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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Mon May 25, 2015, 09:52 AM May 2015

The likely cause of addiction has been found and it's not what you think

I am not by any means an expert on this and I'm not sure what to make of the article, but it is very interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/johann-hari/the-real-cause-of-addicti_b_6506936.html

But in the 1970s, a professor of Psychology in Vancouver called Bruce Alexander noticed something odd about this experiment. The rat is put in the cage all alone. It has nothing to do but take the drugs. What would happen, he wondered, if we tried this differently? So Professor Alexander built Rat Park. It is a lush cage where the rats would have colored balls and the best rat-food and tunnels to scamper down and plenty of friends: everything a rat about town could want. What, Alexander wanted to know, will happen then?

In Rat Park, all the rats obviously tried both water bottles, because they didn't know what was in them. But what happened next was startling.

The rats with good lives didn't like the drugged water. They mostly shunned it, consuming less than a quarter of the drugs the isolated rats used. None of them died. While all the rats who were alone and unhappy became heavy users, none of the rats who had a happy environment did.

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The likely cause of addiction has been found and it's not what you think (Original Post) gollygee May 2015 OP
I don't think this adequately explains addition but intitial drug use. TexasProgresive May 2015 #1
I worked in the addictions field for years. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #4
Your theory might be why improving lifestyles helps the user quit. Better job, better friends, etc. jwirr May 2015 #14
For What? Protalker May 2015 #27
I agree..... dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #32
I've thought this for years. truebluegreen May 2015 #2
Ditto - if this is somehow 'news,' I guess I should have written RiverNoord May 2015 #19
Soldiers from comfortable middle-class backgrounds serving in Vietnam, who were regular Joe Chi Minh May 2015 #22
This has been my theory as well cpamomfromtexas May 2015 #41
Self medication. Shame they had to torment sammythecat May 2015 #3
I guess this is why I never got into drugs - OhZone May 2015 #5
Can't say that I was never bored. Two reasons why I did not get into drugs. First I hate to be jwirr May 2015 #15
Ditto Demeter May 2015 #38
Dr. Hart wrote a book about addiction and intoxicants 90-percent May 2015 #6
interesting guy, impt voice redruddyred May 2015 #28
ONE of the many causes of the many types of addiction.....PTSD is another that comes to mind. Fred Sanders May 2015 #7
I think addictions arise as a means of escape from terribly unhappy lives. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #11
Great post...... wezl May 2015 #40
I'm reading the book, "Chasing the Scream", right now. Fuddnik May 2015 #8
That reminds me of the clean needle projects TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #18
Escape SoCalDem May 2015 #9
That just doesn't make sense. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #10
Because the economy is doing nothing of the kind, Manny Demeter May 2015 #12
I think Manny was being sarcastic. At least I hope so. C Moon May 2015 #23
That is Third Way Manny and he is always sarcastic. zeemike May 2015 #26
... Enthusiast May 2015 #36
So a bad economy keeps people off cocaine? IronLionZion May 2015 #48
Kick and R. BeanMusical May 2015 #13
Simplistic answer to a complex condition. Igel May 2015 #16
nice reply hfojvt May 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue May 2015 #42
Blaming the victim often turns out to be dumb when one takes the time to find out the root problems AZ Progressive May 2015 #17
But there is so much money to be made in diddling with the symptoms. -none May 2015 #45
It's way more complicated than this study suggests..... WcoastO May 2015 #20
LOL that doesn't really explain cocaine or the 1980s. Rex May 2015 #21
I've always wondered whether the New England heroin "epidemic" redruddyred May 2015 #24
K & R SunSeeker May 2015 #25
My sister PasadenaTrudy May 2015 #29
interesting. lesson - a life full of activities and interest is better than a life spent watching Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #30
I see where there is going, but there is a danger DonCoquixote May 2015 #31
Easy to explain. bvar22 May 2015 #34
And they all joined Rat Packs and performed in Vegas! cui bono May 2015 #35
Same thing happens with holy water. Buzz Clik May 2015 #37
Interesting BlueinOhio May 2015 #39
I would like to see this post. woo me with science May 2015 #44
It's about *SOCIALIZING* nt UTUSN May 2015 #43
Drugs and alcohol are escapes from the harshness of reality. onehandle May 2015 #46
This is something I've suspected for years... MrScorpio May 2015 #47
A hearty K&R Joe Shlabotnik May 2015 #49
Well said and deep. appalachiablue May 2015 #50
I always asked about that during our mandatory "drug education" seminars eridani May 2015 #51
What a pile of shit. Novara May 2015 #52

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
1. I don't think this adequately explains addition but intitial drug use.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

The isolation and poverty leads the rats to self medicate. As that ceases to work as well (tolerance builds up) they consume more and more until death. That is more what addiction is, continuing a behavior that once gave euphoria in the hopes that it will again.

My theory of addiction is that it is a corollary of the law of diminishing returns. Or to modify Einstein's definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over again and getting less and less results.


dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
4. I worked in the addictions field for years.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:28 AM
May 2015

and saw different approaches, different theories about different drugs of choice.

One of the universal feelings I heard from alcoholics and addicts was..they felt bored.
Nothing really made them feel engaged except their drug of choice.

The premise of the book is interesting, can't wait to read it.
God knows criminalizing drugs and users is not working
and treatment has a very small success rate.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
14. Your theory might be why improving lifestyles helps the user quit. Better job, better friends, etc.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:48 AM
May 2015

Protalker

(418 posts)
27. For What?
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:08 PM
May 2015

Dixie, I have worked in addiction for years with the indigent. If a person doesn't have a dream or desire a burning passion to stay clean, the drugs win, they are too powerful. Compound felonies makes it harder.
.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
32. I agree.....
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:02 PM
May 2015

It also has become real clear who really benefits from the current criminalization response to drug use.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
2. I've thought this for years.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:10 AM
May 2015

I've known addicts, and I've never known one that wasn't desperately unhappy to begin with. Which is why throwing them in jail has been such a success! in case it is needed

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
19. Ditto - if this is somehow 'news,' I guess I should have written
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:25 PM
May 2015

a scientific journal article years ago. Active people who are generally content with their lives are a tiny minority of those at risk of addiction.

Joe Chi Minh

(15,229 posts)
22. Soldiers from comfortable middle-class backgrounds serving in Vietnam, who were regular
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:31 PM
May 2015

drug users had no difficulty stopping, once they had returned to the US. Those from poor and difficult backgrounds did. As I expect did many who came from or lived in a dysfunctional family.

One thing I have noticed is that one 'rationale' some alcoholics seem to entertain, is the thought that they are getting back at someone who hurt them, by killing themselves in that way. They, in effect choose despair over hope, having almost entirely lost hope. It is as much a mark of immaturity in the young, as anything.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
3. Self medication. Shame they had to torment
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:21 AM
May 2015

animals in order to figure this out. Why didn't they just talk to addicts and non-addicts, they'd have gotten the same results.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
15. Can't say that I was never bored. Two reasons why I did not get into drugs. First I hate to be
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
May 2015

out of control of my body to any degree. Secondly I was responsible for a totally disabled child and using would have endangered her. I was busy.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
6. Dr. Hart wrote a book about addiction and intoxicants
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:39 AM
May 2015
http://www.drcarlhart.com/

Most of his message is along the lines of EVERYTHING OUR SOCIETY KNOWS ABOUT DRUGS IS WRONG.

A lot of horrible non-scientific and incorrect "facts" are responsible for a tremendous amount of human misery via our prison industrial complex, and so many other ignorant and counter productive answers to our societies "drug problem".

-90% Jimmy

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. I think addictions arise as a means of escape from terribly unhappy lives.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:11 AM
May 2015

Early trauma, neglect, abuse, etc. are often the wellsprings of the unhappiness.

PTSD is one subset of the symptoms that can arise from the early trauma. Others include the dissociative disorders, certain personality disorders (Borderline Personality Disorder in particular), Intermittent Explosive Disorder, & even a sort of pseudo-ADD.

The interesting thing about addictions is that the physiological dependence is a minor component of the problem. Deprived of one addictive substance or behavior, many will simply switch to another. The proper treatment of addiction must involve treating the underlying sources of misery, but that is too expensive for widespread use & can't be done in groups, so insurance companies don't like to pay for it, & only the well-to-do can afford the types of therapy that are actually effective. Everyone else is left to get symptom-suppressing medications.

wezl

(44 posts)
40. Great post......
Mon May 25, 2015, 05:39 PM
May 2015

Very informative and true. Trauma and the dissociative effects must be recognized and understood to be able to beat addiction. Understanding the dissociated part of me, or "sub personality" really helped me to stop an every day drinking habit that I wanted to kick. It does involve wanting to be VERY honest with yourself, and that's hard when your "sub personality" is in control.......

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
8. I'm reading the book, "Chasing the Scream", right now.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:47 AM
May 2015

I saw the author one night on The Daily Show", and it sounded very interesting. It is.

It includes case histories and stories from around the world.

Britain had a program to supply addicts with pure, unadulterated heroin, a place to use it, and always under a nurses supervision. It was a wild success. Patients led normal, skilled, employed middle class lives until the DEA and the purity police badgered them to drop it, and criminalize it again. Within a year, many of the addicts were dead, from shooting the poisons that are used to cut street heroin.

A very good read.


http://www.amazon.com/dp/1620408902/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=56253524083&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10360838663750464076&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_91iu3tylqe_e

TexasBushwhacker

(20,185 posts)
18. That reminds me of the clean needle projects
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:00 PM
May 2015

All they wanted to do was supply clean needles to addicts so that they wouldn't share and transmit or contract HIV. Seems reasonable. But oh the objections!!!

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
9. Escape
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:52 AM
May 2015

from a shitty life, even if it's a fleeting escape, is alluring to some people

Years ago I read an article that said that from early-on., the percentage of people who become addicted is about the same...and many of them actually "outgrew" their reliance on drugs as they got older..

It's always annoyed me that we wasted SO much money and put so many people in jail, and have only seemed to make it worse..

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. That just doesn't make sense.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:53 AM
May 2015

If that's true, then why are overdose rates skyrocketing when we KNOW that the economy is getting stronger and more vibrant every day?



Sorry, you can't fight facts, buster.

Regards,

TWM

(Dear juror: this post is purely sarcasm/parody, no matter what story the alerter tells you)

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
12. Because the economy is doing nothing of the kind, Manny
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:23 AM
May 2015

but I think you know that...at least, one of you does!

Igel

(35,300 posts)
16. Simplistic answer to a complex condition.
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:55 AM
May 2015

Genetics contributes a predisposition, but something else is needed.

Boredom can be part of that "something else," but without a genetic predisposition you get transient recreational use. It's a habit, perhaps, but not an addiction in the physiological sense.

Another pointed out PTSD. So not just boredom, but stress. (Lump them into "unhappy," if you want; while that may turn out to be the right category, it's probably best to break unhappy into a lot of discrete subcategories for the actual analysis. Otherwise a lot of important details might be glossed over.)

This assumes this study was replicated properly and conducted appropriately. Too many psych studies only report positive reports, engage in data dredging and selective post-hoc analysis. Too many fail the replication test--and when they fail the test, the results of the failure typically aren't reported. So some lab group somewhere knows to ignore the study, but shares this, at best, informally, so the study isn't ignored.

The cynical, ill-will side of me wants to say that this study is pointed out now just because it's a way of saying, "Hey, don't blame me--blame somebody else." I know a lot of kids who use drugs. Fine, they use drugs because they're bored. Not clear what to make of that bit of information. Some are fairly wealthy, but that's probably not the group being defended even though the same defense works for the well-off as for the indigent. Even the fairly poor bored have few excuses. There are a lot of things to occupy one's time.

During the summer my family and I have few resources for things like trips, movies, etc.; the families across the street are the same. Yet we avoid boredom fairly easily. I read, surf, find a lot of things that work for me. Same for my wife and kid. The kid will be learning more viola (since I'll be brushing up on my violin skills and can teach him a thing or two.) Many of the neighborhood kids play video games or play sports in the street. Some have music they make instead of just passively experience. Any average kid who is bored is bored for family or cultural reasons: curiosity's been squashed out of them or is considered inappropriate and stigmatized or they're otherwise prevented from doing things that they find interesting. There are free activities sponsored by local community groups; parks; botanical gardens; libraries. All within 10 minutes' drive, and since this is the 'burbs, everybody has at least one working vehicle. (But many parents refuse to take or make the time, even on days off.) When I was a kid I saw a lot of this. "Let's __________" was greeted with, "That's lame" or something else dismissive. It wasn't cool. My friend and I would swim, bike-ride, play board games, produce the chemicals for small explosive devices.... Our mutual friends thought all of those things boring. No bragging rights there. My friend in his junior year in high school helped build a radio station; our mutual friend became a drug addict because, well, electronics was lame. The electronics guy has a prosperous consulting company, as his hobby became his major became his career; the drug addict had 4 kids by 3 women in two marriages and a spate of failed (then one successful) suicide attempts. The drug-addict-to-be had the wealthier family.

Boredom is like stress. We like to think that kids in poor families have greater levels of stress. We look at income as a proxy for stress. But stress is physiological, the way the studies linking educational achievement or cognitive load and stress define it. The few studies that look at actual stress-hormone levels find that they're remarkably consistent across income levels. The kids of rich parents feel as much physiological stress as the kids of working class families. (Things are different with the truly indigent, those who aren't "food insecure" but "hungry", those in the bottom 5% or so.) Kids make their own stress; kids make their own boredom.

Odds are that another important variable will come to light: Sensation seeking. I don't seek thrills. If I did, my summers would be excruciatingly boring. Not because of anything but thrill-seeking. Not all kids are "normal." Some are at the high end of the thrill-seeking scale.

And since we've already decided to expand it from "bored" to "unhappy," the same is true for happiness. The poor are about as happy as the rich--with the caveat that it's really hard to pin down a good definition of "happy" and get people in surveys to apply it. Happiness seems to be mostly unrelated to income and possessions. My mother was intensely unhappy as a homeless single mother; when she had a paid-for 2000 sq ft house in a nice area, pool in the backyard, gold-plated chandelier and she and her husband had interest from $800k in savings to supplement their $50k/year retirement income she was no less intensely unhappy. (She also had no addictions. When cigarettes hit the price point she'd decided was the most she'd pay, she quit cold turkey when her supply ran out. That was in the 1980s. She's still alive.)

Response to Igel (Reply #16)

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
17. Blaming the victim often turns out to be dumb when one takes the time to find out the root problems
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:56 AM
May 2015

This country has to stop blaming the victim and attacking the victim and instead find the root problems and deal with them. Doing so otherwise is cruelty and being a bully and pretty much discrimination.

-none

(1,884 posts)
45. But there is so much money to be made in diddling with the symptoms.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:26 PM
May 2015

Money that would stop if we were to go to work on the root cause.

WcoastO

(55 posts)
20. It's way more complicated than this study suggests.....
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:30 PM
May 2015

Short term treatment, for the most part, doesn't work.....it is too easy for the addict to slip up and relapse. The big problem with relapse is the addict doesn't ease back into drug use by using smaller amounts....they go back to their typical pretreatment dosage and die from an overdose.

There’s A Treatment For Heroin Addiction That Actually Works. Why Aren’t We Using It?

By Jason Cherkis

January 28, 2015

The last image we have of Patrick Cagey is of his first moments as a free man. He has just walked out of a 30-day drug treatment center in Georgetown, Kentucky, dressed in gym clothes and carrying a Nike duffel bag. The moment reminds his father of Patrick’s graduation from college, and he takes a picture of his son with his cell phone. Patrick is 25. His face bright, he sticks his tongue out in embarrassment. Four days later, he will be dead from a heroin overdose.


http://projects.huffingtonpost.com/dying-to-be-free-heroin-treatment

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. LOL that doesn't really explain cocaine or the 1980s.
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:31 PM
May 2015

Then why do some of the richest and most well off die from drug overdoses? Oh right, then it is 'the fame and too much easy living'...er wait...

Rats are great to do experiments on, but they still are not self aware materialist creatures like humans. Addiction in humans is unique in certain ways.

Are rats self-aware that they are addicted? Nope. Changes the entire ballgame to be self-aware imo.



 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
24. I've always wondered whether the New England heroin "epidemic"
Mon May 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
May 2015

was due the general hopelessness the young people here feel.
I was speaking to a recovering addict the other day, she's friends with a lot of people from the South Shore. every single day there's a new "in memoriam" post on her facebook feed.
which if we're to believe this article, says a lot abt living in the South Shore.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
30. interesting. lesson - a life full of activities and interest is better than a life spent watching
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:47 PM
May 2015

19 kids and counting.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
31. I see where there is going, but there is a danger
Mon May 25, 2015, 01:51 PM
May 2015

That will allow addiction to be linked to a simple matter of an unhappy life. The reason why I warn against this is that it will be allowed to "make a trap for fools" as Kipling put it, to abandon the fact that we do treat addiction as a DISEASE rather than a moral judgement. Yes, making less that were less stressful and less abusive will help the matter greatly, but we should never assume that if we set social variable to just so, make a skinner box where everything is just right, that we will kill addiction. Forget anecdotal evidence, but we have already done much to show the chemical, and yes, genetic side of the addiction; we know that an addict's brain does not work the same as a non addict. Granted, future scientists might somehow get more from the link, one that explains perhaps why many addicts become either criminals, or why many become artists, but the point is, there are inherent temptations to reduce problems to something we can easily observe and control, rather than things that we cannot easily observe or things we can only manage, rather than change.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
34. Easy to explain.
Mon May 25, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

Rats, like people, like to get "high" and go ride the Roller Coaster at the Amusement Park.
Haven't you seen all the happy rats at the bottom of your Roller Coaster car?
If you haven't....don't look down.

BlueinOhio

(238 posts)
39. Interesting
Mon May 25, 2015, 04:48 PM
May 2015

Fits another post I read awhile back. It was about an experiment where they paid people enough to live on and they found out that the money went positive things like towards school and not toward drugs and alcohol.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
46. Drugs and alcohol are escapes from the harshness of reality.
Mon May 25, 2015, 10:37 PM
May 2015

Yep.

Not that addiction is not a disease as well, but... Yep.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
47. This is something I've suspected for years...
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:00 PM
May 2015

I've never used any narcotics because I never felt the need to. I'm already a happy person who's content with myself, so why would I need to get high? I've old drank alcohol for the taste, and never to get drunk. If I ever started feeling drunk from whatever I was having, I usually quit because I hate the idea of losing self-control.

Whenever I drive, I never drink at all.

Joe Shlabotnik

(5,604 posts)
49. A hearty K&R
Mon May 25, 2015, 11:05 PM
May 2015

Society as we know it, increasingly relies on social isolation to maximize profits, and the last 2 or 3 or 4 generations have been indoctrinated into the false and lonely belief that only one's self can liberate one through status, earnings and consumer purchases. What a fucked up atomized world we live in. There is strength in numbers, but those in charge do what they can to keep us distracted, and subsequently desperate. The chaff end up with addictions, and only become productive by feeding whole other pharmaceutical, legal, and inhumane detention industries.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
51. I always asked about that during our mandatory "drug education" seminars
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:18 AM
May 2015

--at my former place of employment. "Suppose you were isolated--no human contact, no phone, no computer, no TV, no books, etc. Would you be more likely to use drugs under those conditions?" Alsways got blown off. I'm glad someone actually did the experiment.

Although I think that with opiates, there are biochemical vulnerabilities in some people. Experiments with self-administered morphine have shown major differences among individuals. Some took so little that the doctors wondered how it could even work, while others took enough to stun a horse. No one got addicted, except for a handful of people who had previously had drug problems.

Novara

(5,841 posts)
52. What a pile of shit.
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:00 AM
May 2015

For every bored drug user there's someone else who is just plain bored.

For every socially isolated user there's a happy, non-addicted introvert.

For every soldier addict with PTSD there's an soldier dealing with it through therapy only.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't make a study, nor does it prove a theory.

Addiction knows no economic, social, or racial stratification; addiction doesn't discriminate.

And people who quit using when they are no longer bored/sad/stressed/unhappy were never really addicted to begin with. They were just using drugs to fill a void, which doesn't make them an addict. Addicts can't quit even when their bored/sad/stressed/unhappy situation changes.

This is just somebody's oversimplified pet theory.

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