagasaki bombs.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
60. Link to the professors background? Or do you want me to just take your word for it?
Wed May 6, 2015, 06:49 PM
May 2015

That's nice you can read...most people can, can you provide links to your assertions too?

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
61. He's retired now
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:03 PM
May 2015

Until a few weeks ago, you could find him listed on the University's website as an assistant professor... but he isn't there any longer.

On edit -

Whoops! The division's subpage hasn't been updated yet.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. Link to 'dozens of fellow professors laughing at his claims'.
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:15 PM
May 2015

Since you made that claim. Thanks.

FBaggins

(26,737 posts)
63. You'll have to ask him...
Wed May 6, 2015, 07:26 PM
May 2015

... since he's the one who claims that his career never got anywhere because nobody else in the field agrees with him. But the school likes to support a diversity of opinion... which is nice.

Or... you could just note that this Fukushima thingy has been in the news a bit over the last four years and no other nuclear "professors" (let alone actual professors) have backed him up.

Whether or not they actually laughed at a 40+ year nuclear professor that still can't tell the difference between fissionable and fissile and that cesium is more dangerous than... oh... say plutonium? Well... that's really just a measure of their generosity toward an older colleague. We can only guess.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
42. Why do you waste your time?
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:11 PM
May 2015

You are a real trooper Octa, only the most obvious diehard apologists are left...all two of them!



 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
36. Whatever is happening at Fukushima
Tue May 5, 2015, 06:21 PM
May 2015

it ain't good and it ain't being dealt with in an honest and open way. Shut the whole fucking bunch of liars down for good.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
44. The radiation continues to spew and there's nothing man can do.
Tue May 5, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

That doesn't mean someone can't make a buck, however.



Japanese audit finds millions of dollars wasted in Fukushima nuclear plant cleanup

By: Mari Yamaguchi, The Associated Press
Posted: 03/24/2015

TOKYO - Japanese government auditors say the operator of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant has wasted more than a third of the 190 billion yen ($1.6 billion) in taxpayer money allocated for cleaning up the plant after it was destroyed by a March 2011 earthquake and tsunami.

A Board of Audit report describes various expensive machines and untested measures that ended in failure. It also says the cleanup work has been dominated by one group of Japanese utility, construction and electronics giants despite repeated calls for more transparency and greater access for international bidders.

SNIP...

Some of the failures cited in the report:

FRENCH IMPORT: Among the costliest failures was a 32 billion yen ($270 million) machine made by French nuclear giant Areva SA to remove radioactive cesium from water leaking from the three wrecked reactors. The trouble-plagued machine lasted just three months and treated only 77,000 tons of water, a tiny fraction of the volume leaking every day. It has since been replaced with Japanese and American machines.

SALT REMOVAL: Sea water was used early in the crisis to cool the reactors after the normal cooling systems failed. Machines costing 18.4 billion yen ($150 million) from several companies including Hitachi GE Nuclear Energy, Toshiba Corp. and Areva were supposed to remove the salt from the contaminated water at the plant. One of the machines functioned only five days, and the longest lasted just six weeks.

SHODDY TANKS: TEPCO hurriedly built dozens of storage tanks for the contaminated water at a cost of 16 billion yen ($134 million). The shoddy tanks, using rubber seals and assembled by unskilled workers, began leaking and some water seeped into the ground and then into the ocean. The tanks are now being replaced with more durable welded ones.

GIANT UNDERGROUND POOLS: A total of 2.1 billion yen ($18 million) was spent on seven huge underground pools built by Maeda Corp. to store the contaminated water. They leaked within weeks, and the water had to be transferred to steel tanks.

UNFROZEN TRENCH: A 100 million yen ($840,000) project to contain highly contaminated water in a maintenance tunnel by freezing it failed because the water never completely froze. TEPCO subsidiary Tokyo Power Technology even threw in chunks of ice, but eventually had to pour in cement to seal the trench.


SOURCE: http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/business/japanese-audit-finds-millions-of-dollars-wasted-in-fukushima-nuclear-plant-cleanup-297354521.html



Were that on the tee vee, it'd be the kind of news that could damage the viability of the nuclear industry.

So yeah, JEB. Agree with you completely. Shut the liars down.
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