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(1,884 posts)Me too.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)That Amtrack was paid for by the Anerican Government. Who knew? Not sure if more money would have saved those travelers. Obviously it needs to be looked at and see if it needs more money. A small percentage of Americans use Amtrack which is why you don't hear a big backlash over the funding except on political sites.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)All major forms of transportation are subsidized by the government. Arguing that very few people use Amtrak is like arguing that very few people use that bridge in Minnesota the collapsed.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Infrastructure safe. Where's the governor of a state on infrastructure?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Most large-scale infrastructure is paid for either directly or indirectly by the federal government. Crumbling infrastructure is not a "state problem" it is a national one.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He signs all the budgets.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Are the responsibility of the federal government, not state.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Cheviteau
(383 posts)...to stay informed and keep up.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Surely the wealthiest nation on the planet can do better.
How many commuters can ride in a F-35?
How much cargo can be moved?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)a European or Japanese high-speed train. I took the TGV from de Gaulle to Lyon and back about 12 years ago. If a more civilized form of land transport has been invented I do not know what it is.
Leaning back in a huge seat watching the cows and vineyards fly by at 190 mph is a thoroughly relaxing experience.
abakan
(1,819 posts)The people we elect have a problem. Somehow we are not smart enough to get rid of them and their masters.
-none
(1,884 posts)The people we vote for are chosen for us, from a bought and paid for pool.
And when the "War for Profit" people buy our Congress and even appoint the department heads, it is no wonder our priorities will be screwed up.
You seem to be under the impression that our elections are on the up and up. They are not.
abakan
(1,819 posts)I know the game is rigged
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)This brings up the quintessential point:
Is America stronger by building itself into a stronger country?
Or is America only stronger because it keeps tearing down others?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)They like to thump their chest, wear team colors, and yell about how their team is the best and all the others are chumps.
Even when there is a dearth of stats to back up the claims, they'll keep hollering.
I guess that's nationalism, or tribalism.
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Gothmog
(145,179 posts)DFW
(54,370 posts)Just start a public clamor over how we could use trains to run down terrrrists and advocates of Sharia law, and watch how quickly Republicans get on board.
Have the idea percolate for a while on Fox and Frauds, and Congress might fall all over themselves to allocate funds to bring our rail system into the 20th century--maybe even, by the time 2099 rolls around, into the 21st century.
We'd still be 100 years behind the Europeans and the Asians, but that's better than the 150 years behind that we are now, and we'd still be ahead of the train infrastructure on the Maldives and Pitcairn Island.
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)toughie.
Oh my gosh-----------help me
I have sweat rolling down my brow ----------because I might be wrong
Let me try,
The F-35, the same aircraft that had a 3rd stage turbine blade crack because it was rubbing the blade against core turbine wall when the heat inside the core caused the turbine blade to expand the ceramic coating on the blade.
Because the tolerance measurements and the heat caused it to crack and grounded the entire flight program for flight operation prior to going over to the air show in England, and it only took a year to correct, causing more overruns .
And now the operational F-35B (Marines) squadron is not up to complete snuff, but to make it look good the bean counters, are saying they will fix the glitches when they arise, just so they can fly the A/C and say to the public it is operational.
They are over budget-----------must be great to have a single source supplier of engines -----Pratt and Whitney with a cost of around 85 million for each engine , since it is a single engine A/C.
The same aircraft F-35 system, that had to go back to the drawing board, because at one time the HUD (heads up display) was and had a issue during night time flying parameters with the night vision goggles incorporated in the helmet having a glare feedback unto the pilot face causing disorientation .
And the 360 degree face shield was incorrectly putting images on the face shield, because the instrument panels which were being fed to the HUD display was crowding the information and it had to much information for the pilot to digest the aircrafts operating parameters for situational awareness.
At a cost of overrun of around 900 million to correct, if I remember correctly, because they or I should say we the taxpayers had to change the developer and the manufacturer and use a system from another supplier, which drove up costs to correct this big problem, very big problem.
Then they had to redesign the flight decks for the STOVAL A/C, because the heat being generated when hovering to land on the deck was melting the flight decks and causing them to buckle, when they were landing in the Harrier mode configuration, so the flight decks had to be modified to have heat shield placed.
They (Lockheed) had to correct the arresting gear because they were not catching the first arresting wire at the flight station in Maryland because it would jump over the wire and was to short so the plane had to bolt and try again and fail, so they had to land like they were on land.
Just little things, no big deal in the right wing world of defense spending----------we got taxpayers funding a lemon
But we the tax payers have right wing ideologues spending 612 Billion more for the military industry complex and for the state of Texas.
The same state that wants to succeed from the U.S.
And then to compensate this costs, we have the same right wing libertarian hypocrites like Boehner and his band of congressman like Mica, going around that Amtrak is being run like Russia----
No jerk, its because you are running like it was Russia with your right wing cold war mentality, with your crew having people die on a rail system that was built in the 1970------------
Great priorities, saying, see government programs fail so we need to privatize the infrastructure .
They also have blood on there collective hands because you have a right wing ideologue, that wants to gut the funding for commerce / commuter traffic and have it privatize for greed.
Just like there right wing hypocrite Ronald Reagan and his rant of hypocrisy about government.
Then have Boehner walk up to a microphone and say that was a stupid question about the funding of Amtrak and how his agenda and the lack of funding and the deaths his right wing group have been causing, are the problem when they just passed a bill to fund defense and then turn right around and to gut Amtrak.
I just wonder which lobbyist gave him (Boehner) checks to hand out on the floor of congress that had blood on them to privatize Amtrak like the Richard Branson business model in Britain
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/truth-richard-branson-virgin-rail-profits
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)I work in the aviation industry and see the ramifications of what these hypocrites are trying to do to the FAA.
Its like all right wing libertarian thinking.
If is doesn't have or make a profit in the government sell to the lowest bidder in the private industry and then they, can sit back and get there corrupt payola with the scheme of making money off it and then pardon the expression screwing the public commons so that we can all be denied life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness based on there pure greed -------------it is just hypocritical
think
(11,641 posts)Both parties ignore the grandiose spending on our military weapons and wars while failing to maintain the basic infrastructure that our society depends on.
In business leaders like this would be fired. Americans should do the same with politicians.
Politicians are suppose to be public servants not corporate shills....
jalan48
(13,864 posts)'There's plenty of money to be made, by supplying the Army with tools of the trade."
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)it sickens me no end how much we neglect our infrastructure.
mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)in school some years ago, Repukian parents went ballistic...had a hell of a fight on my hands...I was politely asked not to use such comparisons in the future...so much for teaching the children...
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)that they do not consider infrastructure to be part of defense.
They only consider the gadgets that they need to make war as defense.
Even if this is so that they can sell the damn war machines, why the hell isn't the means to transport the freakin' things considered?
If it is not to sell the darn things, than infrastructure should be considered defense. Defense of natural disasters as well as manmade disasters. If you don't have a way to get people and resources in and out of an area, you cannot defend it.
That being said, infrastructure should be a VITAL part of defense.
Note that this comes from a logic that is different than mine.
My logic would be to cut defense by three quarters, and retool the war making factories into alternative power production companies, road-building companies, train building companies, and other companies that have more to do with domestic defense.
They did the opposite during WWII, they can do it again.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)TPTB are in the process of dismantling many vital aspects of our national defense including the steel industry. Maybe TPTB actually don't give a single fuck about this nation.
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maddiemom
(5,106 posts)I never thought of that, but if we pushed infrastructure maintenance and expansion from that perspective, millions more citizens would start worrying and put the pressure on our "leaders."
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)They have been militarized to defend TPTB against the people.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Please elaborate.
I hate when people make up these damn acronyms that are not standard.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Actually it's used often here.
packman
(16,296 posts)Bill Maher pointed out in his show that the plane is sensitive to lightning strikes which shuts down all its electronics.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)as long as they pay for a massive military to protect them.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, n2doc.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)I live in the Philadelphia area so this whole tragic mess has played out in our local news. On one of the local sites the right wing loons were going off about how Amtrak is another perfect example of a failed government operation. They were having a good old time until I pointed out that Amtrak exists because of failed capitalism. Gotta tell ya that was a lot of fun. The site got real quiet.
Public financing built the rail roads.
The capitalist then sucked up all the profit they could for as long as they could.
They ran the operation into the ground and we the public bailed them out. AMTRACK is the bail out.
Do you see the pattern here.
Capitalism is a lie that hides the successes of socialism.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)All it takes is to say, "We've got something new and cool" and all of the prior stuff that was new and cool is now considered to be junk.
Building our air force is a steady jobs program.
Gumboot
(531 posts)... known everywhere else as socialism.
I cringe every time I see photos of the boneyards. Thinking about those trillions of dollars that could have been used to build, create, educate, innovate, invest, etc.
But the right always labels such positive and essential things as socialism. Weird.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Instead, we're the #1 arms dealer.
I keep thinking about how we are the main holdout when it comes to things like land mines.
Lancero
(3,003 posts)They'd designed and built a carrier specifically to support these.
And... um... well see uh... The F35's engine exaust... kinda sorta... burnsthroughtheflightdeck.
I think they've since resolved this issue, though that's just one of a few dozen.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The Three Stooges?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)[font size=3] A developed country is not a place where the poor have cars, its where the rich use public transportation!
[font size=1] the citation is from the former Mayor of Bogota, Mr Enrique Penalosa, who seems to be a very wise man.[/font
tavernier
(12,388 posts)We transport food from the high school kitchen to the (across the highway) grade school and middle school. The van is so old that someone (me, usually) gets banged up daily. The transport point where we push the food carts off the van reminds me of the climb up to the old Blarney Castle in Ireland. I say a prayer each time that no one will be injured. Sadly one of the workers severed a tendon last fall. They gave her three weeks to recover.
But, hey, it pays ten bucks am hour, so I feel silly about complaining!!
Hotler
(11,421 posts)we take to the streets in protest the likes this country has never ever seen before. Maybe learn to throw rocks like the Palestinian's