Bin Laden report 'full of lies,' says former SEAL

[babylonsister]

Bin Laden report 'full of lies,' says former SEAL
By Ben Kamisar - 05/11/15 04:53 PM EDT


The former Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden is slamming a new report that challenges the White House’s account of the mission, calling it “garbage.”

“The story that I read, the part from {Seymour} Hersh, was full of lies,” Rob O’Neill said on Fox News' "Shepard Smith Reporting."

“It took me a long time to read it because I had to put it down — I couldn’t read the nonsense.”

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O’Neill specifically criticized Hersh’s assertion that Pakistani officials were part of the mission to kill the al Qaeda leader and that there was no resistance.

"Well I’m sure that my friends who got shot at and almost took a few bullets to the face through the doors would disagree with them there and be insulted," O'Neill said.

“I saw Osama bin Laden standing on two feet, there was no ISI up there. I shot him in the head twice and then I shot him again in the face while he was on the ground. “

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http://thehill.com/policy/defense/241661-bin-laden-report-full-of-lies-says-former-navy-seal

[Cooley Hurd]

1. If true (and it's increasingly looking like it is), I'm saddened by Hersh's downfall...

It reminds me of Pierre Salinger's last years.

[okaawhatever]

13. He apparently got fired by the New Yorker. They wouldn't publish this and the editor

said something like "I wish him well". I think Hersh may be getting a little tin foilish.

[Xipe Totec]

2. I shot him again in the face while he was on the ground...

For some reason he seems proud of this.

[el_bryanto]

4. He's a soldier

And it's not like Osama bin Ladin was an innocent bystander.

Bryant

[samsingh]

14. as he should be.

[Xipe Totec]

18. Proud of shooting somebody in the face, while on the ground, with bullet wounds to the head?

Yikes!

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

27. Murikans

[samsingh]

40. osama bin laden - murderer of how many people?

[Terra Alta]

16. I would be proud, too.

Osama bin Laden was no choir boy.

[Xipe Totec]

19. Yea. That excuses shooting a cadaver for sport. nt

[Terra Alta]

21. I'm not going to shed any tears over bin Laden's corpse being shot. nt

[Xipe Totec]

23. Why stop there?

Why not gut him with a deer knife and play jump rope with his intestines?

Better yet, find his children and shoot them because, you know, Bin Laden.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

29. "for sport"?

[Xipe Totec]

31. Yes, for sport. Unless he feared a zombie OBL with gaping head wounds would rise from the ground

and attack him to eat his brains.

Or what passes for brains.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

32. Is that what your training and vast field experience tells you?

[davekriss]

35. Remember how Romero's Night of the Living Dead ends?

"You gotta destroy the brains!"

[cherokeeprogressive]

38. I thought it ended with good ol' boys shooting a healthy black man through a window. n/t

[davekriss]

39. "That's another one for the fire"

Picky, picky!

Just prior to that a newscaster announces:

The survival command center
at the Pentagon
has disclosed
that a ghoul can be killed
by a shot in the head
or a heavy blow to the skull.
Officials are quoted as explaining
that since the brain of a ghoul has
been activated by the radiation,
the plan is, kill the brain
and you kill the ghoul.

http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=night-of-the-living-dead

In any case, we're being too ghoulish over this! I'll stop now...

[babylonsister]

34. Mountains and molehills. So what?

He was a really bad man who had been hunted for years. I'm glad he's out of here.

[samsingh]

41. you should go and watch the videos of the poor people jumping out of the world trade center

who were brutully murdered by bin laden - the horrible monster.

[MohRokTah]

3. Hersh has gone down the tinfoil highway.

SMH

[Thinkingabout]

5. I was chalenged this morning and accused of believing everything put out as

Official details but I like to give the story to prove its self true or false. It sounded a far fetched tail and I know the SEALs are not supposed to give the details.

[tularetom]

6. Appears to me like this guy has a book to sell and the Hersh story doesn't suit his narrative

I have my doubts about the Hersh account too, but these objections sound more than a bit self serving, coming as they do from somebody who doesn't seem to have a lot of credibility on the matter himself.

Not near as macho to go in there with a shitload of Pakistani troops and shoot somebody who isn't armed. That wouldn't make much of a movie script.

[Human101948]

7. And a Navy Seal would have a very, very limited view of the operation...

with absolutely no access to intelligence, policy decisions, or the thoughts of the people who made the decision to authorize the operation.

[hifiguy]

10. First thing I thought.

A boots-on-the-ground grunt would know absolutely nothing about who knew what at the highest levels.

[geek tragedy]

25. Neither does Hersh. nt

[delrem]

8. Immediately on hearing that the US disposed of Bin Laden's body

I knew that I couldn't trust ANYTHING that I was hearing from official US sources.

Of course official US sources have been the ONLY sources for a long time, and it's been a total propaganda coup.

Anyhow, the world has moved on. Now I'm reading about how the US is calling for a "diplomatic" end to the Syrian war, while funding arming training "moderate terrorists" or whatever they're called, whose aim is to fight ISIS *and* to implement regime change (coup) in Syria. While the US's coalition partners are warring in Yemen, which coincidentally now has a huge al qaeda / IS controlled territory, which is protected.

Uh huh.

[Maedhros]

9. So, the argument is that Hersh is fabricating this story because he craves the limelight,

but this Navy SEAL with a book to sell is telling the truth?

Not a compelling argument.

[EX500rider]

12. No, the argument is that a first person eyewitness might know more then a 20y retired Pakistani.

• Unreliable sources. Much of Hersh's article is based on the claims of unnamed intelligence officials in the US and Pakistan, none of whom were directly involved in the operation. The only named source, Asad Durrani, served in the Pakistani military intelligence more than two decades ago and says only that "former colleagues" of his back up Hersh's claims. Durrani was later contacted by CNN's Bergen, and he would only say that Hersh's account was "plausible".

• Contradictory claims. Hersh disregards the fact that two of the Navy Seals involved in the attack on Bin Laden's compound have come out with details of the raid that directly contradict his account. Bergen, who visited the compound after the operation, writes that there was clear evidence of a protracted fire fight, as the location was "littered almost everywhere with broken glass and several areas of it were sprayed with bullet holes".

• Unrealistic conclusions. Why would the Saudis support a man who wanted to overthrow the Saudi monarchy? Why, if US support for Pakistan was part of the bargain, did US-Pakistani relations deteriorate in the years after the raid? If the US and Pakistan were co-operating, was a staged raid really the simplest possible way to ensure that Bin Laden was killed?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32698016

[geek tragedy]

24. No, the argument is this guy has firsthand knowledge

that neither Hersh nor his dubious source have.

[GeorgeGist]

11. You mean the Seal who lied about shooting bin laden?

[SidDithers]

15. DU rec...nt

Sid

[Rex]

17. Yeah I kinda figured it was BS to sell books. A totally clean operation, yet someone in the WH

had to 'cowboy' it up out of fear of...what exactly? Don't think so. Not buying it.

[OregonBlue]

20. I think Hersch has been had. The account is not believable. Possible yes but not believable.

[951-Riverside]

22. Sy Hersh's source is probably Alex Jones

Jones bragged about Sy Hersh emailing him not too long ago.

You done fucked up Sy

[CrawlingChaos]

26. Hersh has an impeccable reputation

I have no reason to believe the SEAL with a book to sell.

But we can't have official accounts questioned so I'm sure we'll see lots of posts about the "sad downfall" of Sy Hersh.

Same shit, different day.

[stevenleser]

42. You mean the person who was actually there = less believable than the journalist who was 10000 miles

away and whose sources weren't there at the scene either?

[CrawlingChaos]

44. Yes. I know a lot about Hersh, I know nothing about the SEAL guy

Except that he's selling something.

I also know that governments usually lie about this stuff (*gasp*). Especially a big media event with high propaganda value like the killing of Bin Laden.

Hersh, on the other hand, is known to be meticulous in his work, because he knows he's going to rattle the cage of powerful people and be challenged on everything. That's the way investigative journalism is supposed to work. As opposed to simply retyping White House press releases, which is what some people here seem to think it should be limited to.

(edited for typo)

[stevenleser]

46. That you don't see the obvious problem with that is very sad. Nt

[CrawlingChaos]

47. ooh, good one

Devastating takedown.

You should probably do a mic drop.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

28. K&R!

Sy Hersh isn't what he used to be. There's a reason he was removed from The New Yorker.

[leveymg]

30. They're all admitting now the initial WH version was a bunch of Bullshit.

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The 2 hour firefight and the no way to capture UBL after he used one of his wives as a shield version.

As for whether Usama was a fugitive or a prisoner in Abattobad, that is still very much unanswered.

[Jesus Malverde]

33. Did he mention...

The house was 100 yards from the gate of the Kakul Military Academy, an army run institution where top officers train. A Pakistan intelligence official said the property where bin Laden was staying was 3,000 square feet.

An American administration official said the compound was built in 2005 at the end of a narrow dirt road with "extraordinary" security measures. He said it had 12 to 18-feet walls topped with barbed wire with two security gates and no telephone or Internet service connected to it.

Critics have long accused elements of Pakistan's security establishment of protecting bin Laden, though Islamabad has always denied this. Ties between the United States and Pakistan have hit a low point in recent months over the future of Afghanistan, and any hint of possible Pakistani collusion with bin Laden could hit them hard even amid the jubilation of getting American's No. 1 enemy.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/national_world/2011/05/02/bin-ladens-hideout-located-near-pakistans-military-academy.html

[Mojorabbit]

37. +1000 nt

[Bonobo]

36. A SEAL would kill for his country.

But no! He would never lie for it, God forbid.

[CrawlingChaos]

45. They are noble beings incapable of deception

And the White House would never lie to us.

Failing to acknowledge this means one has "lost it" and entered a "sad decline", like poor Sy Hersh.

[cherokeeprogressive]

43. Remind me how this guy was looked upon here when he first claimed to be Bin Laden's executioner.

[Cha]

48. Hersh's story is full of bullshit. 'Course anyone calling the President

"a liar" will have many start salivating and believe it.

US raid that killed bin Laden was 'an act of war', says Pakistani report

:The commission's report - leaked by Al Jazeera on Monday - denounced the US action as the "greatest humiliation" suffered by Pakistan since 1971, when East Pakistan seceded to form Bangladesh.

US officials have justified the decision to keep Pakistan in the dark by suggesting there was a risk that the target might be tipped off. In an October presidential debate, President Barack Obama put it bluntly: "If we had asked Pakistan (for) permission, we would not have gotten him."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/10169655/US-raid-that-killed-bin-Laden-was-an-act-of-war-says-Pakistani-report.html

Pakistani anger lingers a year after raid killed bin Laden

LAHORE, Pakistan – A year after Osama bin Laden's death, there is still anger among Pakistanis over the secret raid carried out by Navy SEALs on a compound near here. And some don't believe he's dead.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-05-01/osama-bin-laden-pakistan-raid/54662824/1