As Ben Carson bashes Obama, many blacks see a hero’s legacy fade

[Warren Stupidity]

The black man courting crowds of white conservatives doesn’t seem like the same guy that H. Westley Phillips once idolized. Phillips still relishes the day he heard Ben Carson inspire minority students at Yale University with his story of persistence. He can still feel the nervous anticipation he had while waiting in line to shake Carson’s hand.
...
In the ensuing months and years, Carson’s attacks grew sharper — deriding Obama’s signature health-care law as the “worst thing to have happened in this nation since slavery” and, in the pages of GQ, likening Obama to a “psychopath.” Carson’s 2014 book, “One Nation,” assails a decline of moral values in America and its government.

As Carson prepares to announce his candidacy for president on Monday in his home town of Detroit, his political base is now whiter and more rural.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-ben-carson-bashes-obama-many-blacks-see-a-heros-legacy-fade/2015/05/02/b9ce53c8-e850-11e4-9767-6276fc9b0ada_story.html

And yet even here on DU this rightwing nutjob is hailed as a lovable hero.

[Vinca]

1. I've never seen adoring posts on DU about this character.

He is a mystery, though. Someone suggested half surgical savant, half nutball.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Well now that you asked

Here he is described as "lovable".

[Capt. Obvious]

10. Wow

[giftedgirl77]

18. wow & the comments from the alert suck.

[demmiblue]

56. I find that really, really disturbing. n/t

[Flying Squirrel]

75. Why do i keep taking that guy off ignore?

[Jamastiene]

76. Dayum.

I have had those two people on my ignore list so long I forgot they even existed. Now I see one of them has been comparing gay marriage to bestiality, incest and who knows what else and the other is calling a virulent homophobic Republican "lovable." Dayum.

[Sherman A1]

2. Dr. Carson is entitled to his opinion on issues

I suspect that I would disagree with many of them, but he is still entitled to his opinions.

[trumad]

15. Carson is a Goat Fucker

my opinion.

[Sheldon Cooper]

31. ...

[Omar4Dems]

42. You have NO right to say that until you provide PROOF

that he isn't.

[hifiguy]

50. . . .

[Sherman A1]

58. I like these threads

they really showcase civility.

[trumad]

64. you won't me to be civil to Ben Carson?

[Sherman A1]

65. Why not?

Disagree certainly, but name calling adds just what to the debate?

[trumad]

67. Oh fuck that goat fucking asshole.

“Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight — and when they come out, they’re gay. So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question.”

About a Woman's right to choose:
“There comes a time when people with values simply have to stand up. Think about Nazi Germany. Most of those people did not believe in what Hitler was doing. But did they speak up? Did they stand up for what they believe in? They did not, and you saw what happened.”

Victim blaming:
“Let’s not all jump on the bandwagon of demonizing this guy. He obviously has some real problems. And his wife obviously knows that because she subsequently married him. So they both need some help”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2072779/ben-carson-politically-incorrect-or-raving-lunatic-six-quotes-proving-dr-carson-is-a-crazy-person/#QATvIWC67uG9FysP.99

CIVIL---PLEASE!

[beam me up scottie]

68. +1,000,000

[kdmorris]

69. This ^^^

Why the fuck would I be civil about this insane goat fucker????

This guy is absolutely heinous. I refuse to be civil to him or about him. He has nothing of value to be civil about and I think it says a lot more about the people that think we should just "disagree" with him than it does about those of us that call him a piece of shit.


I don't give a rat's ass if he was a neurosurgeon. I don't give a flying fuck if they did make a "lovely movie" about him that will make us all feel positive about him and shed a tear.

He is a goat fucker, an waste of a human being who would says the worst stuff about LBGT and women.

Fuck that... I will not be civil about him.

[Sherman A1]

70. Yes,

Civil Please.

And Ignore, Yes.....

[LanternWaste]

47. Is anyone contending the good Dr. is not in fact, entitled to his opinions?

Is anyone contending the good Dr. is not in fact, entitled to his opinions?

[Liberal_in_LA]

57. no

[dballance]

53. Yes he is. And he is entitled to ridicule for his opinions. /nt

[Sherman A1]

60. In your opinion

n/t

[dballance]

71. Yep. My opinion is like assholes. Every one has one and they all stink. /nt

[Sherman A1]

72. This is why I like threads

like this one....

[dballance]

74. Me too!

[beam me up scottie]

54. Ben Carson compared gays to pedophiles and "people who believe in bestiality" .

Back in April 2013, Carson stepped down as commencement speaker for Johns Hopkins University's School of Medicine after making some gay marriage comments that sparked outrage from students and faculty.

"It’s a well-established, fundamental pillar of society, and no group, be they gays, be they NAMBLA, be they people who believe in bestiality -- it doesn’t matter what they are -- they don’t get to change the definition," he said in a Fox News appearance at the time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/ben-carson-cpac-speech_n_4899410.html

You "suspect" you would disagree?

Surely you're not defending this homophobic piece of shit on DU.

[Sherman A1]

59. No,

I did not defend him. I was very clear in my use of words.

However, please feel free to add anything you would like as it appears you have already decided what I was saying in my post.

[beam me up scottie]

61. No, we're good.

That's why I posted the info and asked for clarification.

[Sherman A1]

63. Well,

"No, we're good."

Not, terribly sure of that....

[beam me up scottie]

66. We are right now.

Unless you want to spank me for saying nasty things about the good doctor.

I despise homophobes like him who use their celebrity status as an excuse to promote hatred of lgbt people.

Do you disagree with my opinion of him?

[a la izquierda]

80. Thank you!

Beat me to it.
I don't have to tolerate homophobes.

[beam me up scottie]

86. Oh, you're very welcome.

Our "intolerance" of homophobic bigots doesn't include lobbying for them to be denied their human rights.

Call them all the names you like, I'm not going to shed any tears.

[Gothmog]

3. Carson is a nut case

[merrily]

5. "And yet even here on DU this rightwing nutjob is hailed as a lovable hero." Links, please.

[FSogol]

7. Exactly. That statement seems pretty far-fetched.

[jamzrockz]

9. My guess is

some post some where at some time in the history of DU, some member described him as a loveable hero. I can't remember reading anything positive or negative about Dr. Carson on DU

[merrily]

12. I remember negative posts about him, no positive ones.

[Capt. Obvious]

13. 3 days ago

[Warren Stupidity]

21. wait "lovable" is not positive?

[beam me up scottie]

62. "lovable hero"

Don't forget it's "irrational" to not want him to operate on your kid.

[leftynyc]

14. Post #4

which was posted before you asked for the link by the way, has a link directly to the post. It's sickening, but it's true. And it was posted by no newbie.

[merrily]

16. ONE post means he's hailed at DU?

[leftynyc]

19. The post was alerted on

and I think by 7-0 was let stand. So it wasn't just one person who saw the worthiness of the thread.

[merrily]

20. It's still one post and that does not equal being hailed at DU.

The jury bases its decisions on whether TOS are violated, not on whether they agree with the post.

[hfojvt]

41. the OP was alerted on

the comment about "loveable" was about the MOVIE.

Basically it just says that - the movie portrays him as loveable, heroic, etc.

The OP was just "five facts about Ben Carson" - presumably just informational, and NOT "why I support Carson for President".

Granted in the war zone, drinking the haterade, some people cannot seem to tell the difference.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. It wasn't one post. And yes hailed as a medical hero.

[merrily]

24. If he was not a good doctor, that would have been wrong.

And, I'd have to see context.

If you have a beef with a post, taking up on the thread where it occurred with the poster who actually made seems far preferable.

[Jamastiene]

77. Actually there are two different posters hailing him as great in that thread. n/t

[ScreamingMeemie]

17. "it's really hard not to love him after seeing it." is the actual quote. Not "lovable hero."

Yes, words were twisted to fit a narrative here (I know, you're shocked).

Nowhere does the poster claim he is a "hero." The poster responded with a first reaction after seeing a movie. This does not a supporter make.

I happen to think Carson is being used by the GOP and he's a clueless idiot in case someone is tempted to twist this response somewhere down the line.

[mercuryblues]

25. That comment

was in response to a movie about his pediatric neurosurgical career, where he saved lives. Not his shitty political and social agenda, where he seeks to destroy lives.

If his life was a soap opera I would say this is the good twin/evil twin plot line.

[merrily]

28. Please see my reply 24.

My problem is with the claim that he's hailed on DU, not with calling him a good doctor, if he is (and my recollection from when I first read his wiki some months ago is that his medical record was portrayed as a good one.)

[still_one]

6. If it is a story of someone bashing the President, leave in to the Washington Post to be on board.

The headline is bullshit, and so is the Washington Post.

[merrily]

8. Carson and Fiorina are in clown car for a reason. Or, should I say, two reasons.

[still_one]

11. yup, Carson and Florina, a match made in heaven, or should I say more like hell

[Warren Stupidity]

23. The headline is not bullshit.

Ben Carson is out and around bashing Obama and losing whatever support he had in the black community as he gears up for a run for president. He was in fact held up for a long time as a hero, a role model for disadvantaged african american youth. He is now becoming a pariah because of his increasingly outspoken rightwing nuttery.

A headline is bullshit if it cannot be substantiated by the facts presented in the article. This is not the case for this headline.

[Capt. Obvious]

27. I assumed

that that poster leaped into defend Obama mode not realizing the headline was referring to Carson.

[still_one]

30. It is bullshit. Cornell West maybe, but not Carson. In addition, the polls

contradict that African Americans do not support Obama

In 2011 WP spewed the same garbage, taken right from the pages of Breitbart, of corse it wasn't Carson at the time, they blamed it on someone else

I wonder how many African Americans embrace his view that the ACA "is the worst thing since slavery"?

I suspect very little, and the last elections counterdict Mr Carson's influence among African Americans

[Capt. Obvious]

32. I was correct in my assessment.

[still_one]

33. I knew it was about Carson, and I wasn't leaping to defend Obama, as much as the premise that Carson

has great influence in the African American community. Carsons's views on Ferguson, Baltimore, and so many other issues, just fly contrary to logic

[Capt. Obvious]

35. Got it. You're still in defend mode.

The headline is poorly worded, so I can see the gut reaction.

[still_one]

37. You are right, I am sooooooo messed up. I am a total idiot. I sure read it the wrong way. I don't

why I thought it was saying that Carson was causing African American support to diminish from Obama, when it was saying Carson had been on a pedestal, and had lost it.

I really appreciate the clarification, and setting me straight. Thanks

[Capt. Obvious]

38. No problem.

Don't say I never did anything for you.

[still_one]

40. I owe you

[still_one]

39. You are right Warren, as someone pointed out, I misread it. I guess I need to focus more on my lack

of comprehension skills

Thanks

[Warren Stupidity]

48. no problem. This has been an astounding week here on DU

and at this point the impetus to assume the worst is very, very strong.

[qwlauren35]

26. I used to have so much respect for him.

There are a lot of conservative African-Americans who are pro-life and don't support gay marriage. I accept this as part of their evangelical heritage. But Carson goes too far.

It's unforgivable.

[Bluenorthwest]

51. Bigotry is not anyone's heritage, and if you don't offer that same warm fuzzy to white evangelicals

then it's really just patronizing, isn't it? I don't accept that racism is part of anyone's heritage although many strongly insist that it is. Do you?

[onecaliberal]

29. He's a republican and sadly what more do you need to say about him.

Their entire platform revolves around hate, bigotry, control, money and power. There is nothing good from those people. Nothing!

[City Lights]

34. Please link me to the posts where DU hails him as a lovable hero.

I missed those.

[truebrit71]

44. See post #4

I believe that contains the link.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Dr. Carson is proof that you can be stellar in one field and awful in another./NT

[Omar4Dems]

45. Not to worry

He's from Detroit? Let's see him try to win even a school board seat. He'd get maybe 5% of the vote.
That guy is not going to win anything, except maybe a commentator position on Fox News.

[Orsino]

46. Carson's old "I got mine" message probably was inspiring.

His new "fuck you and yours" isn't.

[LiberalAndProud]

49. Warren, when will you ever learn?

You forgot the ever-important qualifier. SOME here on DU hail him as a lovable hero. There, I fixed it for you.

Well, maybe it's really only one.

[pnwmom]

52. I think he is a very dangerous right-wing nut job who could be the next Repub nominee. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

55. A hateful homophobic Republican doctor who doesn't believe in evolution?

What's not to love?

[Jamastiene]

78. Perfect.

Those "it's just one post" posts in this thread remind me of other posts I've read on DU years ago. It is obvious they didn't read what the other poster had to say in that thread or see the hamster posts by that other poster either. Do some people on DU read this place with blinders on or what? They must.

[beam me up scottie]

85. They see what they want to see.

Free speech advocates get accused of "cheering" Geller while homophobia get a pass.

I haven't seen anyone supporting Geller's message but I have seen plenty of people willing to excuse bigots who compare same sex marriage to pedophilia and bestiality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. I have yet to see adoring posts of Dr. Carson here

but perhaps you could point me to them. Mind you, I have not followed this place, nor care to follow it in detail, closely. But as a reporter, this is actually of interest. LIBERALS LOVE CARSON.. more at 11... yup, there is a story in there.

[Jamastiene]

79. There is a link in Post #4 in this thread to at least two people doing just that.

Here you go:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026634313#post4

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. We obviously have different definitions

Of the term I s'pose.

[Jamastiene]

83. Obviously.

I certainly would find him hard to love, especially considering he hates gay people as much as he does. He doesn't deserve that kind of praise.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. Well if you think I intend to vote for him

By stating that we have different definitions after that link, I s'pose we all need jumping to conclusions in the morning.

Suffice it to say arguing over the merits or lack off from a movie, and how he was portrayed in the movie is far from love.

[True Blue Door]

82. Is this the prick who BRAGS that he's not a scientist?