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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEngravings of Female Genitalia May Be World's Oldest Cave Art
Since their discovery in 1994, the spectacular paintings of lions, rhinos, and other animals in southern France's Chauvet Cave have stood out as the oldest known cave art, clocking in at about 37,000 years old.* But there have been occasional sightings of other cave art that is equally ancient, although its dating has been more uncertain. Now a team working at another site in the south of France claims to have discovered what appear to be engravings of female genitalia that are as old as or older than Chauvet, possibly making them the world's most ancient cave art.
Homo sapiens first colonized Europe from Africa around 40,000 years ago. But until the early 1990s, there was little firm evidence that our species engaged in sophisticated artistic activity that early. Many archaeologists assumed that modern humans developed their artistic skills only gradually, culminating in spectacular galleries like the 15,000-year-old painted caves at Lascaux in France and Altamira in Spain. The discovery of Chauvet changed all that and convinced most researchers that early artists had brought their skills with them from Africa.
SNIP....
One key difference, White says, is that whereas the paintings at Chauvet are hidden deep within that cave and away from living areas, the depictions at Abri Castanet were on the rock shelter ceiling right above the spaces where prehistoric humans slept and ate, making them a kind of everyday and public art.
Harold Dibble, an archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania, says the team's dating of the vulva engraving appears sound because it cannot be any younger than the surface onto which it fell and might even be older. "The context of the find is quite clear," Dibble says. As for the long-standing tradition among archaeologists working in France of interpreting such images as vulvas, Dibble says, "Who the hell knows" what they really represent? Dibble adds that such interpretations could be colored by the worldview of Western archaeologists whose culture probably differs greatly from that of prehistoric peoples. "Maybe it's telling us more about the people making those interpretations" than the artists who created the images, Dibble says. On the other hand, he says, the repeated use of this image at other sites in the Vezere valley suggests that it was some sort of "shared iconography" that might identify specific groups of people. Indeed, archaeologists have also identified differences in the styles of personal ornaments and other artifacts that might also reflect different groups or tribes, much as people express their group identities by the way they dress today.
http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/05/engravings-of-female-genitalia.html
The artwork can be seen at the link on the photo on the right.
Looks like ancient aliens to me though
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)rfranklin
(13,200 posts)showing him one inkblot after another. The man responds, "That's a cock. That one's a cunt. That one's two people fucking..."
"Is that all you think of, sex?" asks the psychiatrist.
"Well, your the one with the dirty pictures!" says the patient.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Or early prostitutes advertising their wares. It is supposedly the oldest profession.
lob1
(3,820 posts)I think they found it in the San Fernando Valley.
LOL
Nostradammit
(2,921 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Someone get Catherine MacKinnon into that cave and SHUT IT DOWN!
Quantess
(27,630 posts)And then complain in Help & Meta that the jury voted to LEAVE IT.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I promised myself to stay out of H&M because of all the angry, rude, censor-zealots. That was good advice for myself.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)the apology was for giving you a link.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)It's a never ending popcorn fest over there.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)No magic powers. I was on the jury. And I said LEAVE IT ALONE!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean aside fom the obvious, i.e. it pissed someone off.
Can you post the results?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The worst part is, those Cave People had no community standards, either! FILTH! SMUT!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1240&pid=92337
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ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
Mocking Feminists and an entire DU Group dedicated to fighting a patriarchal system is bigoted and hateful. This is the kind of thing that really makes DU suck.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 15, 2012, 12:59 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Humorless, boorish alerter FAIL.
Leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No! This post is not "the kind of thing that really makes DU suck" it's alerts that ignore content and context. Leave the post.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I honestly can't tell what's wrong with it.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Geez Louise, this thread! What a freaking mess to wade through. This post is sarcastic but it didn't strike me as over-the-top. Maybe that's just in comparison to the rest of the thread. Oy.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: If alerter wanted to alert on the post s/he posted ("Mocking Feminists and an entire DU Group dedicated to fighting a patriarchal system is bigoted and hateful. This is the kind of thing that really makes DU suck.", s/he should have alerted on that post.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Given that post, the only people who would reasonably infer "that post is making fun of me" are precisely the people its talking about.
Scout
(8,624 posts)was there an actual point other than to paint yourself as the ...
well, you know.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Know that there is a smutty outcropping of 5,000 yr old patriarchal oppression that needs to be stamped out.
Just tryin to help!
zappaman
(20,606 posts)For your community service!
Scout
(8,624 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)How do you censor a stone carving?
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Like this:
Scout
(8,624 posts)much less a stone carving
why should i do anything about it?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I was addressing the entitlement mentality that some have which makes them believe that they have the right to tell other consenting adults what to do with their bodies, or what sort of consenting adult entertainment to watch. The entitlement mentality that causes people to try to censor pictures of sex or nudity, be it a painting, a photo, or even, yes, a statue (John Ashcroft, I'm looking at you)
I honestly don't know why pictures of nudity and sex bug some people so much. I don't know what motivates the censorious impulse over things like depictions of sexuality and sex, which have been around as long as people have made artistic depictions of anything.
But some people go absolutely flappy-armed bugfuck over their existence, even to this day. Frankly, it befuddles the crap out of me.
Scout
(8,624 posts)nice try though.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Last edited Wed May 16, 2012, 01:59 PM - Edit history (1)
I'm interested in hearing, from people whose entitlement mentality makes them believe they need to censor consenting adult depictions of sex and sexuality, what their rationalizations are, as well as what they propose to do about this 5,000 year old porn.
LetTimmySmoke
(1,202 posts)Drawing them in the sand in 5th grade. Memories.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)FSogol
(45,481 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,423 posts)I really enjoyed the Herzog film.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)Some cops will be breaking down your door for downloading kiddie porn!
yankeepants
(1,979 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)looks familiar ...
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Barrier Canyon pictographs (painted, not pecked) -- 500 BC to 500 AD
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)But maybe that's just my architectural orientation.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)LOL!
randome
(34,845 posts)God drew those genitalia yesterday just to throw us off the mark!
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)Probably some sex starved archeologist imagining things.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)... is just a cave.
guitar man
(15,996 posts)Duggar's Cave?
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)I have no idea what the cave is named, or even if it is deep enough to be called a "cave".
Here's the link. WARNING: Although these are mostly natural geologic formations, this link may be "Not Suitable For Work". Heck, they may be "Not Suitable For DU". But if they're good enough for the Great Turtle ...
http://thejetpacker.com/nature-porn-20-famous-penis-rocks-vagina-caves-and-breast-mountains/
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...in Utah.
Another interesting part of that site was the places he would visit if he had a jetpack.
http://thejetpacker.com/12-more-places-we-would-visit-if-we-had-a-jetpack/
Thanks again.
TYY
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She was brutally victimized by the phalloppressors who carved those filthy images.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)The Paleolithic period extends from 2.5 million years ago to the introduction of agriculture around 10,000 BCE. Archaeological evidence indicates that humans migrated to the Western Hemisphere before the end of the Paleolithic. It is the prehistoric era distinguished by the development of stone tools, and covers the greatest portion of humanity's time on Earth.
While most Paleolithic figurines are from the Upper Paleolithic, the Venus of Berekhat Ram found at Berekhat Ram on the Golan Heights is a Middle Paleolithic artefact of the later Acheulian possibly made by Homo erectus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_goddess
The Venus of Dolní Věstonice, one of the earliest known depictions of the human body, dates to approximately 29,00025,000 BC (Gravettian culture of the Upper Paleolithic era)
librechik
(30,674 posts)they may not know how to make art, but they apparently knew how to masturbate. Right over where they slept> that's where a lot of men keep their "girlie" pics.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Best line on the comments....
Archaeologists know what female genitalia looks like??? This news is definetly "breaking news".
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Body was drawing pictures of genitalia.
Sorry - it's just what's on our
Minds - a lot.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)that's it.
Can't really argue with that reasoning.
Lemmy
(15 posts)That's my importance list in the year 2012.
Well...maybe add beer as number 3.
4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)people haven't changed much.
malthaussen
(17,193 posts)I never knew...
-- Mal