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I thought I would google Jade Helm 15 and came across this article from William M. Arkin. I thought it would be interesting to see what others here think about it. I've already been abducted by the Grays so if I could survive that ordeal I bet I can take whatever DU has to dish out
You Should Be Angry About Jade Helm Even If You're Not Crazy
The bullet holes punched into the center mass of this pistol-packing suburban soccer mom werent fired by ISIS terrorists preparing for a shopping-mall assault, or by local cops training against an active shooter at the local school. They were fired by a Marine during special operations realistic military training, or RMT, in Gulfport, Mississippi.
The training was called Raven 15-03, and took place at locations across the Gulf Coast of United States in February in order to give the 3rd Marine Special Operations Battalion a chance to practice helicopter-borne and vessel-borne insertion, breaching techniques, fast-roping, and close-quarters battle techniques in populated environments, according to a Marine Corps press release. The release didnt address the details of the realistic scenario dreamed up by the Marine Special Operations Command that involved gunning down a married civilian woman with a recent manicure.
Realistic military training in which military forces leave their bases and practice how to kill people out in the real world are a relatively recent phenomenon. One such exercise of this group, Jade Helm, has been seized on recently by right-wing paranoids who suspect that Barack Obama is using it to rehearse an invasion of Texas. But heres the thing: Theyre not altogether wrong.
http://phasezero.gawker.com/you-should-be-angry-about-jade-helm-even-if-youre-not-c-1704140447
Go ahead I'm ready for ya
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)that almost all the training the Nat'l Guard is receiving these days is oriented around domestic crowd control. His source is a guy he knows in the Guard. He says this is true even of those deploying for overseas duty.
Make of it what you will. I remain agnostic.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)I thought this must satire and needed DU to help me decide if it is real. Ya know the foil plays havoc with my brain at times and need help to figure out things here and there
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,164 posts)The mantra was- "minimum force" The tactics taught were to 1st attempt to divide the crowds so that they would naturally lose energy. When I see the police in confrontations with protesters it looks to me like they have never received and real training and just rely upon looking mean. I get the sense that they are all about escalating the situation by provocation.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Heading the contingency riot control squad was one of 36 "additional duties" (like "Postal Officer" and "Mess Officer" that I was assigned while serving as Executive Officer of the Special Troops Company at Ft. Jackson, SC.
The scary thing was that we had no civil riot control training. All of our training had been for Infantry combat in Vietnam.
We were on red alert to deploy to Chicago, but in the end they didn't send us.
TexasProgresive
(12,164 posts)especially if you think about how the guard responded at Kent. Evidently the PTB took a hard look and came up with training.
think
(11,641 posts)Soccer mom as a target is really uncool.....
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Soccer moms can be annoying but we don't need to shoot them.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)This is not a new thing.
Make sure the shiny side of the tin foil is on the outside and not (I repeat, not) on the inside.
Or is that the other way around? hmmm
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)my bad......... no wonder I'm a mess
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)the outside layer with the shiny side out to deflect incoming thought control beams, and the inner layer with the shiny side in, which keeps your thoughts from escaping th confines of the hat & being read.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)You are not building a thought control shield... you are building a thought control ANTENNA!
http://www.arrl.org/arrl-antenna-book
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)I'm having these paranoid thoughts because I really don't understand what's going on around me any more. I keep thinking there's some sinister worldwide collusion to steal everyone's wealth and leave them choking in the hot dust of a barren, ruined planet.
msongs
(67,478 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)I'm already so confused and you are not helping things at all
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Seems to me that the more realistic the training, the better the training.
"are a relatively recent phenomenon..." Inaccurate.
This isn't recent (unless we're talking the breadth of human history); in 1940 and 1941, the US army used a huge swath of the LA-TX coastline to evaluate U.S. training, logistics, doctrine, and commanders, used 400,000 troops divided into two fictitious armies during an exercise to evaluate invasion tactics.
(not so much tin-foil as merely allowing the wish to become father of an thought-- a logical fallacy to be avoided should one desire to think rationally)
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)there on Jade Helm I found this one to be interesting and worth posting.
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UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)like anything, I just posted an article by a former soldier. Some soldiers frag other soldiers, some of the National Guard killed students/protesters at Kent State and during the riots in Newark NJ in 1967. There is good and bad in all walks of life not everything is cut and dry.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)never mind the credibility of the source.
Ok, the article makes it sound like the U.S. military actually killed a soccer mom.
Whatever. It's alarmist conspiracy theorizing nonsense.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)the NG, and even the Army, have fired on protesting American civilians? Check out the history of the labor movement.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)this is not real, this and using soccer moms as targets. IMO the only reason to use such targets is to desensitize the Marines so when they have such a target in their sights they will not hesitate and follow through. What other purpose does it serve?
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UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)and he has harassed, slandered and made life for my windowed mother and I much harder than it need be. Are all Marines like this man, of course not, but as I said there are all types of people in every profession, some good some bad.
http://www.people.com/article/husband-shoots-wife-doctors-office
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pa-ex-marine-killed-ex-wife-family-poisoned-article-1.2055560
http://www.wcti12.com/news/police-investigating-fatal-shooting-in-richlands/26939370
I judge people as individuals, not on what they wear to work. I also observe the way they treat others, especially those who many feel might not deserve respect due to their unfortunate standing in life. I start off with respect to the individual, if that respect is not returned or has been soured I retract that respect. It is that simple.
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UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)and his son served in Iraq even though at first he did not want to join. This is not saying that your brother is like or that all and other Marines are the same.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If military forces are intended to be deployed within the United States for law enforcement purposes?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,405 posts)come from? The article is about "drills held in preparation for upcoming deployments to different parts of the world".
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FSogol
(45,579 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,405 posts)rather than men pointing handguns at you. Does the writer think that there will never be a woman terrorist?
"gunning down a married civilian woman with a recent manicure"
This is one of the most asinine articles I've seen posted on DU.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I think the concern lies with military forces potentially being deployed against U.S. citizens.
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's a nice reminder for those wondering about the dangers that lurk below the surface:
Ollie North, BFEE, had plans to round up protesters - REX 84
Here's Brendan Sullivan helping keep Ollie the Traitor from soiling his britches when U.S. Representative Jack Brooks (D-Texas) asked him about it during the joint Iran-Contra hearings. Brooks was told by Senator Dan Inouye (D-Hawai'i) to STFU:
News from Post-Constitutional America
PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 1996 - The issue arose again during the Iran-Contra affair, but even in the wake of all the copy on that scandal, the public got little sense of how far some America's soldiers of fortune were willing to go to achieve their ends. When the Iran-Contra hearings came close to the matter, chair Senator Inouye backed swiftly away. Here is an excerpt from those hearings. Oliver North is at the witness table:
REP BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for the continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?
BRENDAN SULLIVAN: Mr. Chairman?
SEN INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so may I request that you not touch on that.
REP BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mr. Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.
SEN INOUYE; May I most respectfully request that that matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session
With few exceptions, the media ignored what well could be the most startling revelation to have come out of the Iran/Contra affair, namely that high officials of the US government were planning a possible military/civilian coup. First among the exceptions was the Miami Herald, which on July 5, 1987, ran the story to which Jack Brooks referred. The article, by Alfonzo Chardy, revealed Oliver North's involvement in plans for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to take over federal, state and local functions during an ill-defined national emergency.
According to Chardy, the plan called for 'suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to the Federal Management Agency, emergency appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and declaration of martial law.' The proposal appears to have forgotten that Congress, legislatures and the judiciary even existed.
CONTINUED...
http://prorev.com/coup.htm
Both great Democrats have since passed. I'm old, though, and remember seeing it as it happened on live tee vee. Things have only gotten worse.
As for those ignoring the iceberg ahead: After the ship hits, they're easy to spot. They're the first ones in the lifeboats.
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)reply. I question most things and I never accept what is being said until I research the subject and form my own opinion. It gets me in trouble at times but I rather be true to my feelings than go along with the tribe.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I agree too: Thinking for yourself makes for good policy.
Forgot to mention above: REX-84 stood for READINESS EXERCISE 1984, one in a series of Military-Civilian operations involving the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The idea was to round up "illegal immigrants" escaping civil wars in Central America, meaning US anti-war protesters. When the thing went public -- thanks to Jack Brook's questions based on a Miami Herald reporter's findings -- people paid attention. The story's devolved over the decades to where the disinformation outweighs what matters. Bill Moyers referred to it in his "Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis" documentary.
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)Or what else is documented? Like what Sen. Frank Church warned us about in 1975. The Democrat was a patriot, a hero and a statesman, truly a great American.
Frank Church also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about:
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, of course, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy:
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
From GWU's National Security Archives:
"Disreputable if Not Outright Illegal": The National Security Agency versus Martin Luther King, Muhammad Ali, Art Buchwald, Frank Church, et al.
Newly Declassified History Divulges Names of Prominent Americans Targeted by NSA during Vietnam Era
Declassification Decision by Interagency Panel Releases New Information on the Berlin Crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Panama Canal Negotiations
National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 441
Posted September 25, 2013
Originally Posted - November 14, 2008
Edited by Matthew M. Aid and William Burr
Washington, D.C., September 25, 2013 During the height of the Vietnam War protest movements in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the National Security Agency tapped the overseas communications of selected prominent Americans, most of whom were critics of the war, according to a recently declassified NSA history. For years those names on the NSA's watch list were secret, but thanks to the decision of an interagency panel, in response to an appeal by the National Security Archive, the NSA has released them for the first time. The names of the NSA's targets are eye-popping. Civil rights leaders Dr. Martin Luther King and Whitney Young were on the watch list, as were the boxer Muhammad Ali, New York Times journalist Tom Wicker, and veteran Washington Post humor columnist Art Buchwald. Also startling is that the NSA was tasked with monitoring the overseas telephone calls and cable traffic of two prominent members of Congress, Senators Frank Church (D-Idaho) and Howard Baker (R-Tennessee).
SNIP...
Another NSA target was Senator Frank Church, who started out as a moderate Vietnam War critic. A member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee even before the Tonkin Gulf incident, Church worried about U.S. intervention in a "political war" that was militarily unwinnable. While Church voted for the Tonkin Gulf resolution, he later saw his vote as a grave error. In 1965, as Lyndon Johnson made decisions to escalate the war, Church argued that the United States was doing "too much," criticisms that one White House official said were "irresponsible." Church had been one of Johnson's Senate allies but the President was angry with Church and other Senate critics and later suggested that they were under Moscow's influence because of their meetings with Soviet diplomats. In the fall of 1967, Johnson declared that "the major threat we have is from the doves" and ordered FBI security checks on "individuals who wrote letters and telegrams critical of a speech he had recently delivered." In that political climate, it is not surprising that some government officials eventually nominated Church for the watch list.[10]
SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB441/
I wonder if Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-CT) also got the treatment from NSA?
I think that the report, to those who have studied it closely, has collapsed like a house of cards, and I think the people who read it in the long run future will see that. I frankly believe that we have shown that the [investigation of the] John F. Kennedy assassination was snuffed out before it even began, and that the fatal mistake the Warren Commission made was not to use its own investigators, but instead to rely on the CIA and FBI personnel, which played directly into the hands of senior intelligence officials who directed the cover-up. Senator Richard Schweiker on Face the Nation in 1976.
Lost to History NOT
Hope that's not too much of a reach, rjsquirrel.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)I believe it could've been done far away from urban areas.
The only thing it does is, make it seem normal for the population to operate there.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017265450