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Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
Thu May 21, 2015, 07:30 PM May 2015

Sheriff’s Office Claims Infant at Fault for SWAT Team Blowing His Face Apart with Grenade

Habersham County Sheriff, Joey Terrell, has allegedly given the most asinine defense about why a SWAT team blew a babies face off. The defense was allegedly used in a federal lawsuit on behalf of an infant hit with a grenade by SWAT during a botched raid in May of last year.


"The act of sleeping in a room about to be breached by a SWAT team constituted “criminal” conduct on the part of the infant. At the very least, the infant was fully liable for the nearly fatal injuries inflicted on him when Habersham County Sheriff’s Deputy Charles Long blindly heaved a flash-bang grenade – a “destructive device,” as described by the ATF, that when detonated burns at 2,000-3,500 degrees Fahrenheit – into the crib.




Merely by being in that room, Bou-Bou had assumed the risk of coming under attack by a SWAT team. By impeding the trajectory of that grenade, rather than fleeing from his crib, Bou-Bou failed to “avoid the consequences” of that attack.

In any case, Bou-Bou, along with his parents and his siblings, are fully and exclusively to blame for the injuries that nearly killed the child and left the family with more than one million dollars in medical bills. The SWAT team that invaded the home in Cornelia, Georgia on the basis of a bogus anonymous tip that a $50 drug transaction had occurred there is legally blameless.”




absolutely disgusting

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/#pecZPzBq6bydkUIp.99

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Sheriff’s Office Claims Infant at Fault for SWAT Team Blowing His Face Apart with Grenade (Original Post) Garion_55 May 2015 OP
absolutely disgusting Vincardog May 2015 #1
blaming the victim. isnt that what rapists do? Garion_55 May 2015 #7
Rapists and FASCISTS Vincardog May 2015 #13
+1! Enthusiast May 2015 #43
Murderers lark May 2015 #44
More like... ybbor May 2015 #26
most asinine defense I ever heard... chillfactor May 2015 #2
For clarity, those quotes come from a blogger, not the asshole sherrif arcane1 May 2015 #3
Right, those are quotes from the blogger not the actual defense. dgauss May 2015 #22
Thanks! They lost me at the upteenth "deny" and I didn't make it that far. arcane1 May 2015 #23
Kind of like... dgauss May 2015 #55
Not the Onion, then? bravenak May 2015 #4
It's Georgia Rolando May 2015 #5
Could be anywhere n2doc May 2015 #6
Pacific Gas and Electric sued the citizens of Burlingame Calif. truedelphi May 2015 #8
Jayzus H. Baldheaded Keerist. hifiguy May 2015 #9
Utter insanity. Disgraceful. AtomicKitten May 2015 #10
This is the price the parents are paying for being poor non-caucasians. lpbk2713 May 2015 #11
Just when I think I`ve heard it all...... democrank May 2015 #12
The only thing an infant can POSSIBLY be liable for is... MarianJack May 2015 #14
Meet Baby Bou Bou... WillyT May 2015 #15
I am not a violent man... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #27
Um... It... Invites A Lot Of Questions On How We Deal With... The Authorities... WillyT May 2015 #28
Seriously,thanks for sharing that link. That hit home. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #30
+ 1,000,000,000 - That Just Made Me Cry... WillyT May 2015 #33
I'm feeding him in a half hour, it'll be my pleasure.nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #34
a second hug from me as well please irisblue May 2015 #39
We are all potentially violent. Just that most of us, liberals especially, are careful not to be randys1 May 2015 #51
WORD !!! WillyT May 2015 #53
saying OOPS is hard. pansypoo53219 May 2015 #16
If this ever goes to trial packman May 2015 #17
Unbelievable. I would like to be on that jury. avebury May 2015 #18
Legal go fund me Noah331 May 2015 #19
Our legal system is often a sanctuary ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #20
wtf Marrah_G May 2015 #21
Oh My God! NYC_SKP May 2015 #24
Whooo--Slow down a sec, SKP. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #25
Even so, no drugs were found, it was a completely bullshit entry into that home Joe the Revelator May 2015 #31
Absolutely. It was another criminal police action against civilians. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #35
Agreed. It was a satiric attempt at translating the legalese. nt. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #36
That's a good way to put it. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #37
Please! Lie to me and tell me this is a VERY Lame attempt at satire. diabeticman May 2015 #29
Just collateral damage in the war on drugs. 1M in medical bills.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #32
Makes perfect sense - Babies are violent thugs capable of inflicting greivous harm dbackjon May 2015 #38
Makes one feel hopeless reading this shit, doesn't it? nt valerief May 2015 #40
Terrell is an evil bag of rat excrement... gregcrawford May 2015 #41
This was a shitty act with shitty motives - BUT, the above is an editorialization Schema Thing May 2015 #42
We now live in a Police State and it will only get worse Angry Dragon May 2015 #45
honestly i think this is the case that the nation should be rallying around questionseverything May 2015 #46
I say it condemns the whole human race that the nearest bystanders didn't beat him to death FiveGoodMen May 2015 #47
Totalitarian Authoritarian Jerks! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #48
The asshole hasn't been fired yet? world wide wally May 2015 #49
I was hoping that this was from the Onion. dear goddess, what the **** is wrong with niyad May 2015 #50
It would be easier to understand the defense sulphurdunn May 2015 #52
That story was fucking HORRIBLE. Poor Baby Bou-Bou. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #54

lark

(23,097 posts)
44. Murderers
Fri May 22, 2015, 01:25 PM
May 2015

rapists, racists and facists aka police in our country. Yeah, those are tough words, but when an infant in said to be criminally responsible for the assholes nearly killing her, that's beyond the pale. These jerks are out of control and need to be stopped.

dgauss

(882 posts)
22. Right, those are quotes from the blogger not the actual defense.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:45 PM
May 2015

Here is where he gets them from:

This is the defense presented by Haberham County Sheriff Joey Terrell and his comrades in their reply to a federal lawsuit filed last February on behalf of Bou-Bou Phonesavanh and his family.


It's 36 pages and mostly goes like this:


40.
Responding to the allegations contained in paragraph 40 of plaintiffs'complaint, these defendants admit only that defendant Charles Long deployed adiversionary device into the subject residence pursuant to the pre-operational plan.These defendants deny the remaining allegations contained in paragraph 40 of plaintiffs' complaint.


41.
Responding to the allegations contained in paragraph 41 of plaintiffs'complaint, these defendants admit only that plaintiff Bounkham "Bou Bou"Phonesavanh sustained injuries from the noise flash diversionary device. These defendants deny the remaining allegations contained in paragraph 41 of plaintiffs'complaint

.....

48.
These defendants deny the allegations contained in paragraph 48 of plaintiffs' complaint.
49.
These defendants deny the allegations contained in paragraph 49 of plaintiffs' complaint.
50.
These defendants deny the allegations contained in paragraph 50 of plaintiffs' complaint



But then you get to this in the last few pages:

FIFTHDEFENSE
Plaintiffs' damages, if any, resulted solely from the voluntary and intentional conduct of plaintiffs or others and not from any conduct of these defendants or those over whom these defendants had any control.

SIXTH DEFENSE
Plaintiffs' damages, if any, were caused by the independent acts and decisions of persons and entities other than these defendants or those over whom these defendants had some legal right of control.

SEVENTH DEFENSE
To the extent as may be shown by the evidence through discovery, these defendants show that plaintiffs' damages, if any, were directly and proximately caused by the contributory and comparative negligence of plaintiffs and their failure to exercise ordinary care.





 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
23. Thanks! They lost me at the upteenth "deny" and I didn't make it that far.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:49 PM
May 2015

That definitely reads like some kind of "if you weren't suspicious of drugs this would never have happened" crap.

To paraphrase Gore Vidal, the presence of a flushsable toilet nullifies the 4th amendment.

dgauss

(882 posts)
55. Kind of like...
Fri May 22, 2015, 09:39 PM
May 2015

It's your own fault we suspected you.
It's your own fault we chose to throw an incendiary device through your window.
It's your own fault our throwing an incendiary device through your window resulted in your baby's face getting blown up.

But in legalese.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
8. Pacific Gas and Electric sued the citizens of Burlingame Calif.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:02 PM
May 2015

When a gas line ruptured and totally blew up 19 homes, partially did damage to other homes, and killed people.

Never mind that the state had GIVEN PG & E the $ 50 million bucks it needed to replace the pipeline - they had other things to do rather than spend perfectly good money on replacing a worn out pipeline.

So although I grieve and feel awful when I hear about things like this, I am not shocked.

This is what happens inside a Totalitarian regime.

This is what happens inside a Totalitarian regime.

If we don't like it, we need to start organizing.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. Jayzus H. Baldheaded Keerist.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:06 PM
May 2015

How the FUCK could any sane human being make that argument. Oh wait, it's kkkops, so sanity and humanity do not enter in to it.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
11. This is the price the parents are paying for being poor non-caucasians.
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:08 PM
May 2015



As the system sees it, they are not worthy of protection under the law.


MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
14. The only thing an infant can POSSIBLY be liable for is...
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:25 PM
May 2015

...making poo poo in the didey!

Let me guess. Fox "News" will agree.

PEACE!

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
27. I am not a violent man...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:48 PM
May 2015

...but geez, if I was that baby's father, I don't know what I'd do. Props to him for keeping his cool (assuming its the guy in the last picture). That makes me completely sick.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
28. Um... It... Invites A Lot Of Questions On How We Deal With... The Authorities...
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:53 PM
May 2015

I'm not violent either...

Yet that's just the thing to change that reality.




 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
30. Seriously,thanks for sharing that link. That hit home.
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:56 PM
May 2015

I had heard of this 'incident' but never saw the photos. I'm going to hold my son a little closer tonight.

The war on drugs needs to end, the war on people by their own police force needs to end. Thanks for sharing that, because nobody should ever ever ever go through that.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
51. We are all potentially violent. Just that most of us, liberals especially, are careful not to be
Fri May 22, 2015, 07:13 PM
May 2015

There is a limit though

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
17. If this ever goes to trial
Thu May 21, 2015, 08:41 PM
May 2015

I hope I get on the jury. Reading this it is amazing they didn't arrest the baby - and over a $50 POSSIBLE drug transaction.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
18. Unbelievable. I would like to be on that jury.
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:12 PM
May 2015

The only issue for me would be how much to make them pay the family. I don't see how they Sheriff's Dept. thinks that their defense will fly with a juror.

Noah331

(7 posts)
19. Legal go fund me
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:22 PM
May 2015

People should join together to hire the best legal counsel to help this family and others that are battling the crazy government we have right now.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. Oh My God!
Thu May 21, 2015, 09:57 PM
May 2015
“The act of sleeping in a room about to be breached by a SWAT team constituted “criminal” conduct on the part of the infant. At the very least, the infant was fully liable for the nearly fatal injuries inflicted on him when Habersham County Sheriff’s Deputy Charles Long blindly heaved a flash-bang grenade – a “destructive device,” as described by the ATF, that when detonated burns at 2,000-3,500 degrees Fahrenheit – into the crib.

Merely by being in that room, Bou-Bou had assumed the risk of coming under attack by a SWAT team. By impeding the trajectory of that grenade, rather than fleeing from his crib, Bou-Bou failed to “avoid the consequences” of that attack.

In any case, Bou-Bou, along with his parents and his siblings, are fully and exclusively to blame for the injuries that nearly killed the child and left the family with more than one million dollars in medical bills. The SWAT team that invaded the home in Cornelia, Georgia on the basis of a bogus anonymous tip that a $50 drug transaction had occurred there is legally blameless.”

Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/infant-responsible-grenade-thrown-face/#XjghWhpKVVfTZkVE.99

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
25. Whooo--Slow down a sec, SKP.
Thu May 21, 2015, 10:11 PM
May 2015

These passages are a (very) loose interpretation of what was actually in the document. The sheriff is actually more or less blaming the adults present for creating the situation in which the child was injured; they're not actually asserting that it was the child's fault per se.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
35. Absolutely. It was another criminal police action against civilians.
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:11 AM
May 2015

I certainly hope that you didn't take my comment to imply anything but condemnation for those cops. I was just pointing out that the presentation of the story was flawed, that the author was misrepresenting the actual document. We do ourselves no favors by being associated with unreliable commentary.

diabeticman

(3,121 posts)
29. Please! Lie to me and tell me this is a VERY Lame attempt at satire.
Thu May 21, 2015, 11:55 PM
May 2015

Someone lies about buying drugs at the house and the victims of the lie are responsible for the illegal action against them....

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
32. Just collateral damage in the war on drugs. 1M in medical bills....
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:01 AM
May 2015

...and the county of Habersham is hiding behind some bullshit immunity clause that GA has for its county Governments. I lived in that state for 5 years. Aside from the Braves, its really a worthless pit of ignorance. (on a governmental level)

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
38. Makes perfect sense - Babies are violent thugs capable of inflicting greivous harm
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:28 PM
May 2015

I had one the other day threaten me with a nuclear weapon if I didn't give him his binky back.



Oh - and puppies. Dangerous.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
41. Terrell is an evil bag of rat excrement...
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:38 PM
May 2015

... who should have a flash-bang shoved where the Sun don't shine.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
42. This was a shitty act with shitty motives - BUT, the above is an editorialization
Fri May 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
May 2015

those are quotes of an editorial, not quotes from court documents.


And I'm sure the defense will make shitty arguments to try and keep the county from having to pay. But now I'm curious what those arguments actually are.

questionseverything

(9,654 posts)
46. honestly i think this is the case that the nation should be rallying around
Fri May 22, 2015, 04:12 PM
May 2015

this child is the perfectly innocent victim

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
47. I say it condemns the whole human race that the nearest bystanders didn't beat him to death
Fri May 22, 2015, 05:31 PM
May 2015

on the spot.

What have we become that we will stand by cooperatively while the 'baby had it coming' defense is being offered?

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