So, the TPP is supposedly a good thing? Here is a chance for all the TPP supporters to make

[xocet]

positive, concrete and specific assertions about the TPP - please back them up with a link to the actual text of the TPP so that your laudatory comments may be verified...

[djean111]

1. There is no TPP until it is done, silly! So they cannot link to text. Imagine that.

We are supposed to just STFU and take their words and charts for it.
A bit authoritarian, seems to me. A LOT authoritarian.
I do enjoy seeing some posters froth at their keyboards, trying, for some reason, to force us all to love the TPP. Doesn't really make sense - it is not like we get to vote on it.

[bvar22]

12. Fameous Nancy Pelosi quote:

"You have to pass the bill to find out what is in it."


...shit you not.

[nationalize the fed]

13. .

This woman needs to be drug tested.

[bigwillq]

2. Obama supports it, so I do too.

I always listen to what my political leaders tell me.

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[JohnyCanuck]

18. You can be sure.....

the dear leader will never steer you wrong.

[MineralMan]

3. No text exists than can be linked, for either supporters or opponents.

The TPP is not completed yet. There is a draft, and it is not public. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.

[Jackpine Radical]

5. We've got some pretty damned good clues to parts of it, though.

And people who HAVE seen more of it--like Liz Warren--seem a little unhappy about its contents. Tell ya the truth, I was actually shocked at the way Obama went about attacking her. And I'm not talking any nonsense about first-name sexism.

[MineralMan]

8. It is a multinational negotiation.

We have clues, but not facts. Yes, some have seen the current state of the TPP, but they are not allowed to share it. The discussion is based on partial information and rumors. It is a waste of time.

Will it be enacted? Most probably. It is a multinational agreement. Will we be a signatory party? I don't know. That's the only thing the Congress can decide. Will we sign the agreement. That remains to be seen.

None of our discussion will change a single word of it. The US is just one of the parties in the negotiations.

[Jim Lane]

16. We have more than mere "clues"

As to some chapters, late-stage drafts have been leaked. If a draft reflects more than four years of negotiation, that's not just a "clue" about what the final proposal will look like.

We also know, from statements by the Obama Administration, that the TPP will include ISDS (the provision through which a foreign corporation can attack a democratically enacted law and have the case heard by special corporate tribunals independent of any public judicial system) and that it will not include any provision concerning currency manipulation.

We also know that the proponents, including McConnell, Obama, and Boehner (the MOB), have been touting the alleged benefits of the deal. Obviously, they also think that there are only minor points yet to be worked out and that the current drafts, some of which have been leaked, are pretty close to the final.

[Elwood P Dowd]

4. Real name is TCPP, or Transnational Corporate Power & Profits.

Its sure as hell not a free trade agreement, but neither was NAFTA, CAFTA, Uruguay GATT/WTO, and all the other transnational corporate outsourcing/investment scams masquerading as free trade the past 20 or so years.

[Jackpine Radical]

6. It's been re-named now?

I thought it was the Toilet Paper Protocol.

[Elwood P Dowd]

9. Comparing TPP to toilet paper is an insult to toilet paper, though heavly used brown toilet paper

bears similarities to the TPP.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. That was my point.

As usual, the Big Guys are being generous in providing us with the main ingredient for a shit sammich.

[L0oniX]

7. Can't wait for all the rocket scientists to pipe up about if Obama is for it then it's all good.

[randome]

11. You'll find few supporters of the TPP on DU.

Like Paul Krugman, most of us see it as no big deal one way or the other. (Although hasn't Krugman been more critical of it lately?)

The hand-wringing hyperbole comes squarely from the side that thinks Obama is 'okay' with slavery because he doesn't want to use the TPP to force our will on other nations.

By that same token, he must be 'okay' with prostitution, too, then. And he must be 'okay' with the proliferation of guns. And with drug smuggling. And with discrimination against gays and women. And with child pornography. And with gambling.

And then there are the hysterical screeds that proclaim his entire purpose is to immediately turn the U.S. into a third-world country by lowering our wages to match those of other countries.

The list goes on and on. There will no doubt be both positive and negative consequences to the TPP. IMO, it isn't worth trying to make it into a hard copy of the Apocalypse.
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[BrotherIvan]

14. Thanks for the official FUIGM response

[BrotherIvan]

15. It doesn't matter what's in it, the answer is:

[ucrdem]

19. TPP at-a-glance

A long glance, but it's a complicated piece of legislation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6720037

Here are some more pro-TPP OPs:

Wed May 13, 2015: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026670009

Fri Jan 30, 2015: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026159076

Fri Jan 2, 2015: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026034112

The long and short if it is that it's part of Obama's plan to grow the economy, to borrow Bill's phrase, by creating export markets for US goods and new US jobs producing them. There's more involved but that's the basic idea.

[xocet]

20. Nice ads! However, you failed to link to the actual text of the document for verification. n/t

[TheKentuckian]

22. To borrow Bill's snake oil pitch. Same bullshit, different mouthpiece to hornswaggle and neuter

linlberal opposition to yet another con job, telling the same lies but swearing this time it is true unlike the decades worth of times they told the same tired bullshit lies