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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAfter 24 years, 4 months and 7 days, Eastern Airlines resumes revenue flight operations
Welcome back!
http://worldairlinenews.com/2015/05/26/eastern-air-lines-to-operate-its-first-revenue-flight-tomorrow/
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Brings back memories.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)An aside... I loved the Pan Am teevee show. Wish it hadn't been canceled.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It's a great pic.
p.s...now I'll be humming The Blue Danube as I sleep!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Wish neither had gone away.
susanna
(5,231 posts)I still have my wings pin (I was an unaccompanied minor at the time - imagine - visiting Grandma, and they pulled out all the stops).
Nice to see them back, if only for sentimental reasons.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)I still have my little wings pin and a W-shaped swizzle stick tucked away in the little stash of stuff rescued from my childhood.
I wonder how many DUers remember that one.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)Or PBA?
And then there is of course, Braniff;
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)DFW
(54,378 posts)Mohawk, National, Ozark, Air Califorrnia, Agony Airlines, Lake Central, People's Express, Aloha, New York Air (the flying nosh!), PSA, there were so many in those days. Those PBA DC-3 planes were a hoot.
Overseas, too: BEA, BOAC, Air Inter, the original German Wings before Lufthansa drove them into insolvency, bought the name, and then resurrected it to mean something ugly. Is LIAT still flying?
Of all the big airlines I used to take regularly in the States, the only three big names that have survived are United, Delta and American.
JohnyCanuck
(9,922 posts)Not without its problems and maybe not for much longer.
Antigua furious over treasonous plans for LIAT and Barbados
In a furore that could sour regional relations, Antigua Prime Minister Gaston Browne has condemned the LIAT Board and a shareholder government for allegedly undermining LIAT
ST. JOHNS, Antigua, March 30, 2015 (AMG) The Government of Antigua and Barbuda is furious over a leaked document which detailed plans for Barbados to divest its majority share in regional-airline LIAT, and to take several aircraft from its fleet to form a new airline.
In several strongly-worded statements over the past few days, Prime Minister Gaston Browne described the plans as treason, and stated that he will demand the resignation of LIAT CEO, David Evans, if it was found that he played a role in the creation of the plan.
AMG understands that the document was first discussed at a meeting of the LIAT Board of Directors, from where it was allegedly leaked to Browne.
A new Barbados airline: Sources confirm that the plan in question proposes that Barbados should take several of LIATs new ATR aircraft and form a new company, code-named Newco, to compete with LIAT.
http://www.antillean.org/liat-barbados-new-airline-246/
You can read all about its fiscal woes and the ongoing debate as to what to do with the airline on the Caribbean Regional Aviation Network forum run by a former LIAT pilot, Jim Lynch (bimjim):
[Bados Today] Stuart mum on LIAT plans
Marlon Madden
May 23, 2015.
Prime Minister Freundel Stuart is keeping any developments regarding the cash-strapped airline LIAT close to his chest.
However, responding to a question from this newspaper during a tour of the annual Barbados Manufacturers Exhibition (BMEX) this evening, Stuart would only say that shareholder governments were at a fairly delicate stage of a transition in LIAT.
Yesterday the shareholder governments met at the Hilton Resort in Barbados where they agreed to stick with their February 13, 2015 restructuring plan designed to keep the airline from collapse.
The Governments of Antigua and Barbuda, St Vincent and the Grenadines and Dominica, joined Stuart in deciding not to back out, despite the losses being incurred by the airline, but to invest a further $5 million in short-term capital.
http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=19916
Here is what bimjim has to say about LIAT's management and prospects:
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Let's talk business: My considered forecast is that LIAT has less than two years to exist before either the CDB - or some other creditor group - chains its doors and sells the airplanes for debt. There is good reason for this forecast... LIAT's total passenger load (= income, revenue) in the last year was HALF what it was the year before, yet the expenses remain the same - or even greater, considering the constant arrival/delivery of new airplanes.
As LIAT's light grows dimmer, users of the airline are gladly moving to other carriers, making other arrangements, finding some other way to travel than the still-late, still-cancelled, still-abusive LIAT. Hoteliers are deliberately telling their overseas guests how to get there without touching LIAT. New airlines are starting up and taking market share away, simply because so few people are willing to put up with the LIAT nonsense any more.
I will repeat my simple request to you so that the entire reading public can see it and make up their own minds as to whether I am a raving lunatic or a frustrated professional.
1. Take the politics - and politicians - OUT of LIAT. No more political commissars on the LIAT management payroll drawing a fat salary to ensure some politician's orders are being carried out.
2. Take the political appointees out of LIAT, at all levels. All of them.
3. Remove the entire current Board and install new Board Members composed of intelligent and knowledgeable persons, with the primary required practical knowledgeset of how an airline should be run, give them the basic mandate and and let them be the overall deciders of where the airline should be headed.
4. Remove the current Executive of LIAT - no matter the cost, given what they are costing the shareholders now - and require the new Board to find qualified competent people with drive and imagination who can turn the airline around in less than six months.
5. Make it clear to the Board that their mandate is that the airline should at least break even.
6. The Board in turn is to make it clear to the executive management that their job is to turn the airline around, and that the airline should at least break even - or that they will lose their jobs. Executive management has no claim to tenure.
7. If the Board cannot get management to at least break even, then they will also lose their jobs. A Board has no claim to tenure either.
In short, turn LIAT over to real aviation professionals, and demand that they perform or be removed.
http://www.caribbeanavenue.com/aviation/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=19927
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)My family moved back to Miami in 1974 and I started working as a truck driver in '78, a lot of time spent around MIA.
It seems to me that in those days, during the winter months, PBA would fly those DC-3's down from Boston and run FL as well as Caribbean routes. Come May or so, they would head back north and fly out of Provincetown.
It was always kind of cool seeing those old taildraggers come in.
A friend of the family was a pilot for National, which got bought by Pan Am. National and Eastern were direct competitors for the Northeast to Florida traffic.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And there was AirCal...and Ozark...Air West \ Hughes Air West...Reno Air...Wein Air Alaska...Morris Air...Muse Air...MGM Grand Air...Pacific Express...Aloha...Republic...Pride...NY Air...Air Florida...People's Express...Value Jet...America West...
I'm sure I'm missing more, but I'm tired.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I'd fly on TSA but I'm afraid I'd be chained to the plane.
http://www.jetpsa.com/
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And some china...and the last timetables...and Wally Bird pins ("It's the ONLY way to fly!" and my models of the 73, 72 and DC10.
I still miss WAL...merged away on April 1, 1987.
IthinkThereforeIAM
(3,076 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 09:13 PM - Edit history (1)
... they were the best, free Smokehouse Almonds as inflight snacks! I still feel their flight attendants and operations from way back when would rival or beat any of the current airlines.
PS: This was in reply to the Western Airlines post up thread.
1939
(1,683 posts)I always called it Worstern. Back in my road warrior days, 75% of my trips began with or ended with Eastern on the Richmond-Atlanta run. Horrible and dirty looking cabin interiors. I always preferred to leave or return to Richmond on Piedmont which was a jewel of an airline even if those old YS-11 turbo props left something to be desired.
Mister Ed
(5,932 posts)Sis sure showed them. She's a captain with American Airlines these past twenty years.
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)My first flight was on North Central. (Didn't they later merge with Eastern?)
On later edit, no, they merged with Southern to become Republic. They did retain their Herman the Duck logo/mascot.
kcr
(15,316 posts)That's a blast from the past.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And the 727-100s..."Whisper Jet" my ass!
JHB
(37,160 posts)Teabaggers would pitch a fit over the "celebrate America" one for leaving out the "under God" part of the line from the Pledge of Allegiance. And using "E Pluribus Unum"? **GASP**Why does Eastern hate God??????
(Of course, that appeared to be a 1960s ad so the target audience -- people old enough and well-off enough to buy plane tickets -- would have been schoolkids in the 40s or earlier, before "under God" had been inserted, so it would have been the version they were familiar with.)
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)hlthe2b
(102,263 posts)If only we'd see the return of the Pan Am (of 'old')... when flying was once a pleasure...
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Flew them out of New York a couple of times. They made it cheap enough to go to London for a long weekend.
Ah, those were the days.
trumad
(41,692 posts)We flew all over the place...Europe, etc.
It died a very horrible death due to mismanagement. God I remember the last days----the worse airline service in history.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I will send this to him😊
He's long retired but I'm sure he will be happy to hear this.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Last edited Sat May 30, 2015, 10:03 AM - Edit history (1)
Stewart International Airport in NY. Many years ago there were chartered flights to Cuba until St. Ronnie said they should end. They were packed from the metro area.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)Although the press release says "Eastern resumes revenue flight operations tomorrow," that's misleading.
From the Wikipedia article about the new airline:
The new Eastern Air Lines operates out of Building 5A at Miami International Airport. The building formerly housed the system and maintenance control centers of the original airline.[6]