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(62,683 posts)elfin
(6,262 posts)Will keep this issue with the few others that have moved me to tears.
The one after 9/11 was also iconic.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)dmr
(28,347 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,703 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Thank you, Mr. President.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)simple but, duh! why didn't I think of that, sort of thing.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)It is nice.
I believe that Obama's announcement was, in a moral sense, the right thing to do.
However, I am not necessarily persuaded that it was the right thing to do from a political standpoint.
If it should turn out to cost Obama and the Democrats this election, we're all going to be hurting badly.
A number of prominent Democrats advised Obama, back in March, that if he was going to win this election he had to focus more on economic issues as opposed to social issues. OK, that's largely the Democratic establishment with whom we've had a few issues on occasion, but there are not total fools.
It is not as is we don't have economic issues to raise--not to mention such issues as international relations, immigration, environmental issues, etc.
While this may all be well and good, I don't think its going to win us the election either.
I certainly hope it doesn't hurt us in the election, but I certainly think that to win we must bring our primary focus to other matters.
I apologize if I've offended anyone; that is not my purpose in posting here.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)It is "well". It is "good".
It is right and just.
I don't know what it means politically either. The "battleground " states make me nervous.
We may have to trust in the fairness and maturity of the American electorate to figure it out.
Scary stuff... but sometimes that's how history is made.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)at least the President Obama that I have seen on the tv. I don't know who you are watching.
TBF
(32,056 posts)but you know what - that has been the problem for many years. Too many folks giving in, holding their tongues, afraid that we'll upset someone. Every time we do that it moves us to the right. And THAT does not help us "politically". So with all due respect I am going to celebrate our President's historic message and encourage him to keep moving left. YMMV.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)you have a valid point too.
So, go ahead, celebrate a bit, but let's try to keep the public focus on broader issues too.
I did say too, I'm not asking anyone to retreat on the point.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)What makes you think that the DU gay people or straight people can't think about all the issues at the same time? Because the majority of us are celebrating something historic and monumental you think we're forgetting everything else?
Give me a break.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)Compared to 45% who don't. The vast, vast majority of that 45% weren't voting for him to begin with, I'd imagine.
My purely political take on this: This will help the president. Gay donors will donate big to his campaign and other Democratic causes, young people are fired up again, and the only people who vote only against gay marriage were not going to vote for him anyway. It doesn't concern me that this may have pissed them off and motivated them. They were pissed and motivated to begin with. If Romney wants to make this about social issues and same-sex marriage, then he will lose on a LBJ-Goldwater scale. Obama is on the right side of history here, and he knows it.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)I guess the referendum in North Carolina, which is considered a swing state has me a bit on edge.
TBF
(32,056 posts)I know there is both real and faux concern out there, and the swing states are definitely a concern in my book. At the risk of sounding like our dear, departed Lozo I would suggest checking the Gallup polls this week, though. The numbers aren't bad ...
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx
Now his focus will go back to the economy - and I have to believe that does take 99% of his attention.
Have a good weekend.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)You made me feel considerably better.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The other night? Stewart showed Jeff Smith (I think) a top spokesman for Fox coming on the air and not being upset about the decision, but instead saying the President's decision was historic.
Then Stewart went on to show clips of so many RW news casters saying how deplorable it was that the President was using a popular issue to again win the WH. Not an "immoral" issue, or an "ungodly"
issue - their big beef right now is that the President has done something that is "popular." So they claim it is pandering.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)There had been worry that blacks and Latinos would pull away from Obama because of the same-sex issue, but I also read on CNN that Latinos and African-Americans approve of the measure in higher numbers than the general population. Personal observation from a lapsed Catholic: my family is a huge Latino Catholic one; I have a gay nephew and a lesbian cousin. For the most part, they all believe (the older ones anyway) in equal rights for gays except for marriage. The elders have brought into the one man/one women tripe of the Church. But, aside from groans of dismay after Obama's announcement and some "now-look-what-he's-dones", the rumbles died down pretty quick and it's back to bashing Republicans and Mitt as usual. Church doctrine on gay marriage isn't affecting their vote anymore than the birth control debacle did. Hopefully, other Catholics are being as sanguine about it as they are.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)help. It will help turn out kids, who, if polls are any indication, were not particularly energized. My only concern is is it too early. Obama's announcement would have been a great 'October surprise'. It can be re-energized if a big deal is made of inclusion in the DNC platform.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It gives people the opportunity to actually react and jump into the fray and dialogue and debate the issue of equality and it give it time to sink in and become more normal in people's thinking.
The Republicans have lost one of their biggest wedge issues this year. It's hurting them not to be able to use gays to instill hate and loathing and fear into their constituents.
Example: No one even cares that gays are allowed to openly serve in the military anymore and that was a debate that raged until just a very short time ago. People become used to things very, very quickly. The same thing happened with any minority that finally got their equal rights. The world didn't end. The sky didn't fall. God didn't strike out in wrath. Everything stayed just as it was before only with a little more equality.
With some luck the issue of marriage equality will be so last season by election time.
crunch60
(1,412 posts)Dems took a stand, in this case the it was President Obama. I commend him for that. It's a very important issue. I am also happy that he did not let politics get in the way of something he thought was about justice, fairness and equality.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)and the other responses to my post have persuaded me that my concerns were overblown.
And thnak you for your response too.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)K&R
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)... financially and socially and with new political empowerment to "come out" and appropriately support President Obama. Same for the rest of The Rainbow.
We may not all be George Clooneys, but we have a circle of influence...let's use it.
Franks1
(7 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)someone posted it before but i can't find it
TBF
(32,056 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)That's brilliant!
progress2k12nbynd
(221 posts)yet alot of people have to accept that it's not meant to be a liberal magazine, or a conservative magazine, it's a magazine period. I remember this cover which caused discussion on DU that was so vitriolic that it practically brought the forums to a halt for a few days back in 2008.
I love their satire; if we want to dish it we have to be able to take it too.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)That one act transformed the mood and atmosphere all over this country. It's similar to the feelings right after Obama was elected.
roscoeroscoe
(1,370 posts)so simple, so clean. great graphic~
Thanks,
crunch60
(1,412 posts)Beautiful, Inspiring Cover.
The Rainbow PUSH Coalition is the product of a social justice movement that grew out of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference's (SCLC) Operation Breadbasket. Founded by Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Operation Breadbasket sought to combine theology and social justice, and to effect progressive economic, educational, and social policy in America. In 1966, Dr. King appointed Jesse L. Jackson, Sr. to serve as the first director of Operation Breadbasket in Chicago, IL.