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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am thinking of becoming a vegetarian......
and would like any recommendations others may have for a good book on the subject. Anything that explains all the how-to's and such. Thanks!
silverweb
(16,402 posts)[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Congratulations!
There's a whole group for vegans/vegetarians, and someone else recently asked about cookbooks, so you'll find a lot of great information here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1131.
Especially if you start out using Quorn or some of the other excellent meat substitutes available now, there's no reason at all to feel "deprived" in terms of your diet. As you adjust, you'll discover many new creative ways of cooking without meat and possibly other animal products (eggs, fish, dairy).
Bon appetite!
PS - There are also scads of recipes on line to discover in many different cuisines. Have fun with them!
underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)What are your reasons for giving up eating meat? Just curious.
I think it's great that you're considering it. There are so many wonderful meat substitutes that you'll never feel deprived of real meat.
dballance
(5,756 posts)It is clear we evolved as beasts who are omnivores. Our ancestors hunted and killed animals that provided them with protein and the animal fat helped them survive winters. They had to to survive.
Sure, we don't need to do that anymore since we can just go to the Safeway/Publix/Kroger and buy whatever we need including vitamins to supply us with all the things we need for good health.
I am just naively curious as to why one would choose to be a vegetarian and then go full-bore eliminating eggs and milk too.
I don't eat steak very often. It is usually a treat during a celebration. I actually don't even eat burgers from the fast-food places too often either. I'm mainly a fish and poultry kind of guy.
But I do love a nice med-rare steak and a baked potato every once in a while.
So please enlighten me.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)My conversion came when I attended a McDougall weekend seminar in 2006. I had no plans to become a vegan; however, I attended the weekend by myself, so I was able to interact with many of the 200 other attendees and hear their stories. I left after the weekend and continued from that point eating a plant-based diet.
I then attended a ten-day Dr. McDougall program in 2007. I was healthy but most of the others attending had serious (even life-threatening) health issues. Within 7 days (not even the full ten), my fellow attendees with medical problems had significant improvements--no more pain after years of pain from an autoimmune disease, much lower blood pressure, much lower cholesterol, diabetes under control, etc.--all from eating a low-fat, mainly organic vegan diet for those days. Even I saw a huge drop in my already good cholesterol levels.
Since becoming a vegan, I now believe that being vegan also shows compassion for animals, especially those that are factory farmed, and the environment. I didn't think that I could ever give up meat, but the more I read about how our food, especially animal flesh--even fish--are contaminated, I am glad that I gave it up.
I cook meat and use diary when cooking for friends and family who are not vegans or vegetarians. I am not a zealot. But I do believe that our world would be much better off if we consumed far less meat.
"The China Study" by T. Colin Campbell explains the benefits of a plant based diet. A textbook that I was recently flipping through on agriculture policy made a very mind-blowing statement: The one single thing to end the water problem in California is to significantly decrease livestock. Livestock is the single largest consumer of water--not just the animals drinking the water but also the water required to raise the feed for the livestock, etc.
We do not need meat or dairy for protein. Plants have protein. In a vegan diet, only sugars and oils do not have some protein.
You might want to check out Dr. McDougall: http://www.drmcdougall.com.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Yes Huffpost I know, but try to consider the content. I agree with Dr. Leaky, we are missing most of the physical characteristics of natural carnivores. Nifty processing, enabled by human intelligence, is what allows us to eat meat. We'd be doing ourselves, and the planet, a favor if we didn't.
dballance
(5,756 posts)Thank you. I very much appreciate being educated even if it goes against the beliefs I've always had.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)But the benefits of eating a plant-based diet more than compensate.
I also agree with the suggestion that those considering cutting back on meat and diary adopt the diet of Asian, Mexican, Indian, and other cultures whose meals do not revolve around meat.
Ruffhowse
(1,442 posts)the "factory food" industry. and what I've found out and watched about the houses of horror that the meat industry creates in their slaughterhouses, I just cannot look at meat anymore and feel anything but disgust. That, plus a real sense that vegetarianism is a more spiritual, ecological and ethical way to eat, and healthier as well, has me very motivated to make the change.
underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)Not only on the level of cruelty as you said but add to that how meat is processed and stories of 'pink slime' and 'meat glue' makes the whole idea of eating meat that much more distasteful and dangerous.
Try and stay away from GMO foods too.
Cheers to you To Health
Warpy
(111,255 posts)I was a veg head before there were meat substitutes available and I loved it. It required thinking outside the bean into patties, loaves, stuffings and spreads but that was just a great challenge. Making your peace with tofu and tempeh is a good idea if you don't have ages of time to spend on cooking.
Bittman's "How to Cook Everything Vegetarian" is a great book although a lot of his stuff tends to be a little on the bland side and needs more seasoning. It also contains minimal proselytizing, very refreshing for a veggie cookbook.
TransitJohn
(6,932 posts)Good luck!
underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)And meat eaters are thoughtless, mindless appetites.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)have some chorizo, it'll do you some good...
sudopod
(5,019 posts)but geez, how come non-veggies have to be so bloody defensive? It's like some folks crave validation from non-meat eaters. Do they want a blessing or warrant of some kind?
underseasurveyor
(6,428 posts)Are you "dumb, evil and stupid?"
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Don't try to take the steak, taters, and peas American meal and eat it without the steak.
You will want to shank someone.
Think about eating Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Italian, Mexican, and other cuisines where the meat isn't the star of the show.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I cook mostly American meals ala the Greens restaurant and Spanish and Italian. All three are withing my traditional palate and skill set (I love potatoes and beans). Though I love Asian food, and I can skillfully cook some dishes when I have specific instructions, I don't have the cultural background to wing a variety of great dishes with my regular ingredients on hand.
For instance, I love cannellini beans. I can caramelize onions and add crisped sauteed garlic. Mash some cannellini beans with sage. Steam some greens, poach an egg and toast a couple of slices of toasted french bread rubbed lightly with tomato paste and olive oil. Then, I can serve the toast topped by the mashed beans, top with onions, drizzle with olive oil and sprinkle with the crisped garlic. On the side, steamed greens with balsamic vinegar and a poached egg.
Or, if I have leftover rice, I make rice cakes (with eggs and sauteed mushrooms). I saute onions and garlic add a can of tomatoes with basil, bay leaf and cloves and stew. Then I add cannellini beans. Take off the heat and add bitter greens. Then I put the stewed tomatoes, beans,, etc., in a shallow bowl, put the rice cake in the center and add a dollop of pesto sauce. (I keep saran wrapped rolls of homemade pesto in the freezer and slice off chunks when I want to use it as seasoning.) My husband and daughter like to add sour cream on top.
Or, I thinly slice potatoes on my mandolin (or blade on my box grater) steam them for 5 minutes. Mix bread crumbs with some olive oil. Saute onions and garlic together. Saute thin sliced bell peppers (any color) separately. Soak sundried tomatoes (I dry dozens in the oven in the summer when tomatoes are the cheapest). Mash some cannellini beans with sage. Grate a bit of cheese or mix bread crumbs with olive oil or both. Whisk eggs with oregano and a bit of the dried tomato water. Layer potatoes on the bottom of a stove top and oven ready skillet. Add dollops of mashed beans. Pour eggs on top. Cover on medium low heat for about 5 minutes. Uncover, add sauteed onions and garlic, sauteed peppers and tomatoes on top. Add cheese on top if using. Cover, cook for 10 minutes. Turn on broiler, sprinkle bread crumbs if using. Put at least 8" under broiler until crumbs are brown.
All of these are great with a salad. Nuts and fruit make a great addition to any salad.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)lots of good veggie, vegan food. yum!
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)If the former, 1000 Vegan Recipes is a good place to start, if the latter, Becoming Vegan. I'm also a huge fan of The Joy of Vegan Baking, which explains a lot of the hows and whys of veganizing existing recipes.
vegweb.com is very helpful if you're looking for a veg version of some food you're craving.
orwell
(7,771 posts)...after working in a meat plant.
If you saw what went on in a meat processing plant you could never forget it...
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)and that is why I have been a vegetarian for the past 15 years.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)It's inexpensive, and includes some really good recipes along with the hows and whys.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)The protein combining information in the earlier editions is entirely outdated.
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WhollyHeretic
(4,074 posts)If you're looking for other recipes or ideas the Cooking group here has a number of vegetarians and vegans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1157
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)it just sucks
other that the lack of flavor soy is one of the most GM'd products on the market and if you're a guy
manboobs may be in your future as it has quite a bit of estrogen
as a source of protein I would try nuts and beans
just sayin
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)Though I am a vegetarian, I am not wild about tofu. I have tried cooking it many ways, but still cannot bring myself to like it.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)20+ year vegetarian/wanna be vegan here. Some of the Dean Ornish books get into the science behind the health benefits. As for recipes, I liked Linda McCartney's book, Lindsey Wagner has a nice vegan cookbook, Vegetarian Times magazine is good.
Dr. Andrew Weil has some good veg recipes here: http://www.drweil.com/drw/ecs/common/recipe.html
PETA has some recipes: http://www.peta.org/living/vegetarian-living/recipes/default.aspx
This is Veg Kitchen: http://www.vegkitchen.com/
TV shows:
http://delicioustv.com/
http://www.theppk.com/
http://www.everydaydish.tv/
http://www.pbs.org/food/shows/jazzy-vegetarian/
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)http://www.vegetariantimes.com/
I've been vegetarian/vegan since I was 16 (a long time now) and I use pretty much any recipe I want at this point and just make substitutions to make it animal-free. PS... one of the best meat-free mock meat companies, IMO, is Gardien. Also, I'm a big fan of Tofurky slices (like lunchmeat) and Field Roast makes some damn good "sausage" (Apple Sage is my fave). And if you haven't already, introduce yourself to Quinoa, it's a great protein and considered a super food.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)I know I'm not ready to make that jump, even though it is the ethical choice
Initech
(100,068 posts)Barely
(4 posts)If you're going the lacto-ovo route as I have, here are some things I wish people had told me at the start...
1. Get away from American food in general. It's not satisfying without meat. You'll be a very unhappy vegetarian eating this stuff.
2. Eat spicy foods. Mexican, indian, chinese, thai, etc.
3. If you have to eat fast food, stick to Burger King and Taco Bell. Burger King has a sandwich called the "BK Veggie" that is a Morningstar Farms meatless patty. Their fries don't contain beef flavoring and are cooked in separate oils from the meats. It's not great because they microwave your patty, but it's edible. Taco Bell has bean burritos, 1/2 lb cheesy bean & rice burritos, and seven layer burritos (ask for no sour cream, it has animal-based gelatin).
4. Fresh salsa is your friend. It's cheap to make a big container of it each weekend and has a ton of flavor. You can put it on almost anything, and it's very healthy.
5. A lot of recipes that require chicken or chicken broth can be reasonably faked using no-chicken broth. A good example is vegetable mai fun, an amazing chinese dish that normally uses chicken broth.
6. Keep a small notebook with which grocery stores in your area carry which products. Grocery shopping as a vegetarian can be tough in some areas. I shop at half a dozen stores weekly because I don't have a good one in my area. Kroger is the one around me with the best vegetarian selection, though.
7. Potatoes and beans often make a good substitute for beef, especially in mexican foods. Example: chopped onion, vegetarian refried beans, vegetarian chili, rotel tomatoes, cheese, a packet of taco seasoning, a handful of jalapeno slices, and some roasted potatoes all mixed together make a very nice burrito filling.
8. When using a meat substitute, google tips on cooking it. For example, the burger boxes don't tell you that the best way to cook them is actually in a toaster oven on the toaster setting!
9. Don't beat yourself up too badly for not being a Vegan or Fruititarian or whatever. I sleep just fine at night knowing that my impact is an order of magnitude less than what it was as a full-fledged meat-first American.
10. I can't stand tofu. I've tried tons of ways of preparing it, but it's always nasty. So...Some good products that make the change easier:
Bush's Vegetarian Baked Beans
Hormel Vegetarian Chili
SmartDeli Pepperoni
Morningstar Farms Bacon Strips
Morningstar Farms Prime Grillers
Morningstar Farms BBQ Riblets
Boca Spicy Chik'n Patties
Boca All American Flame Grilled Meatless Burgers
Boca Crumbles
Tombstone Veggie Pizza
Any product made by "Field Roast," if you can find a store that has them
For Boca products, the tan-colored packaging is for the stuff that contains soy NOT genetically modified. For the pepperoni, it's pretty important to stick to the SmartDeli brand and cook it UNDER the cheese if it's for a pizza. All of the sandwich patties on that list are really good with the same toppings Burger King puts on Whoppers. If cooked and spiced properly, Boca crumbles make spaghetti sauce better than it is with beef. I like to make it with spinach, zucchini, onions, and green peppers. The Morningstar Farms and Boca facebook pages occasionally post some nice recipes using their products, as well.
All in all, the change to lacto-ovo is not a tough one if you use meat substitutes. Veganism is considerably tougher, as you lose a ton of the finished heat-and-eat products that contain milk and eggs.