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I am thinking of becoming a vegetarian...... (Original Post) Ruffhowse May 2012 OP
Smart choice! silverweb May 2012 #1
I have to ask, why? underseasurveyor May 2012 #2
I'm totally with underseasurveyor. Honestly, non-combative curiousity about why? dballance May 2012 #4
Health, compassion for animals emsimon33 May 2012 #9
It's not at all clear that we evolved as omnivores whatchamacallit May 2012 #18
Thanks for that link - very informative dballance May 2012 #27
You're welcome whatchamacallit May 2012 #30
I am a vegan, but there is no substitute for a rare rib steak or standing rib roast! emsimon33 May 2012 #10
I've been researching....... Ruffhowse May 2012 #12
Mass factory food is horrifiying underseasurveyor May 2012 #14
Just about any good general vegetarian cookbook will do you Warpy May 2012 #3
This pic cracks me up every time. TransitJohn May 2012 #5
So to me that says vegan/vegetarians are curious, conscientious and communicative and like to share. underseasurveyor May 2012 #8
yes, people who eat meat are dumb, evil and stupid... dionysus May 2012 #17
Maybe not evil, but considering the redundancy in your statement... whatchamacallit May 2012 #20
no wonder you guys need support groups... dionysus May 2012 #22
I eat as many steaks for breakfast as the next guy sudopod May 2012 #24
I didn't say it. underseasurveyor May 2012 #28
I don't have a book but I do have advice XemaSab May 2012 #6
That is good advice to an extent. Luminous Animal May 2012 #11
and Greek, middle eastern, mediterranean dana_b May 2012 #32
Are you looking for a cookbook or a nutrition book? LeftyMom May 2012 #7
I gave up meat... orwell May 2012 #13
I have a fairly good idea what goes on in meat processing plants, RebelOne May 2012 #15
"A Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe GoCubsGo May 2012 #16
Make sure to get a recent version and not an older used copy. LeftyMom May 2012 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author LeftyMom May 2012 #26
The veggie group here has some good recipes and good info WhollyHeretic May 2012 #19
tofu sucks, I've tried it in so many recipes and the results are the same Demonaut May 2012 #21
I can agree. RebelOne May 2012 #31
good luck quinnox May 2012 #23
Congratulations! Hell Hath No Fury May 2012 #29
More links justiceischeap May 2012 #34
I wish you the best of luck and patience Taverner May 2012 #33
Between meat glue and pink slime I don't care if I eat beef again as long as I live. Initech May 2012 #35
Don't know of a good book, but I have ten long-winded tips... Barely May 2012 #36

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
1. Smart choice!
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:20 PM
May 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Congratulations!

There's a whole group for vegans/vegetarians, and someone else recently asked about cookbooks, so you'll find a lot of great information here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1131.

Especially if you start out using Quorn or some of the other excellent meat substitutes available now, there's no reason at all to feel "deprived" in terms of your diet. As you adjust, you'll discover many new creative ways of cooking without meat and possibly other animal products (eggs, fish, dairy).

Bon appetite!

PS - There are also scads of recipes on line to discover in many different cuisines. Have fun with them!

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
2. I have to ask, why?
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:25 PM
May 2012

What are your reasons for giving up eating meat? Just curious.

I think it's great that you're considering it. There are so many wonderful meat substitutes that you'll never feel deprived of real meat.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
4. I'm totally with underseasurveyor. Honestly, non-combative curiousity about why?
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:42 PM
May 2012

It is clear we evolved as beasts who are omnivores. Our ancestors hunted and killed animals that provided them with protein and the animal fat helped them survive winters. They had to to survive.

Sure, we don't need to do that anymore since we can just go to the Safeway/Publix/Kroger and buy whatever we need including vitamins to supply us with all the things we need for good health.

I am just naively curious as to why one would choose to be a vegetarian and then go full-bore eliminating eggs and milk too.

I don't eat steak very often. It is usually a treat during a celebration. I actually don't even eat burgers from the fast-food places too often either. I'm mainly a fish and poultry kind of guy.

But I do love a nice med-rare steak and a baked potato every once in a while.

So please enlighten me.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
9. Health, compassion for animals
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:32 AM
May 2012

My conversion came when I attended a McDougall weekend seminar in 2006. I had no plans to become a vegan; however, I attended the weekend by myself, so I was able to interact with many of the 200 other attendees and hear their stories. I left after the weekend and continued from that point eating a plant-based diet.

I then attended a ten-day Dr. McDougall program in 2007. I was healthy but most of the others attending had serious (even life-threatening) health issues. Within 7 days (not even the full ten), my fellow attendees with medical problems had significant improvements--no more pain after years of pain from an autoimmune disease, much lower blood pressure, much lower cholesterol, diabetes under control, etc.--all from eating a low-fat, mainly organic vegan diet for those days. Even I saw a huge drop in my already good cholesterol levels.

Since becoming a vegan, I now believe that being vegan also shows compassion for animals, especially those that are factory farmed, and the environment. I didn't think that I could ever give up meat, but the more I read about how our food, especially animal flesh--even fish--are contaminated, I am glad that I gave it up.

I cook meat and use diary when cooking for friends and family who are not vegans or vegetarians. I am not a zealot. But I do believe that our world would be much better off if we consumed far less meat.

"The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell explains the benefits of a plant based diet. A textbook that I was recently flipping through on agriculture policy made a very mind-blowing statement: The one single thing to end the water problem in California is to significantly decrease livestock. Livestock is the single largest consumer of water--not just the animals drinking the water but also the water required to raise the feed for the livestock, etc.

We do not need meat or dairy for protein. Plants have protein. In a vegan diet, only sugars and oils do not have some protein.

You might want to check out Dr. McDougall: http://www.drmcdougall.com.


whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
18. It's not at all clear that we evolved as omnivores
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:41 PM
May 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/shattering-the-meat-myth_b_214390.html

Yes Huffpost I know, but try to consider the content. I agree with Dr. Leaky, we are missing most of the physical characteristics of natural carnivores. Nifty processing, enabled by human intelligence, is what allows us to eat meat. We'd be doing ourselves, and the planet, a favor if we didn't.
 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
27. Thanks for that link - very informative
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:00 PM
May 2012

Thank you. I very much appreciate being educated even if it goes against the beliefs I've always had.

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
10. I am a vegan, but there is no substitute for a rare rib steak or standing rib roast!
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:35 AM
May 2012

But the benefits of eating a plant-based diet more than compensate.

I also agree with the suggestion that those considering cutting back on meat and diary adopt the diet of Asian, Mexican, Indian, and other cultures whose meals do not revolve around meat.

Ruffhowse

(1,442 posts)
12. I've been researching.......
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:56 AM
May 2012

the "factory food" industry. and what I've found out and watched about the houses of horror that the meat industry creates in their slaughterhouses, I just cannot look at meat anymore and feel anything but disgust. That, plus a real sense that vegetarianism is a more spiritual, ecological and ethical way to eat, and healthier as well, has me very motivated to make the change.

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
14. Mass factory food is horrifiying
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:16 PM
May 2012

Not only on the level of cruelty as you said but add to that how meat is processed and stories of 'pink slime' and 'meat glue' makes the whole idea of eating meat that much more distasteful and dangerous.

Try and stay away from GMO foods too.

Cheers to you To Health

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
3. Just about any good general vegetarian cookbook will do you
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:34 PM
May 2012

I was a veg head before there were meat substitutes available and I loved it. It required thinking outside the bean into patties, loaves, stuffings and spreads but that was just a great challenge. Making your peace with tofu and tempeh is a good idea if you don't have ages of time to spend on cooking.

Bittman's "How to Cook Everything Vegetarian" is a great book although a lot of his stuff tends to be a little on the bland side and needs more seasoning. It also contains minimal proselytizing, very refreshing for a veggie cookbook.

underseasurveyor

(6,428 posts)
8. So to me that says vegan/vegetarians are curious, conscientious and communicative and like to share.
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:06 AM
May 2012

And meat eaters are thoughtless, mindless appetites.

sudopod

(5,019 posts)
24. I eat as many steaks for breakfast as the next guy
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:53 PM
May 2012

but geez, how come non-veggies have to be so bloody defensive? It's like some folks crave validation from non-meat eaters. Do they want a blessing or warrant of some kind?

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
6. I don't have a book but I do have advice
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:54 PM
May 2012

Don't try to take the steak, taters, and peas American meal and eat it without the steak.

You will want to shank someone.

Think about eating Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Italian, Mexican, and other cuisines where the meat isn't the star of the show.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
11. That is good advice to an extent.
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:49 AM
May 2012

I cook mostly American meals ala the Greens restaurant and Spanish and Italian. All three are withing my traditional palate and skill set (I love potatoes and beans). Though I love Asian food, and I can skillfully cook some dishes when I have specific instructions, I don't have the cultural background to wing a variety of great dishes with my regular ingredients on hand.

For instance, I love cannellini beans. I can caramelize onions and add crisped sauteed garlic. Mash some cannellini beans with sage. Steam some greens, poach an egg and toast a couple of slices of toasted french bread rubbed lightly with tomato paste and olive oil. Then, I can serve the toast topped by the mashed beans, top with onions, drizzle with olive oil and sprinkle with the crisped garlic. On the side, steamed greens with balsamic vinegar and a poached egg.

Or, if I have leftover rice, I make rice cakes (with eggs and sauteed mushrooms). I saute onions and garlic add a can of tomatoes with basil, bay leaf and cloves and stew. Then I add cannellini beans. Take off the heat and add bitter greens. Then I put the stewed tomatoes, beans,, etc., in a shallow bowl, put the rice cake in the center and add a dollop of pesto sauce. (I keep saran wrapped rolls of homemade pesto in the freezer and slice off chunks when I want to use it as seasoning.) My husband and daughter like to add sour cream on top.

Or, I thinly slice potatoes on my mandolin (or blade on my box grater) steam them for 5 minutes. Mix bread crumbs with some olive oil. Saute onions and garlic together. Saute thin sliced bell peppers (any color) separately. Soak sundried tomatoes (I dry dozens in the oven in the summer when tomatoes are the cheapest). Mash some cannellini beans with sage. Grate a bit of cheese or mix bread crumbs with olive oil or both. Whisk eggs with oregano and a bit of the dried tomato water. Layer potatoes on the bottom of a stove top and oven ready skillet. Add dollops of mashed beans. Pour eggs on top. Cover on medium low heat for about 5 minutes. Uncover, add sauteed onions and garlic, sauteed peppers and tomatoes on top. Add cheese on top if using. Cover, cook for 10 minutes. Turn on broiler, sprinkle bread crumbs if using. Put at least 8" under broiler until crumbs are brown.

All of these are great with a salad. Nuts and fruit make a great addition to any salad.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
7. Are you looking for a cookbook or a nutrition book?
Wed May 9, 2012, 12:02 AM
May 2012

If the former, 1000 Vegan Recipes is a good place to start, if the latter, Becoming Vegan. I'm also a huge fan of The Joy of Vegan Baking, which explains a lot of the hows and whys of veganizing existing recipes.

vegweb.com is very helpful if you're looking for a veg version of some food you're craving.

orwell

(7,771 posts)
13. I gave up meat...
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:05 AM
May 2012

...after working in a meat plant.

If you saw what went on in a meat processing plant you could never forget it...

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
15. I have a fairly good idea what goes on in meat processing plants,
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:23 PM
May 2012

and that is why I have been a vegetarian for the past 15 years.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
25. Make sure to get a recent version and not an older used copy.
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:53 PM
May 2012

The protein combining information in the earlier editions is entirely outdated.

Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #16)

Demonaut

(8,914 posts)
21. tofu sucks, I've tried it in so many recipes and the results are the same
Wed May 9, 2012, 01:49 PM
May 2012

it just sucks

other that the lack of flavor soy is one of the most GM'd products on the market and if you're a guy
manboobs may be in your future as it has quite a bit of estrogen

as a source of protein I would try nuts and beans


just sayin

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
31. I can agree.
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:00 PM
May 2012

Though I am a vegetarian, I am not wild about tofu. I have tried cooking it many ways, but still cannot bring myself to like it.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
29. Congratulations!
Wed May 9, 2012, 02:09 PM
May 2012

20+ year vegetarian/wanna be vegan here. Some of the Dean Ornish books get into the science behind the health benefits. As for recipes, I liked Linda McCartney's book, Lindsey Wagner has a nice vegan cookbook, Vegetarian Times magazine is good.

Dr. Andrew Weil has some good veg recipes here: http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/common/recipe.html

PETA has some recipes: http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/recipes/default.aspx

This is Veg Kitchen: http://www.vegkitchen.com/

TV shows:

http://delicioustv.com/
http://www.theppk.com/
http://www.everydaydish.tv/
http://www.pbs.org/food/shows/jazzy-vegetarian/

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
34. More links
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:11 PM
May 2012
http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/
http://www.vegetariantimes.com/

I've been vegetarian/vegan since I was 16 (a long time now) and I use pretty much any recipe I want at this point and just make substitutions to make it animal-free. PS... one of the best meat-free mock meat companies, IMO, is Gardien. Also, I'm a big fan of Tofurky slices (like lunchmeat) and Field Roast makes some damn good "sausage" (Apple Sage is my fave). And if you haven't already, introduce yourself to Quinoa, it's a great protein and considered a super food.
 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
33. I wish you the best of luck and patience
Wed May 9, 2012, 03:07 PM
May 2012

I know I'm not ready to make that jump, even though it is the ethical choice

Barely

(4 posts)
36. Don't know of a good book, but I have ten long-winded tips...
Wed May 9, 2012, 05:05 PM
May 2012

If you're going the lacto-ovo route as I have, here are some things I wish people had told me at the start...

1. Get away from American food in general. It's not satisfying without meat. You'll be a very unhappy vegetarian eating this stuff.

2. Eat spicy foods. Mexican, indian, chinese, thai, etc.

3. If you have to eat fast food, stick to Burger King and Taco Bell. Burger King has a sandwich called the "BK Veggie" that is a Morningstar Farms meatless patty. Their fries don't contain beef flavoring and are cooked in separate oils from the meats. It's not great because they microwave your patty, but it's edible. Taco Bell has bean burritos, 1/2 lb cheesy bean & rice burritos, and seven layer burritos (ask for no sour cream, it has animal-based gelatin).

4. Fresh salsa is your friend. It's cheap to make a big container of it each weekend and has a ton of flavor. You can put it on almost anything, and it's very healthy.

5. A lot of recipes that require chicken or chicken broth can be reasonably faked using no-chicken broth. A good example is vegetable mai fun, an amazing chinese dish that normally uses chicken broth.

6. Keep a small notebook with which grocery stores in your area carry which products. Grocery shopping as a vegetarian can be tough in some areas. I shop at half a dozen stores weekly because I don't have a good one in my area. Kroger is the one around me with the best vegetarian selection, though.

7. Potatoes and beans often make a good substitute for beef, especially in mexican foods. Example: chopped onion, vegetarian refried beans, vegetarian chili, rotel tomatoes, cheese, a packet of taco seasoning, a handful of jalapeno slices, and some roasted potatoes all mixed together make a very nice burrito filling.

8. When using a meat substitute, google tips on cooking it. For example, the burger boxes don't tell you that the best way to cook them is actually in a toaster oven on the toaster setting!

9. Don't beat yourself up too badly for not being a Vegan or Fruititarian or whatever. I sleep just fine at night knowing that my impact is an order of magnitude less than what it was as a full-fledged meat-first American.

10. I can't stand tofu. I've tried tons of ways of preparing it, but it's always nasty. So...Some good products that make the change easier:

Bush's Vegetarian Baked Beans
Hormel Vegetarian Chili
SmartDeli Pepperoni
Morningstar Farms Bacon Strips
Morningstar Farms Prime Grillers
Morningstar Farms BBQ Riblets
Boca Spicy Chik'n Patties
Boca All American Flame Grilled Meatless Burgers
Boca Crumbles
Tombstone Veggie Pizza
Any product made by "Field Roast," if you can find a store that has them

For Boca products, the tan-colored packaging is for the stuff that contains soy NOT genetically modified. For the pepperoni, it's pretty important to stick to the SmartDeli brand and cook it UNDER the cheese if it's for a pizza. All of the sandwich patties on that list are really good with the same toppings Burger King puts on Whoppers. If cooked and spiced properly, Boca crumbles make spaghetti sauce better than it is with beef. I like to make it with spinach, zucchini, onions, and green peppers. The Morningstar Farms and Boca facebook pages occasionally post some nice recipes using their products, as well.

All in all, the change to lacto-ovo is not a tough one if you use meat substitutes. Veganism is considerably tougher, as you lose a ton of the finished heat-and-eat products that contain milk and eggs.

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