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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon May 25, 2015, 02:04 AM May 2015

News Analysis: IS Tool For Remapping Arab Region: Experts

by Marwa Yahya

CAIRO, May 24 (Xinhua) -- The Islamic State (IS) militant group poses threats to the geography of the Arab region and constitutes "a tool for division," political and security experts have said.

"IS threatens the geography of the region, and fills the gaps created in the weak countries," Kamal Habib, expert in Islamic movements' affairs, said.

He pointed out that convulsions and conflicts that followed the Arab Spring uprisings have created "a fertile soil for the IS existence."

"The group has been established amid fragile environments," Habib told Xinhua, adding that some countries have exploited the IS to trigger more division in the chaotic region for their own interests.

He attributed the youth turnout to join the militant group to illiteracy, ignorance, unemployment and lack of confidence in their leaders.

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http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-05/24/c_134265991.htm

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Interesting. And sad. K&R nt riderinthestorm May 2015 #1
Essentially accurate. leveymg May 2015 #2
Yep, real barbarians at the gate. bemildred May 2015 #3
People ignore demographics. Igel May 2015 #4
Yes, we agree. bemildred May 2015 #6
Too bad our so called tools never futher the intersts of ordinary Americans betterdemsonly May 2015 #5

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. Essentially accurate.
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:45 AM
May 2015

Except that lions aren't twice as tall as giraffes and bigger than elephants. Fortunately.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Yep, real barbarians at the gate.
Mon May 25, 2015, 07:53 AM
May 2015

Warlords and gangs. I was thinking yesterday we probably overestimate the level of organization they have. All those young men with no prospects and nothing to do. And the ex-Baathists intent on revenge and GCC money driving it along.

In the glorious 21st century. We haven't evolved as much as we think.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
4. People ignore demographics.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:56 AM
May 2015

In 2011-2013 there were a spate of articles suddenly discovering that having a large number of single young men, mostly literate, but also mostly unemployed and without marriage (or sexual) prospects was a bad thing. They needed jobs to be able to get apts. and save up money in order to be able to get married and "be men." This was true across the entire Arab world, just based on fertility rates x economic growth. It was worse for unemployed college graduates, because they had higher expectations. Their resentment was greater; their skills in wreaking havoc are also larger. 9/11.

Instead of prosperity there was built up resentment and bitterness. As the economies underwent a downturn, this demographic spilled onto the street in revolt.

This was predicted by some demographers back in 2005, but people ignore demographics. They predicted a wave of revolts, usually ending badly, from Morocco over into Iran. As such predictions go, it was pretty accurate. It also extends to places like the Donbas with trivial and obvious changes. And explains very well why China's managed success--prosperity without the predicted push for democratization--is working, at least so far. (At some point the Chinese system will start to fail because it'll be too complex to be handily managed. One could argue that it's had some breakdowns already. Sadly, Putin's trying to move to that system.)

"Illiterate" is also a misnomer. Most of the men are literate, in that they can read. They are illiterate, in that they retained their low SES, strictly tribal, strictly peasant, culture; they are not widely read nor highly educated. Those liking revolutions tend to be highly educated, think of the brotherhood of man and are ideological idealists (whatever their ideology). Those they lead most often tend to be brutish, "long term" may mean "the end of the month," and they want for themselves and theirs more than they want for the common good. They *are* the common good, as far as they are concerned.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
6. Yes, we agree.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:13 AM
May 2015

They are modern enough in some respects, but the motives are very old, what I call "monkey politics", status and women, and of course food and the best land and so on. Basically it becomes the right to do whatever you want. And any place there are people, having too many idle young men is a recipe for trouble. Young men want to belong to a tribe, most of them, and you better give them one or they will invent their own.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
5. Too bad our so called tools never futher the intersts of ordinary Americans
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:11 AM
May 2015

or ordinary people anywhere.

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