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Tue May 15, 2012, 01:44 AM May 2012

Of Stereotypes and Labels (Teabag Edition)

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As a tolerant guy with a natural aversion to labels and stereotyping, I am nonetheless very prone to realism and reality – no matter how uncomfortable that reality is. So what to do when these two personality traits conflict? What do you say to yourself when a stereotype is obviously true, but you pride yourself on being as unbiased as possible? Well, in this case I’m going to come down easily on the side of reality and damn the consequences.

I’m talking of course about your average teabagger having less than stellar cognitive abilities. ‘It’s not nice to discount another’s viewpoint.’ We’re told. ‘You can’t just lump them all together as idiots, some of them are very educated.’ Then you hear them speak. How many arguments does one have to get into, online and in person before one admits the truth? It can be difficult for the naturally polite to stereotype, but in this case, it’s necessary. ‘Obama’s a Muslim, communist, socialist that is taxing us to death!’ ‘He wasn’t born in this country!’ ‘The illegals is what’s ruining the economy!’ ‘Enhanced interrogation isn’t torture!’ ‘FDR made the Great Depression last seven years longer than it should have!’ And on and on. The evidence is overwhelming.

“Global warming is a hoax by the scientists to get more money!” Gee, sorry I thought you were stupid. A quick trip through modern Tea Bag Nation (and there has been a decrease in media coverage and rally sizes since their heyday a couple of years ago) and one can see a disconnect from reality and a self-destructive embrace of the inane. Richard Mourdock who just recently defeated Senator Lugar in the Indiana Republican primary is a Tea Party candidate. He is just one person, but he illustrates nicely where these people stand. He wants to end the Departments of Energy, Commerce, Education, HUD, and the IRS. He thinks Ryan’s budget, which is a monument to greed and mean-spirited politics, doesn’t go far enough. He wants to be mentored by Senator Lee of Utah who thinks we need to end FEMA, child labor laws, food stamps and thinks Social Security and Medicare are unconstitutional. The House which has sixty-six members in the Tea Party Caucus and many more hangers-on, voted last week to cut money from the child care budget, food stamps, Medicaid and Meals on Wheels. For personal responsibility? Do they expect the children and elderly to get off their lazy asses and get a job? It’s like they moved into the role of cartoon villains.

There is an un-named phenomenon that gives rise to the dumbest person in a meeting of strangers, also being the loudest and most talkative. Is that what happened on a national level with the Tea Party? Maybe partially, but that is certainly not the main reason. As any casual observer of history can tell you, government power is upset by those who challenge the status quo. The difference between the way the Fox News led Tea Party rallies were greeted by the police and the way that Occupy Wall Street was greeted, will tell you all you need to know about who was threatening the status quo. And that is with the teabaggers threatening violence on a regular basis. “We came unarmed – this time!” was a common sign at their rallies. They are fighting to dismantle the public safety net, and deregulate business. The power behind the power must have been shaking in their boots. From laughter, I suppose. No, the teabaggers were not a threat to the status quo, they were pawns used by those in power to fight for the status quo, hence their rise to prominence.

What’s at stake here is the future of the nation. We cannot build a future that we would want to live in if we don’t invest in that future. Education should be free through college, not more expensive. Banks should not be allowed to gamble with the money of others, especially with limited or no oversight. Derivatives need to be heavily regulated, not ignored. We should be spending more on primary education and give the poor as well as the rich a fair shot at success. We should be investing more in our infrastructure and alternative energy, not less. We should be making our food supply, water supply and work environments safer. We should make our corporations pay their fair share of taxes, and have the energy companies pay fairly for the resources they take from publicly owned land. The Tea Party fights all these ideas that would help the country’s future. Cutting NPR and taking rights away from women just won’t build the past they are trying to recreate.

So, we have a stereotype which is obviously true. And although not every person in the Tea Party is in the conventional sense an idiot, many of the ‘smart ones’ are blinded by ideology. The end result is the same. What does it matter if the reason one can’t accept facts is because of not being capable of understanding them or because one refuses to understand them? (Don’t answer that, there is a difference, but for this discussion it’s rhetorical.) Liberals are often derided for looking down on the right for being slow. Sometimes, that label is deserved.

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Of Stereotypes and Labels (Teabag Edition) (Original Post) 20score May 2012 OP
I haven't decided suede1 May 2012 #1
Very nice essay. OnyxCollie May 2012 #2
Thank you! 20score May 2012 #9
My only contact with Tea Partiers is on TV or the Internet. Suich May 2012 #3
T-Partiers want the freedom to... Jamaal510 May 2012 #4
Well said, Suich. 20score May 2012 #6
...give the poor as well as the rich a fair shot at success... happerbolic May 2012 #5
My favorite line ihavenobias May 2012 #7
Thanks! 20score May 2012 #11
People who look at irrefutable facts and deny their existence hifiguy May 2012 #8
Excellent! LOL at "Gee, sorry I thought you were stupid." punkin87 May 2012 #10
Thanks! 20score May 2012 #13
40 years of unaltered hate radio and our talking points media have warped many a mind. Initech May 2012 #12
Exactly. And Faux put it into overdrive. punkin87 May 2012 #14
BEAUTIFUL, well said. Duppers May 2012 #15
Thanks Duppers! 20score May 2012 #16
Kick punkin87 May 2012 #17

suede1

(892 posts)
1. I haven't decided
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:43 AM
May 2012

Which sort irritates me more, the ones who are just not as bright and fall for it, but could be easily swayed, or the ones who are bright enough to figure it out and "fall for it" but at least know they are falling for it for personal gain.

I've had discussions with both, some more rabid than others, and they are all equally capable of leaving me wondering how it has come to this.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
2. Very nice essay.
Tue May 15, 2012, 02:53 AM
May 2012

Read this. I think you'll find it interesting.

The Nature of Belief Systems in Mass Publics
http://politicalbubbles.com/The_Nature_of_Belief_Systems_in_Mass_Publics_Converse_1964.pdf

Converse: The nature of belief systems in mass publics
http://wikisum.com/w/Converse:_The_nature_of_belief_systems_in_mass_publics

A great majority of people neither adhere to a full, complete set of beliefs which produces a clear ideology nor do they have a clear grasp of what ideology is. This is measured by a lack of coherence in responses to open-ended questions. Ideology of elites is not mirrored by the masses and voter revolt to a political party does not reflect ideological shifts.

Converse analyzes open-ended interview questions to measure conceptualization of ideology. He concludes that the liberal-conservative continuum is a high level abstraction not typically used by the man in the street because of response instability and lack of connections made between answers. There is no underlying belief structure for most people, just a bunch of random opinions. Even on highly controversial, well-publicized issues, large portions of the electorate do not have coherent opinions. In fact, many simply answer survey questions as though they are flipping a coin.

Suich

(10,642 posts)
3. My only contact with Tea Partiers is on TV or the Internet.
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:28 AM
May 2012

Over and over again, I hear them say they want "their freedoms back." Just once, I wish someone would ask them to which freedoms they might be referring!

I know a lot their complaints are fueled by talk radio and FOX, but, good grief, a little tiny bit of critical thinking would sure be nice!

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
4. T-Partiers want the freedom to...
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:13 AM
May 2012

-not have health care.
-be homophobic, Islamophobic, and xenophobic.
-inhale filthy air.
-drink polluted water.
-eat spoiled food.
-watch their bosses continue paying lower taxes than them (if they work).
-whine about fetuses being aborted while having no problem with the death penalty.

 

happerbolic

(140 posts)
5. ...give the poor as well as the rich a fair shot at success...
Tue May 15, 2012, 04:47 AM
May 2012

hell, i bet a lot, if not most people would just be satisfied toward living life non-destructively, given the opportunities to contribute in some way, and the ability to die in some relatively dignified manner, with the opportunity to not toil in misery & suffering. So much of what is considered success has been contorted in human evolution to achieve the high goal while laying waste to any sense of a trail that led to that success's mark.

ihavenobias

(13,532 posts)
7. My favorite line
Tue May 15, 2012, 11:52 AM
May 2012

"Cutting NPR and taking rights away from women just won’t build the past they are trying to recreate."

Well said.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. People who look at irrefutable facts and deny their existence
Tue May 15, 2012, 12:09 PM
May 2012

are delusional, or just plain to-the-bone morons. Most baggers and many repukes combine both traits.

That is all.

Initech

(100,075 posts)
12. 40 years of unaltered hate radio and our talking points media have warped many a mind.
Tue May 15, 2012, 03:32 PM
May 2012

What was that Frank Zappa quote about us being an entire generation raised on cartoons? That's what it's starting to feel like - and that's taking into account we elected two presidents who completely destroyed and dismantled our education system - I hate to see what the future produces.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
15. BEAUTIFUL, well said.
Tue May 15, 2012, 08:30 PM
May 2012

It is insanity that we're told that the election is as close as it is. Depressing.

I'm copying and sending the out 20score. Thank you!

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