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A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
Sat May 30, 2015, 12:45 AM May 2015

After 24 years, 4 months and 7 days, Eastern Airlines resumes revenue flight operations

Eastern Air Lines (2nd) (Miami) will start revenue passenger operations tomorrow (May 27). The first flight will be depart from Miami International Airport (MIA) at 10 am (1000) bound for Havana, Cuba.


Welcome back!

http://worldairlinenews.com/2015/05/26/eastern-air-lines-to-operate-its-first-revenue-flight-tomorrow/

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After 24 years, 4 months and 7 days, Eastern Airlines resumes revenue flight operations (Original Post) A HERETIC I AM May 2015 OP
The Wings of Man BeyondGeography May 2015 #1
Bring back Pan Am and TWA. onehandle May 2015 #2
Pan Am was the future.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #13
I have never seen that! SoapBox May 2015 #16
Sure you have. It's the Pan Am Space Clipper from "2001 - A Space Odyssey"... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #18
Oh my gosh...yes. SoapBox May 2015 #19
There have been artists out there doing CGI on that movie for years.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #21
Agreed Sherman A1 May 2015 #22
First airline I ever flew on...in 1975. Flown on too many since. susanna May 2015 #3
My first was Western Airlines. Codeine May 2015 #4
TSA davidpdx May 2015 #9
How about Piedmont? A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #11
Nope, those are before my time davidpdx May 2015 #12
Piedmont, PBA, Braniff, flew on all of those and more DFW May 2015 #20
Is LIAT still flying? JohnyCanuck May 2015 #26
Re; the PBA DC-3's A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #31
Did you mean PSA? SoapBox May 2015 #17
Yes...yes I did davidpdx May 2015 #24
I've got a whole bag of those stir sticks... SoapBox May 2015 #14
Mine, too... IthinkThereforeIAM May 2015 #23
Flew a lot on Eastern 1939 May 2015 #25
I got my junior pilot wings on TWA. My sister got junior stewardess wings. Mister Ed May 2015 #28
Flew on them to Florida to visit grandparents. Lifelong Protester May 2015 #6
Wow. I had no idea they were coming back. kcr May 2015 #5
Now I know I have those old stock certificates around here somewhere... eom Purveyor May 2015 #7
Let's Go Down Memory Lane.... MADem May 2015 #8
Holy cow...talk about a walk down memory lane. SoapBox May 2015 #15
If some of those ran today... JHB May 2015 #35
Better late than never? davidpdx May 2015 #10
wow! hlthe2b May 2015 #27
Anybody remember Freddie Laker? dhol82 May 2015 #29
My first wife worked for Eastern in Miami. trumad May 2015 #30
My brother in law was a captain on Eastern newfie11 May 2015 #32
Good maybe they will come to the mismanaged Port Authority Historic NY May 2015 #33
Not really resuming -- it's a different company Jim Lane May 2015 #34

susanna

(5,231 posts)
3. First airline I ever flew on...in 1975. Flown on too many since.
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:38 AM
May 2015

I still have my wings pin (I was an unaccompanied minor at the time - imagine - visiting Grandma, and they pulled out all the stops).

Nice to see them back, if only for sentimental reasons.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
4. My first was Western Airlines.
Sat May 30, 2015, 01:42 AM
May 2015

I still have my little wings pin and a W-shaped swizzle stick tucked away in the little stash of stuff rescued from my childhood.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
20. Piedmont, PBA, Braniff, flew on all of those and more
Sat May 30, 2015, 03:37 AM
May 2015

Mohawk, National, Ozark, Air Califorrnia, Agony Airlines, Lake Central, People's Express, Aloha, New York Air (the flying nosh!), PSA, there were so many in those days. Those PBA DC-3 planes were a hoot.

Overseas, too: BEA, BOAC, Air Inter, the original German Wings before Lufthansa drove them into insolvency, bought the name, and then resurrected it to mean something ugly. Is LIAT still flying?

Of all the big airlines I used to take regularly in the States, the only three big names that have survived are United, Delta and American.

JohnyCanuck

(9,922 posts)
26. Is LIAT still flying?
Sat May 30, 2015, 06:05 AM
May 2015

Not without its problems and maybe not for much longer.


Antigua furious over ‘treasonous’ plans for LIAT and Barbados
In a furore that could sour regional relations, Antigua Prime Minister Gaston Browne has condemned the LIAT Board and a shareholder government for allegedly undermining LIAT


ST. JOHN’S, Antigua, March 30, 2015 (AMG) — The Government of Antigua and Barbuda is furious over a leaked document which detailed plans for Barbados to divest its majority share in regional-airline LIAT, and to take several aircraft from its fleet to form a new airline.

In several strongly-worded statements over the past few days, Prime Minister Gaston Browne described the plans as “treason”, and stated that he will demand the resignation of LIAT CEO, David Evans, if it was found that he played a role in the creation of the plan.

AMG understands that the document was first discussed at a meeting of the LIAT Board of Directors, from where it was allegedly leaked to Browne.

A new Barbados airline: Sources confirm that the plan in question proposes that Barbados should take several of LIAT’s new ATR aircraft and form a new company, code-named “Newco”, to compete with LIAT.

http://www.antillean.org/liat-barbados-new-airline-246/


You can read all about its fiscal woes and the ongoing debate as to what to do with the airline on the Caribbean Regional Aviation Network forum run by a former LIAT pilot, Jim Lynch (bimjim):


[Bados Today] Stuart mum on LIAT plans
Marlon Madden
May 23, 2015.

Prime Minister Freundel Stuart is keeping any developments regarding the cash-strapped airline LIAT close to his chest.

However, responding to a question from this newspaper during a tour of the annual Barbados Manufacturers’ Exhibition (BMEX) this evening, Stuart would only say that shareholder governments were at “a fairly delicate stage of a transition in LIAT”.

Yesterday the shareholder governments met at the Hilton Resort in Barbados where they agreed to stick with their February 13, 2015 restructuring plan designed to keep the airline from collapse.

The Governments of Antigua and Barbuda, St Vincent and the Grenadines and Dominica, joined Stuart in deciding not to back out, despite the losses being incurred by the airline, but to invest a further $5 million in short-term capital.

http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=19916


Here is what bimjim has to say about LIAT's management and prospects:

Open Letter To The Majority Shareholders Of LIAT (i.e. various Caribbean island governments)

snip

Let's talk business: My considered forecast is that LIAT has less than two years to exist before either the CDB - or some other creditor group - chains its doors and sells the airplanes for debt. There is good reason for this forecast... LIAT's total passenger load (= income, revenue) in the last year was HALF what it was the year before, yet the expenses remain the same - or even greater, considering the constant arrival/delivery of new airplanes.

As LIAT's light grows dimmer, users of the airline are gladly moving to other carriers, making other arrangements, finding some other way to travel than the still-late, still-cancelled, still-abusive LIAT. Hoteliers are deliberately telling their overseas guests how to get there without touching LIAT. New airlines are starting up and taking market share away, simply because so few people are willing to put up with the LIAT nonsense any more.

I will repeat my simple request to you so that the entire reading public can see it and make up their own minds as to whether I am a raving lunatic or a frustrated professional.

1. Take the politics - and politicians - OUT of LIAT. No more political commissars on the LIAT management payroll drawing a fat salary to ensure some politician's orders are being carried out.
2. Take the political appointees out of LIAT, at all levels. All of them.
3. Remove the entire current Board and install new Board Members composed of intelligent and knowledgeable persons, with the primary required practical knowledgeset of how an airline should be run, give them the basic mandate and and let them be the overall deciders of where the airline should be headed.
4. Remove the current Executive of LIAT - no matter the cost, given what they are costing the shareholders now - and require the new Board to find qualified competent people with drive and imagination who can turn the airline around in less than six months.
5. Make it clear to the Board that their mandate is that the airline should at least break even.
6. The Board in turn is to make it clear to the executive management that their job is to turn the airline around, and that the airline should at least break even - or that they will lose their jobs. Executive management has no claim to tenure.
7. If the Board cannot get management to at least break even, then they will also lose their jobs. A Board has no claim to tenure either.


In short, turn LIAT over to real aviation professionals, and demand that they perform or be removed.

http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=19927

A HERETIC I AM

(24,368 posts)
31. Re; the PBA DC-3's
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:08 AM
May 2015

My family moved back to Miami in 1974 and I started working as a truck driver in '78, a lot of time spent around MIA.

It seems to me that in those days, during the winter months, PBA would fly those DC-3's down from Boston and run FL as well as Caribbean routes. Come May or so, they would head back north and fly out of Provincetown.

It was always kind of cool seeing those old taildraggers come in.

A friend of the family was a pilot for National, which got bought by Pan Am. National and Eastern were direct competitors for the Northeast to Florida traffic.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
17. Did you mean PSA?
Sat May 30, 2015, 03:23 AM
May 2015

And there was AirCal...and Ozark...Air West \ Hughes Air West...Reno Air...Wein Air Alaska...Morris Air...Muse Air...MGM Grand Air...Pacific Express...Aloha...Republic...Pride...NY Air...Air Florida...People's Express...Value Jet...America West...

I'm sure I'm missing more, but I'm tired.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
14. I've got a whole bag of those stir sticks...
Sat May 30, 2015, 03:09 AM
May 2015

And some china...and the last timetables...and Wally Bird pins ("It's the ONLY way to fly!&quot and my models of the 73, 72 and DC10.

I still miss WAL...merged away on April 1, 1987.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
23. Mine, too...
Sat May 30, 2015, 04:25 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 09:13 PM - Edit history (1)

... they were the best, free Smokehouse Almonds as inflight snacks! I still feel their flight attendants and operations from way back when would rival or beat any of the current airlines.

PS: This was in reply to the Western Airlines post up thread.

1939

(1,683 posts)
25. Flew a lot on Eastern
Sat May 30, 2015, 05:29 AM
May 2015

I always called it Worstern. Back in my road warrior days, 75% of my trips began with or ended with Eastern on the Richmond-Atlanta run. Horrible and dirty looking cabin interiors. I always preferred to leave or return to Richmond on Piedmont which was a jewel of an airline even if those old YS-11 turbo props left something to be desired.

Mister Ed

(5,932 posts)
28. I got my junior pilot wings on TWA. My sister got junior stewardess wings.
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:32 AM
May 2015

Sis sure showed them. She's a captain with American Airlines these past twenty years.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
6. Flew on them to Florida to visit grandparents.
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:03 AM
May 2015

My first flight was on North Central. (Didn't they later merge with Eastern?)

On later edit, no, they merged with Southern to become Republic. They did retain their Herman the Duck logo/mascot.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
35. If some of those ran today...
Sun May 31, 2015, 01:11 AM
May 2015

Teabaggers would pitch a fit over the "celebrate America" one for leaving out the "under God" part of the line from the Pledge of Allegiance. And using "E Pluribus Unum"? **GASP**Why does Eastern hate God??????
(Of course, that appeared to be a 1960s ad so the target audience -- people old enough and well-off enough to buy plane tickets -- would have been schoolkids in the 40s or earlier, before "under God" had been inserted, so it would have been the version they were familiar with.)

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
29. Anybody remember Freddie Laker?
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:34 AM
May 2015

Flew them out of New York a couple of times. They made it cheap enough to go to London for a long weekend.

Ah, those were the days.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
30. My first wife worked for Eastern in Miami.
Sat May 30, 2015, 07:41 AM
May 2015

We flew all over the place...Europe, etc.

It died a very horrible death due to mismanagement. God I remember the last days----the worse airline service in history.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
32. My brother in law was a captain on Eastern
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:17 AM
May 2015

I will send this to him😊
He's long retired but I'm sure he will be happy to hear this.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
33. Good maybe they will come to the mismanaged Port Authority
Sat May 30, 2015, 08:45 AM
May 2015

Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 10:03 AM - Edit history (1)

Stewart International Airport in NY. Many years ago there were chartered flights to Cuba until St. Ronnie said they should end. They were packed from the metro area.

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
34. Not really resuming -- it's a different company
Sat May 30, 2015, 02:18 PM
May 2015

Although the press release says "Eastern resumes revenue flight operations tomorrow," that's misleading.

From the Wikipedia article about the new airline:

The ownership group, Eastern Air Lines Group, purchased the intellectual property, including trademarks, of the original Eastern Air Lines, and announced in early 2014 that it had filed an application with the United States Department of Transportation for a certificate of public convenience and necessity, which would be followed by certification with the Federal Aviation Administration. The new airline launched charter flights with Boeing 737-800 aircraft out of Miami International Airport in 2015, with the first flight to José Martí International Airport in Havana departing on 28 May 2015.[3] Scheduled service is planned to follow 12 to 18 months later.[4][5][6]

The new Eastern Air Lines operates out of Building 5A at Miami International Airport. The building formerly housed the system and maintenance control centers of the original airline.[6]
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