It's early, but

[Emily Grierson]

Hillary Clinton will probably win Iowa

Then she'll win New Hampshire

Then she will win South Carolina and Nevada

And on the first super Tuesday she'll win

Alabama
Arkansas
Colorado caucuses
Georgia
Massachusetts
Minnesota caucuses
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Texas
Vermont
Virginia

Then I expect Senator Sanders to drop out.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

1. If voters are blinded by glitz, gender and name-recognition...

you're probably right. Let's hope they're not blinded.

[Emily Grierson]

2. Nah, I think the voters overwhelming back Hillary Clinton.

It's awesome.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

3. ...because of glitz, gender and name-recognition.

No one can really articulate her positions because she hasn't articulated them herself. I'm not sure in what world that is considered "awesome."

[Emily Grierson]

4. She killed it in her speech.

She's loved. It shows in the polls.

Geez, if the world could nominate a President, it would be Hillary Clinton.

She's globally respected. I'm very excited that Hillary Clinton will more likely than not, be our next President. That is awesome.

[cali]

7. lol. she attracted the same number of people to her kickoff

as he did.

[Emily Grierson]

8. hahahaha

polls, Cali, polls

What is it? Clinton at 50+.

[cali]

10. hi mags

[WorseBeforeBetter]

15. Most definitely.

But less caustic.

[BrotherIvan]

35. Aren't socks during one's timeout a bannable offense?

Or just not if you support the inevitable?

[demmiblue]

71. I thought it was, until they gave BainsBane a pass. n/t

[Autumn]

83. It all depends on who the sock is posting for.

[QC]

97. BINGO!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

12. Name recognition.

Hell, an insane number of Americans can't, at any given time, name the Vice President. Hill's been in our lives for over two freakin' decades. Once voters get a better feel for Sanders and O'Malley, the gap will close. It's summer vacation... no one is paying attention at this time but political junkies.

[Emily Grierson]

16. Blondie had a song about that,

Dreamin' is free.

Hillary Clinton will be your democratic nominee.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

18. Just like she was in 2008, eh? (n/t)

[peacebird]

77. Little Miss Inevitable has one prob, the more people see of her the less they like her

Bernie's crowds keep growing! Sorry to rain on your pretty little coronation, but history says Hillary will crash & burn

[GoneOffShore]

79. She may be, but doubts are starting to creep in.

And people who understand her, and know her history have big doubts.

And probably because you didn't read this http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/opinion/sunday/frank-bruni-hillary-the-tormentor.html?rref=opinion&module=Ribbon&version=context&_r=0

Which you will no doubt dismiss.
I am also of the opinion that since this came out, some of the Democrats who thought HRC was inevitable are now having second thoughts. And when Super Tuesday is done, she will be gone.

LATELY I’ve been running into people even more put off by the Clintons than the nefarious operatives in the “vast right wing conspiracy” ever were. They’re called Democrats. I had breakfast with one last week. I’d quote him directly, but The Times doesn’t permit profanity.

He’s furious at Hillary and Bill, because they’ve once again created all these ugly, obvious messes that they could and should have avoided. He’s disgusted, because he has come to believe that they’re tainted.

He’s also resolute: He’s voting — even rooting — for Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. It's patronizing to our fellow Democrats to suggest they support a candidate...

It's patronizing to our fellow Democrats to suggest they support a candidate regardless of who he or she is because they know his or her name.

[jeff47]

82. It's patronizing to our fellow Democrats to demand they support a candidate....

just because she polls well 18 months before an election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

84. It is patronizing that you would suggest I am instructing others how to vote...

It is patronizing that you would suggest I am instructing others how to vote when I have been saying, ad infinitum and ad nauseum, that I don't give the proverbial shit how others vote.


Actually, it's doesn't fall as much in the patronizing category as it does in the making shit up about me category.

[jeff47]

85. It is patronizing to pretend your posting history started today.

Soooo many "if you don't vote for Clinton....SCOTUS!!!!!!" posts.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Find one post where I made that argument

When you can't it will just demonstrate you are making shit up about me.

[brooklynite]

92. Let's review 2008

Hillary Clinton ran against one of the best organized, best funded, most transformational candidates we'd seen in decades, and was hit with the same "warmonger"/"Wall Street lover" attacks and.....got as many votes (18 M) as he did.

And Bernie Sanders, nice guy that he is, is not Barack Obama.

[DonCoquixote]

69. Geez, if the world could nominate a President, it would be Hillary Clinton.

hawhawhaw
Indeed, thank in no small part to her tenure as SOS, the world would not trust America again.

then again, you probably forgot this:

[ladjf]

80. What was it about her speech that elevated your opinion up to

"She killed it"? What did you hear that led you to believe that the entire world nominate her for President?
What evidence do you have that shows that she is "respected" globally?

I wanted to hear signs of insight, compassion, leadership, love and courage. But, I was disappointed.

[treestar]

72. are you speaking for all of those voters?

They don't know their own minds?

[rocktivity]

23. Based on what?

None of that happened for Hillary eight years ago.


rocktivty

[rocktivity]

27. Eight years ago, not even Barack Obama was a Barack Obama

Last edited Mon Jun 15, 2015, 11:35 AM - Edit history (3)

And if you're going to run with the DU pack, you'll have to fuel yourself with something with more octane than the fumes of your best wishes.


rocktivity

[daleanime]

33. I've still haven't meet a voter in person.....

who's excited about voting for Hillary.

[cali]

5. probably, mags. oops, i mean emily

but not certainly and sorry, but she won't win Vermont. She isn't popular here at all. In fact, at the big hillary kickoff meetup here, hosted by the gov, mayor of Burlington, ex gov Kunin and other ocal luminaries only a handful of people showed up. And Bernie? Most popular pol in the state.

[Emily Grierson]

6. I'm quite certain she will win Vermont.

It's going to be a landslide.

[cali]

9. remember dean? he won here even though he'd dropped out by then

Bernie is far more popular here than dean ever was. And again, Vermonters see her for the flip flopping, untrustworthy hawk that she is. You may think you know my state better than I. I assure you, dear, that you don't. If there's one thing Vermonters loath it's corporate pols.

[Emily Grierson]

13. I like Bernie Sanders,

he does not stand a chance, though.

[NewSystemNeeded]

17. Why?

Because becoming President is an uphill battle for decent human beings?

[Emily Grierson]

19. I do like his economic message, but I'm not sure what he is trying to gain here?

Hillary Clinton is an exceptional human being. Her experience and track record completely overshadow Sander's record.

[cali]

22. exceptionally ethically challenged. exceptionally dodgy. yep, she's exceptional.

[Ken Burch]

28. Why do you think treating his candidacy as a joke helps your candidate?

Or disrespecting his supporters, for that matter.

You're way out of line here.

[quickesst]

61. you actually said that?

What? You got 90% of Bernie's supporters on ignore? Has to be one the best examples of a pot calling the kettle black as I've seen. And the beat goes on.

[Ken Burch]

63. I don't have 90% of Bernie's supporters on ignore. As a Bernie supporter, why would I?

Did you mean to post that in response to me?

[NewSystemNeeded]

11. You're not the only one who has that dream.

[Emily Grierson]

14. good luck with that.

[Emily Grierson]

20. kick

[Ken Burch]

31. You're not really supposed to "kick" your own posts.

It just looks tacky.

[bvar22]

95. ..and is also a strong indicator of the existence of a Sock.

It takes newbees a little while to learn the lingo .
This one has been here since........ yesterday,
and is already kicking his own threads.

[Bonobo]

21. Welcome to DU! How did you find out about us? nt

[BrotherIvan]

34. 90 days is too long to stay away!

[Bonobo]

37. Hi, Mr. Sock Puppet! Remember, kids, always try to change your posting behavior when sock-puppeting!

Even reflexive over-use of smilies can mess you up!

[BrotherIvan]

38. I hadn't thought of that one

I thought it was the one they pegged upthread. New member did seem to know Cali pretty well.

[Bonobo]

40. No. Mags was a better writer. Not a clear child. nt

[BrotherIvan]

42. I wonder if MIRT will be willing to find out

[Bonobo]

50. I believe "Emily" has been flagged for review. nt

[L0oniX]

102. PPR'd.

[beam me up scottie]

39. LMAO!

Literally, I laughed so hard I woke up the dogs.

[BrotherIvan]

41. Right?

[beam me up scottie]

43. Obvious sock is obvious.

[BrotherIvan]

44. Couldn't even get halfway through her own thread!

[beam me up scottie]

45. Didn't Queen have a song about that?

Another one bites the dust!

[BrotherIvan]

46. So much enthusiasm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6837774

[beam me up scottie]

48. Been there!

[BrotherIvan]

51. *chucklesmirk*

[Flying Squirrel]

25. Gosh

You're so smart.

[jeff47]

26. Just like 2008!!

Remember when everyone was predicting Clinton would win every primary in 2008? Ah, good times.

Clinton lost 2008 as much as Obama won it. Clinton had to provide mistakes that Obama could exploit. 2008's primary was her first seriously contested election, and she blew a 30 point lead via her mistakes and someone to exploit those mistakes.

And now she's running as "Inevitable (this time)." Kinda demonstrates she hasn't learned much from her failure.

[JI7]

36. what if Obama was not running ?

[jeff47]

76. Then one of the other candidates would have exploited the mistakes.

Whether or not that turns into Clinton losing in 2008 would depend on how well the other candidate can exploit those mistakes, along with that candidate's own positive actions.

She would have still blown most of her 30 point lead, since that lead was mostly name recognition. Whether she would have blown enough to lose has too many variables.

[SunSeeker]

29. Welcome to DU Emily Grierson.

[Ken Burch]

30. There's no reason to say something that arrogant.

Bernie is just as legitimate a candidate as HRC, and she can't really count on anything. She's simply another candidate. And she'll need the enthusiastic support of every Sanders supporter to have any chance at all-which she can't get if alll her supporters take your attitude.

If you like HRC, make the case for on the merits. No one is ever entitled to anything in politics.

[Tipperary]

32. Lol,

I think she got kicked out of her own thread.

[Ken Burch]

55. Her account is currently "flagged for review".

Probably some Jeb supporter stirring up shit on our side.

[cwydro]

96. I think it's a sock.

Others have pointed out some strong similarities.

[Ken Burch]

100. She's now been 'stoned. n/t.

[B Calm]

47. Is this NYC_SKP with a new handle and trying to be funny?

[akbacchus_BC]

52. He would not do that. Calm down!

[B Calm]

53. BS, LOL

[akbacchus_BC]

54. Looks like you here to pick a fight and get people banned!

Do carry on with your propaganda about NYC. Folks like you are not nice to chat with.

[akbacchus_BC]

49. What intrigues me is that a country with over 400 million people

has only two major parties, the Democrats and the Conservatives! Where are the Liberals who advocate for the working class as the Democratic party is always focussing on the middle class. Who is advocating for the working class?

[Kalidurga]

59. Bernie is

and he is all for the middle class as well. I have no problem with that.

[Dragonfli]

93. We no longer have such a party. Once the Democratic party was the party of labor until this:

Last edited Mon Jun 15, 2015, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12774832

Now we have a hybrid party that took the equality stances the party stood for and fused it with the economic platform made famous by Reagan and Thatcher.

It also appears as tho their Idea of middle class only includes six figure incomes as evidenced by Hillary's belief that raising the cap on payroll taxes (that caps it a around 100,000 dollars a year) and Obama's belief that much of bush's tax cuts had to be kept so that the middle class individuals in the 200,000 range and families in the 250,000 range would not be over taxed.

The other poster is correct, Bernie is working for the working class and the invisible (now) poor that neither party mentions except as a means to cut the budget.

Unfortunately, even in a Sander's administration, the workers and the poor would need an accompanying movement and more politicians elected that are willing to forgo the fortunes that are to be made by working for the comfortable and extremely well to do and vote to help pass his common sense working party values, he admits this fact and is challenging us to provide the movement and vote for the politicians required to save us from third world neoliberal exploitation of the working class and the starved euthanasia of the poor.

This will all have to happen within the Democratic party however because this is a two party system set up that way from the beginning, that is why he caucuses with the Democrats as do others that work for the working class and poor, most of which are already in the party (all is not bleak however because there are at least 90 to 100 such working people supporters that are ignored yet still present within the party)

[DonCoquixote]

56. Not that I can prove anyone is a sock puppet

but it says a lot about this season that some people had not even let their pizza get cold before they do the same annoying behavior.

[leftofcool]

57. Yep!

[corkhead]

58. you could have said the same thing in 2007, except change "Sanders" to Obama in your last sentence

[Exilednight]

60. You better check NH again. She's losing ground fast.

Sanders is 18 points behind her now, less than a month ago he was 40.

Where is he going to be in another month? Probably dead even, and then the race is on.

[Gothmog]

62. HRC has a ton of support in Texas

[KingCharlemagne]

64. How I long for an UNREC button - nt

[beam me up scottie]

65. Just click the op's 'profile' button.

It'll be just as satisfying.

[KingCharlemagne]

66. Scottie, I think this is the start of a beautiful friendship! ;) - nt

[beam me up scottie]

67. !

[NCTraveler]

68. You would most likely be correct if it were simply Hillary v Sanders.

You seem to be forgetting O'Malley. I am beyond impressed with O'Malley and his attitude seems to be infectious with his supporters. At this point they are running a slow and steady campaign of inclusion, not exclusion. A campaign of compassion, not hate and anger. A campaign of respect, not derision. He is going to gain favor every day. His support seems soft right now but that seems to be by design. They are working to make people feel included. Not as a fringe element of anger.

Watch O'Malley's numbers grow extremely slowly and steadily. They are taking a good approach and their public appearance isn't based in fear.

[FSogol]

73. Exactly. Counting all those states as a win for one candidate is a mistake.

Coming in 2nd in one the earlier races will give a big boost to a lesser know candidate's chances and can chance the next group of outcomes.

Remember the fable about counting chicks before they hatch?

[NCTraveler]

74. I remember the fable very well.

Seems many here, supporting different candidates, have forgotten. What you say about early states is so important. I like O'Malley a lot. I know of some of his supporters here on du and they are my favorite posters. They really are, for the most part, staying out of the negativity that is currently going on. They support by way of inclusion and speaking about the positives of their candidate. It is a long run approach. Not a right this second I can't breath approach.

[catnhatnh]

88. I'm sorry

I should not have ignored your candidate.

[NCTraveler]

91. I'm not sure I understand. You aren't the op.

Sometimes things move a little fast for me and the reason I miss things is obvious.

[DanTex]

70. At that point Sanders will endorse Hillary, and a lot of heads will be exploding.

[alcibiades_mystery]

75. Correct

[tkmorris]

78. Y'all be sure to ban the knitter of this sock too, mmmk?

[foo_bar]

94. I suspect they already did

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1393070

[magical thyme]

87. meh. time will tell who wins what.

Right now, Bernie is coming up very strong in NH polls, and drawing overflowing crowds wherever he goes.

And Bernie has only just begun. Whereas Hillary has been positioning herself to run and campaigning for how many decades?

[KamaAina]

89. Vermont?

This Vermont?

[brooklynite]

90. I don't expect him to drop out...

...I expect him to continue a low-profile, low-cost campaign to get his issues out, followed by endorsing Clinton just before the Convention.

[ladyVet]

99. Meh. My mother adores Hillary, and she's voting for Bernie.

I wouldn't be so quick to count him (or anyone else) out just yet. Lot of furlongs left in this race.

sniff sniff

I do smell socks, though.

[L0oniX]

101. He's not the only one who will drop out. Some people will not vote for anyone who is backed by...

those that brought this country into the worst recession ever.