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OKNancy
(41,832 posts)that's why
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... you'll be voting for Paul in the primaries?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I think you meant the OP... ( otoh, I guess you are joking )
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The author of the OP is up to something, but who knows what. Your response was perfect.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I really struggle with brand new names that are stirring the mud.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I don't agree with supporting Rand Paul.
This is the last time I say this to you.
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Johonny
(21,054 posts)The thing is Obama wants it passed and Senators want certain provisions past, but not necessarily the whole act renewed. The split in what everyone wants has lead to the stand off. Even Rand Paul doesn't seem to know what parts he is for and against. At the moment it sounds like the data collecting is still going to be there, only it will be the phone companies keeping it and not the agencies the government hires...
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MineralMan
(146,374 posts)His dad, too.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)His pronouncements during the campaign season are meaningless.
Fuck Rand Paul.
Chemisse
(30,832 posts)But otherwise he is a complete asshole.
If we really feel strongly about this, we should be supporting this action, no matter who is taking it.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #14)
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)... why shouldn't I take them seriously?
I am a bad person.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Is that a hard concept?
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)So, out of the group of Dems plus Rand Paul, you chose to tell us to support Rand Paul, correct?
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peecoolyour
(336 posts)One could just as easily give McConnell credit for this. His ineptitude as Maj. leader is a major contributing factor.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)and join him to kill the Patriot Act, with the proposition that something must take its place?
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Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)The noise level around here would drop substantially.
NutmegYankee
(16,216 posts)Political alliances in a common cause may bring together those of widely differing views. Today we often think of politics as an "either/or" thing, but sometimes members of both sides don't split down partisan ranks.
The Patriot Act is one of those occasions.
uppityperson
(115,683 posts)Cerridwen
(13,260 posts)Here's a bit more from NYTimes:
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But unlike those fights, the Senates showdown this weekend over the future of the governments dragnet of American phone records is not a result of a partisan fracas. It is an ideological battle within the Republican Party, pitting the Senate majority leader against the speaker of the House and, in the Senate, newcomers against long-serving members, and defense hawks against a rising tide of younger, more libertarian-minded members often from Western states.
Senate leaders are expected to try to assemble a compromise surveillance bill on Sunday that can get the required votes to proceed before the authorizing law expires Monday. President Obama and his director of national intelligence, James R. Clapper Jr., added more pressure with sharp statements on Friday and Saturday calling for immediate approval of a surveillance bill passed by the House.
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Even if a compromise can be reached in a rare Sunday session in the Senate, all signs point to at least a temporary expiration on Monday of a key section of the Patriot Act that the government has been using to sweep up vast amounts of telephone metadata.
Last month, the House overwhelmingly passed a bill that would overhaul the Patriot Act and curtail the metadata surveillance exposed by Edward J. Snowden, the former contractor for the National Security Agency. But in the Senate, that measure failed on a procedural vote this month, and efforts to pass a short-term extension collapsed under objections by three senators.
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About the House version:
WASHINGTON The House on Wednesday overwhelmingly approved legislation to end the federal governments bulk collection of phone records, exerting enormous pressure on Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Senate majority leader, who insists that dragnet sweeps continue in defiance of many of those in his Republican Party.
Under the bipartisan bill, which passed 338 to 88, the Patriot Act would be changed to prohibit bulk collection by the National Security Agency of metadata charting telephone calls made by Americans. However, while the House version of the bill would take the government out of the collection business, it would not deny it access to the information. It would be in the hands of the private sector almost certainly telecommunications companies like AT&T, Verizon and Sprint, which already keep the records for billing purposes and hold on to them from 18 months to five years.
So for the N.S.A., which has been internally questioning the cost effectiveness of bulk collection for years, the bill would make the agencys searches somewhat less efficient, but it would not wipe them out. With the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, the spy agencies or the F.B.I. could request data relevant to an investigation. Corporate executives have said that while they would have to reformat some data to satisfy government search requirements, they could most likely provide data quickly.
The legislation would also bar bulk collection of records using other tools like so-called national security letters, which are a kind of administrative subpoena.
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As you can see, the Democrats are already working on it. It's not perfect; it's a start. It's also real rather than political posturing and grandstanding like paul and his ilk.
Well, if you think NYTimes is a somewhat more reliable than politico, you might see that.
This is a fight amongst repubs. Let them "eat" their own.