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And the Iraqi army runs away from another fight Thursday. This is on (Original Post) applegrove May 2015 OP
Agreed Sherman A1 May 2015 #1
Iraq has not been a real country since....forever. SoCalDem May 2015 #2
But but but Jeb says it's Obama's fault malaise May 2015 #3
Don't forget a big part of this falls on Bush for his support of Al Maliki as prime minister and okaawhatever May 2015 #4

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
2. Iraq has not been a real country since....forever.
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:00 AM
May 2015

It has always been an amalgam, of sects who barely tolerate each other. "Countries" like this can only stay "peaceful" when they are ruled by a dictator/strongman..

When that guy dies or is ousted, all bets are off..

The military is HIS , and only fights for him (or for his successor if he's ousted in a military coup.)

When the country devolves, they scatter, because they were paid by the dictator.

No matter how good we think we are, we can never train an army to fight if they do not want to fight ...

A civil war is always the next step to figure out who the next dictator will be, and all the US treasury cannot prevent this from happening.. We can only put the lid on the pressure cooker for a while, but it's gonna blow...

malaise

(268,987 posts)
3. But but but Jeb says it's Obama's fault
Thu May 21, 2015, 05:42 AM
May 2015

Someone should ask him about being greeted as liberators.
Someone should also ask him who signed off on leaving Iraq in 2011?


In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] [1

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
4. Don't forget a big part of this falls on Bush for his support of Al Maliki as prime minister and
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:53 AM
May 2015

his refusal to address Iraq's internal political strife, specifically between the Shites & Sunnis. A heavy dose of blame also lies somewhere between the CIA & the Ambassador to Iraq.

From Wiki:

Hillary Clinton and Carl Levin were two of several U.S. politicians who called for him to be removed from office in 2007. Senator Clinton urged Iraq's parliament to select a "less divisive and more unifying figure" and implied she felt al-Maliki was too concerned about Iraq's Shiite majority and not enough with national reconciliation.


By the time the Republicans were on board with getting rid of al Maliki it was too late.

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