What Will Happen on DU if Bernie Wins the Primary?

[RobertEarl]

And what will happen when Hillary endorses him?

And she will do that if he gets the nomination, I guarantee.

So will every other progressive Democrat. The endorsements will be solid and strong, and will be unequivocal. We will have the most united party ever!!

How will those who are all in for Hillary react to that endorsement?

[H2O Man]

1. jumping-jacks & cart-wheels?

[RobertEarl]

7. That works for me

I hope everybody is happy with who the voters of our party vote for as the next president. We simply have to be united in order to beat the republican owned media and their altered voting machines.

[ms liberty]

17. while simultaneously...

Eating some Ben & Jerry's, shopping for birkenstocks, and planning a vacation at Woodstock! Oh yes I will!

[roguevalley]

88. people need to understand that we are at a cross roads here. If we go the

route of bernie, it is real

[still_one]

3. Most will vote for the Democratic nominee, whoever that is

[hrmjustin]

4. Then Hillary supporters on this site will support Sanders.

[MissDeeds]

47. Very classy of you

Thanks

[hrmjustin]

57. Thank you.

[cantbeserious]

5. I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go

eom

[d_r]

6. it will be one of these, but I don't know which

[DCBob]

8. Pigs will fly.

[Snotcicles]

55. Look at 'em...

[NanceGreggs]

9. If Bernie wins the primary ...

... he will have my support, 100%.

I am a Democrat. Whoever the Democratic nominee is will have my support.

I am not one of those "only if it's MY favourite candidate who becomes the Party's nominee will I support him/her" Democrats.

I am not one of those "it's my guy/gal" Democrats who would rather see a Republican win the WH rather than vote for someone other than my-chosen-candidate.

I am not one of those "I will NOT vote for Sanders under any circumstances" Democrats.

It seems that those "all in for anyone but Hillary" are the problem.

[cantbeserious]

10. So Those That Are Not "All In" For Hillary Are Now Problems - How Insulting

eom

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. If you are a Democrat and would refuse to vote for ...

HRC, if she became the Democratic nominee; then, yes ... you would be a problem.

[Agschmid]

13. Waffles.

[zappaman]

16. Now you're talking!

[bettyellen]

22. Oh yummy. Going to have that on the AM!

[NanceGreggs]

41. Actually ...

... what's insulting is people who twist someone else's words to mean what they want them to mean, instead of reading what was actually said.

Your reading comprehension problems are YOUR problem, not mine.

[dreamnightwind]

66. No, the comprehension appears to be accurate, that's how I read it too

[NanceGreggs]

78. The "anyone but Hillary" folks ...

... are those who have stated that they will NOT vote for HRC if she's the nominee.

Most Sanders supporters I've seen here have said they will support the nominee, whoever it turns out to be. Most Warren supporters have said the same.
Most Hillary supporters have said the same.

It has nothing to do with who anyone supports in the primaries, but how many will support the nominee once they are chosen. And there are those who have stated unequivocally that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee unless it's "anyone but Hillary".

[dreamnightwind]

89. So?

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Sorry it's up to the candidate to make people able to stomach voting for him/her. It should probaby tell you something about Hillary if she can't get Democrats to vote for her.

edit to add: Bullying and browbeating fellow Democrats that they must vote for her is a very poor way to support for your candidate. You should use policies and issues rather than such heavy handed tactics.

I think your real motivation is to try to find grounds on which to get people kicked off of this site.

I support Democrats when they act like Democrats, not when they act like Republicans, which is what I think of top-down economics, globalization of capital to exploit labor, mass surveillance programs, using the U.S. taxpayer funded war machine all over the world to secure cheap and unregulated access to resources for global corporations, etc.

If I vote for anyone other than the Democratic nominee in the general election, it will only be after checking to make sure such a vote won't elect a Republican, and I would never ever vote for a Republican. I live in California, which is very solidly blue, if the Democratic nominee can't carry California the nominee is doomed everywhere. I voted for Jill Stein last time, Obama was way ahead and didn't need my vote, and after I supported him with time and money in '08 I felt deceived and lied to when he showed he was actually one of the "new democrats" (his words), didn't want to vote for him again. I don't advocate for third parties, I advocate for taking the Democratic party back from the monied interests so they will be worth supporting again. It would be great if you and everyone else would join in those effforts.

[NanceGreggs]

93. The "so" is ...

... the fact that Sanders supporters, O'Malley supporters, and those who would support Warren if she ran do not constitute "being all-in for Hillary" people, do they?

Stating that all Democrats should support the nominee, no matter who it turns out to be in the end, can hardly be construed as "bullying and browbeating" people into voting for HRC. I, along with many, many people here, have said we will support Bernie (or anyone else) who ends up being the (D) candidate.

"I think your real motivation is to try to find grounds on which to get people kicked off of this site."

DU became a free-for-all site years ago. I no longer care who posts here and who doesn't. I don't know how you think I could get anyone "kicked off this site". I never alert on anything, because the jury system is an exercise in pointlessness. So how you think I could contribute to anyone being "kicked off" is beyond me. Besides, what purpose would it serve? Everyone knows that the tombstoned simply come back within 48 hours under a different name.

This thread is about how people would react to a Bernie endorsement of Hillary, and I opined on the topic. Where you get the "use of policies and issues rather than such heavy handed tactics" makes absolutely no sense. It has nothing to do with the discussion at hand - nor do I see encouraging all Dems to rally around the eventual nominee as a "tactic", heavy-handed or otherwise.

[dreamnightwind]

94. OK

So your intent is to obligate people who don't support Hillary or her positions to vote for her anyway. I don't think that's a good way to support a candidate, but it's your choice how to go about it. I already explained my own voting policy to you so won't go into it again. But I find your approach so heavy handed and bullying that if my vote was in play, I would be turned away from your candidate rather than towards her by your approach. Better to make your appeal on the issues, IMHO. But do what you like, you have that right.

[NanceGreggs]

97. You've lost me.

I literally have NO idea what you're on about.

I am not in a position to "obligate" anyone to do anything - just as I am NOT in a position to "get people kicked off this site". Nor have I tried to "obligate" anyone who doesn't support Hillary. Seriously, I don't know where you're getting your ideas from - but they have no basis in fact, nor any basis in what I've said in this thread.

I DO believe that regardless of who the Democratic candidate is in 2016 - HRC, Sanders, O'Malley, or as-yet-to-announce-Democrat - that candidate should be supported. That's because when it comes to the end game, it's going to be a Democrat or a Republican who is elected POTUS.

I am not the least bit interested in your "voting policy" - because it's going to come down to the (D) or the (R), whether you like it or not. And if you think advocating for the (D) over the (R) is "bullying", that's your problem.

"Better to make your appeal on the issues."

You obviously haven't noticed that this particular thread has NOTHING TO DO with the issues or policies of any individual candidate, nor any "appeals" on the basis thereof. Why you insist on arguing with what IS NOT BEING DISCUSSED in this thread is anyone's guess.

[dreamnightwind]

98. OK, I tried, I will let it go

We are talking around each other with too little common ground to communicate.

[awoke_in_2003]

99. No need to explain, Nance...

anyone with a lick of sense (most of us) knew what you meant. Good to see you back

[Adrahil]

103. Thats not what was written.

But yeah,if you cant vote for. Hillary if she gets the nomination, you're part of the problem. Thats the truth whether you think it's insulting or not.

[RobertEarl]

15. No problems, Nance

This can be fun. We sure don't need to make a mess of it by declaring at this point that so-and-so is the problem. That's just getting off on the wrong foot and creates disunity.

We should not be beating each other up over this election season. And the time to start doing that is with our next post, eh?

[NanceGreggs]

52. The "I won't vote for anyone ...

... who is not MY choice" people ARE the problem.

And I am not about to pretend they aren't.

I am also not about to pretend that all who say that on DU actually are Democrats.

"We should not be beating each other up over this election season."

I agree. I didn't start that battle - nor do I have any interest in waging it.

[treestar]

108. +2

In the unlikely event he wins, he has my vote.

[oberliner]

11. Everyone will enthusiastically unite behind his candidacy

Just like what will happen if Hillary wins the primary, right?

[1StrongBlackMan]

14. I would hope. n/t

[oberliner]

19. DU has been super receptive to the idea of Sanders running thus far

I would think his winning the primary would lead to general elation from most DUers.

Whereas if Hillary won, I think the reaction here would be a little more mixed.

[zappaman]

18. I'm sure they will all vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

How about you Bob?
Will you be voting for the Democratic nominee in 2016?

[bettyellen]

24. And phone bank and donate..... Like always.

[RobertEarl]

30. Yep

We can't let a republican take the office.

[bettyellen]

34. Bernie is going to need the help! And he's got a lot of good things to say.

I'm excited he's running. I hope it'll interest a lot of apathetic people I know.

[NuclearDem]

20. I have no doubt nearly all Clinton supporters would enthusiastically back him.

Given some recent posts, I can't necessarily say the same if the situation were reversed...

[Marr]

25. I don't think many Sanders supporters would enthusiastically back Clinton, no.

But I expect a lot of Hillary supporters wouldn't support Sanders at all-- enthusiastically or otherwise. Self-described 'centrists' often flit from one party to the other. It's the nature of the beast. They cost Gore a lot more votes in Florida than the much-maligned Naderites did.

[hrmjustin]

33. Well DU Clinton supporters have said we will support the nominee if dB it was not Clinton.

[Marr]

38. I know, and that's fine. Plenty of non-Hillary fans have said the same.

It doesn't change the fact that centrists, by their very nature, more easily flit from one party to the other. They're much more fickle and unreliable than the liberal base, if history is any indicator.

[brooklynite]

49. Except that we're NOT "Centrists" who happen to vote for "Democrats"...

...we're DEMOCRATS who happen to be CENTRIST.

Have you perhaps forgotten what the name of this website is?

[Marr]

53. Why are you angry?

This shouldn't be shocking, and I didn't say anything about you personally.

Centrists have a history of flitting from one party to the other, because they have, by definition, more in common with Republicans than do their liberal cohorts. That's just a fact. Hillary Clinton is a self-described centrist who will naturally draw centrist/moderate supporters.

I don't understand where the indignation is coming from.

[brooklynite]

56. That's a "fact" that you offer no evidence for...

There are unaffiliated "Independents" who may flit from Party to Party. Centrist Democrats are just as loyal as Progressives (although, from some of the posts I've seen here, I might say they're more so...)

[Marr]

58. I might as well be asked to prove that six is more than two.

Of course there are centrists who are fiercely loyal to the party-- and why not? Their faction has been in charge of the party for almost 20 years now.

But as voters go, centrists/moderates/whatever you want to call them, are closer to the right than are their liberal cohorts. Hypothetically speaking, if Sanders won the nomination, and Hillary supporters were left to choose between Sanders and some moderate Republican like Jon Huntsman, I expect a lot of them would go to Huntsman.

All those Democrats in Florida who voted for Bush in 2000-- who do you think they were? Liberals?

[brooklynite]

59. Beyond the fact that -- again -- you provide no evidence...

...you won't be HAVING a "moderate republican like Jon Huntsman".

[Marr]

60. That's why I said "hypothetically".

And just to clarify your demand here-- you want me to give you evidence that Centrists are closer to the... center...?

[Jamastiene]

71. Well, last I checked, it is not CENTRIST Underground.

Too bad so many centrists and conservatives here constantly tell the liberals to STFU so much. It would be nice if liberals had a place to go where we don't have to listen to the constant negativity the few times we get the slightest small bit of what we want for a change. Being a liberal on DU nowadays is like being a dog under the table who goes for a crumb that fell onto the floor only to be stabbed with a fork by "centrists" and conservatives who begrudge us even having a few crumbs.

[brooklynite]

75. Aww...was someone mean to you?

DU has always skewed to the progressive side of the Party (and beyond -- I see self-described socialists and marxists here as well), but you can't take some criticism like "your candidate might have an electability problem" without feeling oppressed?

[LanternWaste]

79. I imagine petulant responses too may be likened to the peevishness of "you can't take..."

I imagine petulant responses too may be likened to the peevishness of "you can't take some criticism."

Though no doubt, someone will rationalize a distinction without a difference to better maintain holding others to a higher standard than they hold themselves to.

[eloydude]

109. Who did you want in the 2004 elections?

Democratic primary candidates, including:

Kerry
Dean
Clark
Edwards
Kucinich
Gephardt

[brooklynite]

112. Supported Clark and Dean early on; ended up with Kerry as best shot against Bush

[RobertEarl]

36. True that

We have lost many an election because of Dems not voting for Dems like Gore and Carter. And nearly 100% of the time it was the centrist Dems who ran away from party loyalty.

[theboss]

21. How many years will it take for people on this board to understand how primaries work?

Whoever wins the primary will be endorsed by whoever loses the primary.

Whoever loses the primary will give a speech at the convention praising whoever wins the primary.

This isn't bloodsport.

[RobertEarl]

26. According to a recent DU poll

Just 10% of DU members who voted, voted for Hillary and 90% for Bernie.

So what we have here is a small minority of members who are for Hillary.

As Liberals we should certainly afford that minority some affirmative action and try to make their lives a bit easier, and not run them into the ground.

That's my take.

[rocktivity]

27. The same thing that happened on DU when Obama won the primary!

rocktivity

[BKH70041]

28. I prefer to cross these bridges if they take place.

Party unity can never be assured, no matter who wins. But that's part of the game.

[Agnosticsherbet]

29. Same thing if its the otherway around.

Most of us will support the winner of the primary.

A few people will not.

[tritsofme]

31. I'll jump in my flying DeLorean to see the Cubs win the World Series at Wrigley.

[cherokeeprogressive]

32. Do we REALLY need this bullshit "I know you are but what am I?" schoolyard bullshit?

[RobertEarl]

37. I repeat what I wrote above

We have lost many an election because of Dems not voting for Dems like Gore and Carter. And nearly 100% of the time it was the centrist Dems who ran away from party loyalty.

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Doesn't begin to address the question though, does it?

[RobertEarl]

44. Some of us have problems discussing issues

Indeed.

But, this is a discussion forum and that, to me means not cussing, but dis-cussing.

The more I think about it, the more sure I become. It has not been the Liberal leftists who ran away from Dems and voted for republicans, it was the centrists who abandoned the party. So for those casting stones at Liberals, I say you may be living in a glass house?

For proof one only has to look at states such as Florida where Obama won the state but the legislature went republican. It wasn't leftists who voted for the republicans in Florida, now was it?

[zappaman]

43. Really?

Prove it.

[theboss]

51. We lost one election because of that - arguably

Gore in 2000.

Carter lost because Democrats became Republicans and stayed Republicans until they died. (There are no such thing as Reagan Democrats any longer. They are all dead or in their 80s).

[RobertEarl]

54. What about Dems that voted for bush?

Lots of them, and they sure weren't leftists.

Really, this bs about leftists who are supporting Bernie not willing to support the party has NO basis whatsoever. It is the centrist that we have to worry about deserting the party and voting for republicans, just like the reagan democrats, as you pointed out.

[zappaman]

62. What Dems voted for Bush?

Prove it Bob.

[dreamnightwind]

68. Here's one article that supports it

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/06/1260721/-The-Nader-Myth
" Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader."

This appears to be based on exit polls after the 2000 Florida election.

[LanternWaste]

80. Does not support the assertion "And nearly 100% of the time..."

Does not support the assertion "And nearly 100% of the time it was the centrist Dems who ran away from party loyalty...."

[dreamnightwind]

90. That wasn't my assertion

nor was it mentioned in the post I responsed to. But don't you find it enlightening that, despite all of the brow-beating of the left because of Gore's loss,

" Gore lost 191,000 self-described liberals to Bush, compared to less than 34,000 who voted for Nader."

As far as I am concerned that is a bombshell.

[RobertEarl]

100. Ya think real Liberals voted for bush?

Really? You need proof that more centrists and cons of the registered democrats voted not for Gore, but for bush? Really?

It is just plain common sense that centrists and cons will vote for a republican nearly 100% of the time more than a real Liberal would.

Of course I have had years and years of experience with politics, so there is that.

[LynneSin]

82. Be fair, some of these folks may have been in a coma in 2008

and had no clue what happened back then

Just saying

[PeaceNikki]

35. I was lead to believe we'd all be getting ponies.

[Jackpine Radical]

46. What, you didn't get yours?

[greytdemocrat]

39. I think...

The sun will explode!!!

[ScreamingMeemie]

42. I will vote for the Democratic nominee whomever he/she is.

My level excitement and desire to be involved depends upon who the nominee is, but they will all get my vote.

[MrScorpio]

45. Lookie here, I personally do not care who will get the nomination in the end...

So long as all of us as voters in the Democratic primaries will get to have our say. In the end, I'm supporting the eventual nominee 100%.

That would mean, if we all nominated Mickey fuckin' Mouse, we all better be wearing mouse ears and singing the goddamn club house song in order to get his rodent ass elected.

We all will have a Republican to beat in November 2016. None of us should ever lose sight of that fact.

[Jamastiene]

72. I love the Mickey Mouse part, especially.

I could not agree more.

[leftofcool]

77. Now you've done it!

I am visualizing the DU collective all standing around in a circle wearing Mickey Mouse ears singing "We Shall Overcome."

[Nay]

48. I don't know about you, but I'm going to get drunk on kahlua. nt

[DJ13]

50. Lots of kitties

[RobertEarl]

61. It wil be like late 2008 all over again

When DU was happy and having fun and fighting to make sure Obama got elected.

[zappaman]

63. But I thought you joined in 2011 Bob?

BeFree to tell us how DU was before you were here.
Heh.

[SidDithers]

84. Yes, that's what his profile says. Join date Dec 14, 2011...

That's a bit strange, eh?



Sid

[zappaman]

86. Weird...

[Major Hogwash]

64. Oh, this is too easy . . . there's always 2020.

And she didn't say she wouldn't run again!!

[pnwmom]

65. Hillary's supporters will do the same thing they did when Obama won. Support the Dem. But what about Bernie's

supporters if Hillary wins?

Will they walk off the field in a huff?

[merrily]

67. Bait much?

[pkdu]

110. Hardly a bait or even tough question...but needs answered. Nt

[Jamastiene]

69. They will immediately start talking about how liberals have screwed the party,

and how it is a big mistake and a guaranteed loss in the general election.

[Adrahil]

105. Well , i do think Bernie would have a tough time winning...

... But that doesn't mean i wouldn't support him with time and money.

But then again, i don't personally think this will ever be something i have to worry about.

[dreamnightwind]

70. I have always thought Hillary's support has a lot to do with

perceived electability. I know there are some people who really like her, and others who want a woman POTUS (though I'm a man I would also like to see a woman POTUS, one reason I prefer Warren to Sanders, though I absolutely love Sanders), and also some people are centrist and support the status quo. But many of her supporters are primarily (pun intended) wanting to keep a Republican out of the White House.

So for those people, I would think that, once the primary is over and Bernie wins, they would get behind Bernie. The ones who are truly more centrist might crossover to vote for a Bush, I think that would be a small number. Third party options for Hillary supporters? Maybe, I don't see them going third party much, though I should probably let them speak for themselves.

There are some circumstances where I might vote for Hillary in the general election, not many though, I just don't believe in the same worldview she believes in, and to me she is very close to what I think of as a Republican.

I'm lucky enough to live in California, so I often have the luxury of putting a finger to the wind to see if there's any likelihood of a Republican taking this state. Not likely at all in 2016 from what I can see. When the Dem is comfortably ahead, I can and sometimes do give my vote to a third party, last time I voted for Jill Stein, more to support a thirdparty like the Greens and as a protest of the leadership of our corporate Democrats than as a vote for Stein (I've see her speak a few times and liked her some but was not all that excited about her).

I am incredibly excited about Sanders and would be equally or even more excited if Warren ran.

[ucrdem]

73. Truth? 63 of us will vote for Bernie and 630 will forget to register.

If past is prologue.

[eridani]

74. In 2008, Hillary backers lined up behind Obama

PUMA was mostly an urban legend. I expect the same will happen in 2016.

[DrDan]

76. They will react as the adults they are

[LynneSin]

81. Been there, done that, bought the souvenior T-shirt in 2008

I think DU is still running last time I checked.

[Orsino]

83. There would be a lot of hurt feelings, and a lot of gloating.

Whichever way the primary goes. It's DU, Jake.

[KamaAina]

85. Now we are so happy we dance the dance of joy!

[MineralMan]

87. Nice copycat thread.

You even copied my words correctly. Good job!

You seem to have missed the part in that thread where I said I'd be caucusing for Senator Sanders in my own state next year. So, of course I'll vote for him if he is the nominee. In fact, as a Democrat, I will vote for the Democrat for President every time, as I have done since 1968. I would have done so in 1960, too, but I was only 15 years old, so all I could do was campaign for JFK.

[mvd]

91. He'll go onto win the Presidency

As a supporter, I am thinking positively despite how cynical I am about the electorate. Yes he's older, doesn't have the star power of Hillary, comes from a small state, is a declared Democratic Socialist (that fits with my beliefs but is a dirty word) - but like with my a previous support of Kucinich, we have to try. Maybe people, even those who aren't progressives, admire a fighter like Bernie.

[hfojvt]

92. an ice skating party in hell

but nobody will hear the announcement because of the sonic boom from the flying pigs breaking the sound barrier.

[KamaAina]

95. A bunch of trolls come on and tell us that he's unelectable?

Oh, wait, that already happened.

[Starry Messenger]

96. I'd support him and phone bank.

Send $, that kind of thing you do when you have the goal of beating Republicans. Why wouldn't anyone?

[darkangel218]

101. A big party!

[Adrahil]

102. I'll support Bernie.. What else would I do? n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

104. What will happen on DU if Bernie wins the primary ---->

[Generic Brad]

106. Told you so's and screw you's

Just a typical day at DU.

[L0oniX]

107. Crow's will become an endangered species.

[Historic NY]

111. Which primary...??