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gaspee

(3,231 posts)
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:20 AM May 2015

I like them both

I had originally posted this in another thread, but decided to post it on its own.

I am fully prepared to vote Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. If enough people vote with me for Bernie in the primaries, then I will get to vote for him in the general. If enough people don't agree with me to give Bernie the nomination, I will not whine and cry like a little spoiled brat and I will vote for Hillary. I like her too, when compared to every single one of any of the potential GOP nominees. I am a socialist, feminist, queer atheist and proud of all of those things. But I know I am way outside the mainstream. The way Hillary is portrayed here, I should hate her. But I am also a realist. IF the people... and that's a huge IF - really are not happy with the status quo and REALLY and truly want money out of politics, then they will vote for Bernie. Hillary is not the devil, but she is much more to the center than Bernie and she is friends with the real people who run the world - ie - the people with money and she does show them allegiance.

I WISH the rest of the country felt the way that I do, but 40 years of brainwashing has turned this country into a poor hating, intellectual hating, wasteland of ignorance. We've lived the republicans theories since Reagan - it's led to increased: income inequality, poverty, militarized police forces, endless war, reproductive rights being scaled back, environmental disaster... I could go on and on.

I get frustrated sometimes that enough other people can't see it. But in a democracy, you have to take the good with the bad. You can't MAKE people behave in their own best interests. You can try to convince them, you can get the word out, you can live by example and just have faith that as Martin Luther King said, The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice... look at the world now as opposed to 100 years ago. it's better, it truly is, but society moves slowly, oh so slowly. And maybe that's an OK thing... look what happens when societies go through rapid, overnight changes... they become extremely unstable with a lot of people getting hurt in the crossfire. Daily, and I mean daily, small changes - add up to a lot. 10 years ago, very few people would have believed just how far equal right for the LGBT community would advance in 10 years. It is amazing.

Don't give up hope. Live your life the way you want the world to be. Network with other people. Make it happen. Make it long lasting and not just a swinging pendulum.

If the two Democrats live what they preach by not trying to destroy each other while the clown car goes all Lord Of The Flies on each other, I think people will react well to it. IF Bernie can defeat Hillary in the primaries, then he can win the general. I truly believe that. We will find out.

I like them both.

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I like them both (Original Post) gaspee May 2015 OP
well said oldandhappy May 2015 #1
Thank you gaspee May 2015 #2
Don't bother...I asked for comity several times and was rebuffed./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #3
I think for supporters of both, this is a measured position and response. DUers can be rational libdem4life May 2015 #4

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
2. Thank you
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:31 AM
May 2015

I find myself so impatient sometimes and rail against the injustices in the world and get so upset that other people just can't *see* it. It's taken me a long time to get to the place I am now. I supported Hillary in 2008 and then I voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

The alternative, to me, is unthinkable. Any one of the bozos in the Clown Car would make GWB look like a good president.

The US right is filled with so much hate that you can feel it all around you. I have not had a perfect life or an easy life but I do not hate like that.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
4. I think for supporters of both, this is a measured position and response. DUers can be rational
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:44 AM
May 2015

and respectful and still have opinions. I'm personally Left Liberal, maybe that has become Social Progressive, I don't know or really care about the label. I care deeply about the issues I want to support and work for and be proud of...and either of them far outweigh the other party...by miles and miles. Nobody is perfect. Finding one person to oversee 300 million American people is not going to be an easy task...before or after the election.

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