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A medical report compiled by the family physician of accused Trayvon Martin murderer George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.
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The morning after the shooting, on Feb. 27, Zimmerman sought treatment at the offices of a general physician at a family practice near Sanford, Fla. The doctor notes Zimmerman sought an appointment to get legal clearance to return to work.
The record shows that Zimmerman also suffered bruising in the upper lip and cheek and lower back pain. The two lacerations on the back of his head, one of them nearly an inch long, the other about a quarter-inch long, were first revealed in photos obtained exclusively by ABC News last month.
But the report also shows Zimmerman declined hospitalization the night of the shooting, and then declined the advice of his doctor to make a follow-up appointment with an ear nose and throat doctor.
In addition to his physical injuries, Zimmerman complained of stress and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." But he was not diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with [sic] his psychologist for evaluation."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.T7NzN-u3ed4
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Can't decide if this is Zimmerman's personal family doctor or just a family doctor at a clinic based on the first paragraph
I owe a
(50 posts)The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with his psychologist for evaluation."
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)vaberella
(24,634 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I owe a
(50 posts)The doctor notes Zimmerman sought an appointment to get legal clearance to return to work.
Return to work? Thought he was unemployed? I hope this doe not mean as a captain of neighborhood watch :p
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)The video of him arriving at the police station belies the report from an examination allegedly on the following day. The doctor opened himself up for cross examination. A good lawyer should be able to rip him a new asshole.
madokie
(51,076 posts)badtoworse
(5,957 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)I seen the video at the police station, I read the report where he refused medical treatment. I also read that he wasn't seen for about a month after the murder so How can you question what I said with a straight face
This doctor is a fraud and I'm sure he will be shown to be such as this trial progresses
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)will have someone who is an expert at medical diagnoses from poorly focused video, like you are.
Really, folks, does anyone here think a doctor would put a medical license on the line for this? Unless the cops were extremely incompetant in a case involving a dead person, they had some reasons for not arresting GZ the night of the shooting, or even a few days after. We're about to see their reasoning, and we'll be able to Monday-morning quarterback it as it comes out. Ever since this case became a national issue, I've felt that it was going to turn out to be a disappointment for those who quickly were willing to hang GZ.
madokie
(51,076 posts)comes to mind as an answer to you
And yes there has many doctors who have lost their license over shit like this. Money talks bullshit walks.
Bacchus4.0
(6,837 posts)s
Bake
(21,977 posts)Just like they had a good reason for beating that homeless guy TO DEATH.
Just like they had a good reason to shove a broom handle up Amadou Diallo's rear end.
Just like they had a good reason to taser a grandmother over a traffic stop.
Just like they always have a good reason.
Pathetic. Simply pathetic.
Bake
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)Their supporters always say the same thing. He's a lawyer. He wouldn't risk his license. Well, you're right there. That's because the Florida Bar is crap and because around here people get bullied to shut them up.
I wouldn't use standard reasoning when it comes to professional licenses around here.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I guess you think of them in the same way. I know I don't, and I suspect most people feel that way, too.
There are a lot more lawyer-whores out there who will defend any position or defendent for a fee than there are doctor-whores who will pump up the Elvis Presleys and Michael Jacksons of the world full of drugs for money.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)And, yes, I've been harmed by a core group of Florida doctors who refused to admit that the primary physician's initial prescription created far more damage to my gastro system than they wanted to admit. Because they refused to make the proper diagnosis I would spend years trying to determine my own diagnosis. We even moved away from the area to find more competent doctors. So, I know for a fact that Florida's regulatory system is so flawed that it accepts casualties among its residents. They spend more time trying to diminish the lives of their victims, than they do challenging the status quo that continues the dysfunctionality.
Our whole world took a turn for the worst the day that Ralph Nadar stopped being a consumer protection specialist in order to sabotage the democratic candidate for president.
BTW, when a person loses that kind of trust in a system, it's lost for a lifetime. That is why I am here today.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And was overruled by the DA.
As to CSS, this ain't tv...my local pd, larger than Sanford, does not have a dedicated unit. Get's worst, it was shoddy police work, not even tape was placed around the scene and we know scene canvassing was mostly not done, and witnesses were coached.
As to the doctor...12+ hours...yup, somebody could break a nose that wasn't.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)I'll wait to see what comes out in the trial. I've had the kinds of injuries he was diagnosed with lots of times growing up and they're not always immediately apparent. If he had black eyes the next day, do you think the doctor is the only witness than can corroborate that?
madokie
(51,076 posts)you seem to forget that we didn't see hide nor hair of this murderer for weeks after the murder. This would have been his best defense if it was true so It is a fucking lie and you are, well I'll stop at that. I'm sure you can figure out the rest
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)To be seen in public would not have helped him nor would publicizing his injuries. There will likely be numerous people that can testify about the bruising and swelling on his face. The prosecution will probably stipulate that the injuries were apparent the next day.
In another news report, it seems that the coroner did find that Trayvon had injuries on his knuckles. The reality is that the two probably were fighting.
The problem is that you and many others on DU are convinced that Zimmerman just shot Trayvon in cold blood and don't want to deal with anything that might point to a different scenario. I still have an open mind and want to see what comes out in the trial.
madokie
(51,076 posts)You've been defending him for a while now. Shocked I tell ya', shocked I am.
Oh and the problem is you, not me and the others who have been following this murderer since he murdered a 16 year old kid in cold blood.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)Waiting for all the facts to come out before drawing a conclusion is defending him?
madokie
(51,076 posts)You're not waiting for shit you are defending the murderer and its pretty damn obvious.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)holy cow...it intrigues me when people state such assumptive silliness as fact..
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Just like Zimmy will have zero evidence proving that Trayvon inflicted any and/or all those injuries and that some of those injuries couldn't have happened after the murder.
I'm guessing there isn't one set time when bruises surface. I've had deep tissue bruises surface months after a severe injury...and other bruises appear within minutes.
Prove that somebody else didn't give him black eyes and break his nose.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)and first arrival officers reports? Even if a person declines medical attention the officers should have looked him over and reported their findings, further they would include any statements or complaints about pains he made. Until we know if the injuries he sustained happened at the time or after, we are all speculating. I suspect the police did note superficial injuries and this is a reason they believed he was acting defensively. Even if he sustained injury doesn't mean he acted lawfully, but there are a million guesses what happened until we know the whole story/see the evidence.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)It stated "minor injuries" as I recall. Obviously the full report will be available. Portions of the police report have also been published and it does note he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head.
He declined to go to the hospital at the time.
There are also public statements made by his father about how Trayvon supposedly slammed his head repeatedly into the concrete sidewalk and from his brother about how he was close to spending his life sipping food through a straw.
His injuries do not seem sufficient to support those descriptions, and do leave one wondering why they would make such wild claims. I would not be surprised if an enraged father beat him up after the fact, and then used the results to support the SYG defense.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Blood is everywhere and this murderer is not bloody when they take him to the police station. I call bullshit on this whole premise that you're on about.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Aside from the fact that there is not always heavy bleeding and the police report states that he was bleeding from his nose.
What I am saying is that nothing proves that his father or brother or a friend didn't break his nose AFTER he killed Trayvon and was released from the police station.
The doctor the next day may well have found a broken nose. There was AT LEAST TWELVE HOURS AFTER HE LEFT THE POLICE STATION AND BEFORE HE WENT TO THE DOCTOR WHEN ANYBODY COULD HAVE BROKEN HIS NOSE. HELL, HE COULD HAVE SLAMMED HIS FACE INTO A DOOR AND BROKEN IT WITHOUT ANY HELP.
Get it yet?
The presence or absence of a broken nose the next day makes no difference. Only radiographs taken immediately after the murder, and before he was released, would have supported his claim.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)...bleeding. There was no obvious deformation of my nose. My doctor ordered a CAT scan to see what was going on.
Two days later I looked like a raccoon.
madokie
(51,076 posts)so I can't speak in the first person. I've broken a nose and my son had his broken twice playing basketball and they all bleed profusely. Mybad that I took it that every time it was. Black eyes I've had and they started showing almost immediately
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Have a violent coughing fit while seated in a chair. Lose consciousness briefly, fall forward, and do a face-plant on a terrazzo tile floor.
Works great!
madokie
(51,076 posts)Probably not many more years left in my old bod
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)After he left the police station, if that video is accurate. I don't doubt the doctor, I doubt him.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)The only injury that would necessarily show up in the video are the cuts to the back of the head. Swelling and bruising would likely not be apparent until later. Don't know about the broken nose.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)At any time a quarter of our blood supply is in our head. Cut, crush or bruise veins in the head and that fact becomes evident very quickly.
Where's the EMT report? Was Zimmerman even examined on site? With those alleged injuries there was potential for concussion, internal bleeding, even brain injury. An untreated concussion can be fatal.
As usual this report just raises more questions.
madokie
(51,076 posts)You are totally wrong on this one but then again bad to worse kinda explains that. Doesn't it?
I accidentally broke a kids nose on the bus once in Junior high school and in ten minutes it was obvious that he had a broken nose and two black eyes. Before he even got off the bus.
fail
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)For whatever reason, it takes a baseball bat or more to bruise me. When I do bruise it shows up 24-36 hours later...
That's me...
edit: Same for black eyes...
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I never bruise. I mean punch to the face, 85 mph fastball on the bare shin, slapshot to the arm no bruise. I swell though. And it hurts like a bruise hurts (the few times I have bruised). No bruising when I had my wisdom teeth out. I *did* bruise at my IV site with one of my c-sections. It was so memorable that I had a bruise, that I remember it clearly, LOL.
My nose doesn't bleed either. Some guys on our senior boys volleyball team spiked right into my nose (I was standing under the net, it was between games in a tourney, i was on the girls team) and no blood. At all. I played a lot of shinny hockey back when no one wore helmets and got a lot of sticks in the nose. No blood. I have 4 kids and ask anyone who has kids how many times they've been head butted in the nose by a jumping toddler. Sinus problems, yes. Blood, no.
SO not defending GZ - I don't care if all this crap is TRUE (and I don't think it is) it still does not give one a reason to kill a 17 year old. Period. But I AM saying, it's possible to never bruise and have a nose that doesn't bleed. I'm a freak of nature that way I suppose.
obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)The swelling and bruising begins immediately. IMMEDIATELY.
And, even a casual viewer of boxing or MMA knows I'm not the only one.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)For example, the below from the Mayo Clinic. Perhaps they just haven't watched enough MMA.
Signs and symptoms of a broken nose may appear immediately or may take up to three days to develop. Signs and symptoms may include:
Pain or tenderness, especially when touching your nose
Swelling of your nose and surrounding areas
Bleeding from your nose
Bruising around your nose or eyes
Crooked or misshapen nose
Difficulty breathing through your nose
Discharge of mucus from your nose (rhinorrhea)
Feeling that one or both of your nasal passages are blocked
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/broken-nose/ds00992/dsection=symptoms
This doesn't prove or disprove the claim made by Zimmerman, but that's for a court and jury to decide.
Response to mythology (Reply #83)
obamanut2012 This message was self-deleted by its author.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)damaged nose still was pretty swollen within twenty minutes
We had one that did not bleed, was the fourth or fifth break in patient's life. On the other hand the racoon's eyes, the black eyes, and the swelling were obvious by the time we got to the ER. It was a boxing match, we were standing by. Oh that timeline was within half an hour.
Oh and the scalp bleeds.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)I played some hockey in school, saw plenty of head injuries and had a few myself. They usually bleed a lot, but not always and sometimes the swelling takes a while.
There will be all kinds of expert testimony and radiology presented as evidence, but I doubt anyone will be able to definitively state that Zimmerman's injuries were not caused by Trayvon. Considering that the coroner's report says that Trayvon had injuries to his knuckles, it seems likely to me that the two of them were in fact fighting.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Which is a good thing.
Bake
(21,977 posts)A sympathetic neighbor?
Maybe he did it himself with his pistol.
Bake
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I think that the family doctor is not going to hang it out for Zimmerman. What would be his motivations. The Zimmerman family is not the Rockefellers, Duponts, or Kennedys. Not near enough funds to buy witnesses like that.
My expectation is that it will be a tightly documented package that should be close to unassailable.
- Observations
- Imaging and a report by a radiologist (if done)
- Treatment prescribed/recommendations given
- Followup care
All it will do is document the injuries and the severity. I don't think it will really change things in a major way the way a lack of injuries would have.
sarge43
(28,941 posts)In other words, let evidence walk away. Where are the photos of those injuries? He sure didn't look beaten up on that police station surveillance cam.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)The police video clearly shows he had no injuries.
He may have made things worse for himself.
geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)must have caused damage to his hands - if he did it - and that is a big if.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)on Trayvon's hands
B2G
(9,766 posts)SANFORD, Fla.
WFTV has confirmed that autopsy results show 17-year-old Trayvon Martin had injuries to his knuckles when he died.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/autopsy-results-show-trayvon-martin-had-injuries-h/nN6gs/
Solomon
(12,310 posts)break Zimmerman's nose. And I stand by what the funeral director said. He may have been wrong, but that's what he said. Knuckle. LOL
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)He's covering his ass. He and the grandfather in the CIA are in this to cover this up, even though the grandfather has been dead. And the doctor is a quack. And my eyes are better viewing the ABC video than a doctors eyes.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)You have x-ray vision!
malaise
(268,982 posts)Fugg these LIARS
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)an unarmed teenager and shoot him in cold blood?
catbyte
(34,382 posts)He lost any right to use stand your ground the minute he took off after that kid.
Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Leo, Sophie, Taz & Nigel, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"We ride inside--HISS!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Is this new criteria? I hope not.
A broken nose , can be great bodily harm, and would then be justification for use of defensive force, including lethal force.
GBH
Is usually determined on a case by case basis,it will be up to a judge to determine if GZ had received GBH from Trayvon Martin in this case. If a judge finds that Z's injuries constitute GBH, I don't see this prosecution, getting past a SYG hearing.
spanone
(135,831 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)There should be no other explanation.
He killed a young man.
Oh and Trayvon had no bruises on him. I guess he hit Zim with his skittles
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Its in the latest released data
spanone
(135,831 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Data continues to come out in dribbles and drabs...
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)meanwhile Trayvon is dead.
spanone
(135,831 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)since Trayvon was doing nothing wrong didn't he have a right to stand his ground when stalked by a stranger?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I figured if he had a broken nose the EMT's wouldn't let him just go home. They would have said he needs to go to the doctor to get that fixed. What he if had factured bone loged some where.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)had been that injured the police would have demanded he go to the clinic.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I tend to think that the family doctor is not going to hang it out for Zimmerman and will have a tightly documented package that should be close to unassailable.
- Observations
- Imaging and reports by a radiologist
- Treatment prescribed
- Followup care
All it will do is document the injuries and the severity. I don't think it will really change things in a major way the way a lack of injuries would have.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I keep waiting for that one to emerge. I'd be shocked if crew did not demand one in the us of a.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)I want to see the report of the paramedics. If they spent only 7 minutes tending to Zimmerman's "wounds" I want to know what they saw at the scene when they assessed him.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)...and there was no evidence he suffered any physical abuse. That sick fuck killed an unarmed 17 year-old who he considered shady by his own faulty judgement. He even mitigated the situation by following Trayvon when he had no authority to do so. It's sick and incredible how much phony shit we hear from this kid...
OH to those who claim you don't bruise after a broken nose right away... you are full of shit!
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)Pretty easy to call multiple people flat out liars though.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Isn't there immediate signs there is injury? Normally aren't you forced to go to the doctor hospital just in case it could be a more serious injury?
obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)The former always bleed, and usually swell and bruise pretty quicker. Black eyes? Swelling, bruising and that red, raw flesh look is IMMEDIATE. If you are hit a certain way, under your eye will also "pop," and you'll have a huge gash.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)and defend them. Guess which one is morally reprehensible?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)I know, I have. I'm not saying this is not truthful. But let me say that I find it suspect---because I have had experience of getting days off work or delayed college exam I wasn't ready for because of a family doctor.
B2G
(9,766 posts)And your examples are a bit more benign than asking them to alter evidence in a shooting investigation.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)The dad didn't know until like a day or two days later. And you're telling me you've never taken a day off work but you needed a doctors note and just asked your local doc to hook you up? Wow, I figured that was a part of life.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Probably because I would feel too guilty asking someone to lie for me. But that's just me.
Just curious...is everyone even marginally involved with Zimmerman guilty until proven innocent?
vaberella
(24,634 posts)He's not innocent of killing an unarmed kid. That is evident. Your post does not disprove this. If you claim he killed the kid in self defense. Then you are stating that Stand Your Ground rules, not only apply here but are justified and the kid then deserved to die. Ultimately, Zimmerman felt this hence the reason he did what he did. And if he did do it in self defense and he was justified in the killing, then why did he instigate the confrontation? There is no denying he did considering the boy was closer to his home than Zimmerman was to his car. Secondly why would a kid go back and attack Zimmerman as he claimed, when the boy was on the phone with his girlfriend at the time and the phone records prove that. If the confrontation was instigated...who do you think started it?
From my perspective it is the person with the weapon because he had no need to even follow the boy. He had no reason to even leave his car. He called the police. If there is one entrance into the complex then Zimmerman was located in close distance to that entrance or could have stayed near the entrance until the police showed up.
I need to figure out. What he is innocent for exactly? That you're telling me he's innocent until proven guilty. Is he innocent of Second Degree murder? Then you have a claim of innocent until proven guilty, and from what I can see...no one on this thread is denying that he might be innocent of that charge. But is he guilty of killing if not murder...by his own admission he already claimed that guilt.
marmar
(77,080 posts)........... sounds akin to an ethics report compiled by Richard Nixon's personal attorney.
Some of the posts in this thread are very illuminating.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)You're supposed to act fooled.
Same names, with a couple of new ones.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)Well, actually thats three words. The word "compiled" smacks of building a case. What's all the "compiling" about?
librechik
(30,674 posts)what skin do they have in this game?
B2G
(9,766 posts)Oh the horror.
marmar
(77,080 posts)In other words, acting as a dictation service rather than checking out the veracity of claims. Joseph Pulitzer's nightmare.
B2G
(9,766 posts)"A medical report entered into evidence stated that he had black eyes and a broken nose, but frankly we think the doctor is lying and should lose his license to practice?"
Solomon
(12,310 posts)trial hasn't even started yet and here you are elevating this bullshit to "entered evidence". Do you know anything about criminal trials at all? You can't just "enter evidence" willy nilly. It's subject to cross-examination and a ruling by the court before it becomes admissible as evidence. If ABC is indeed reporting it that way, then they are deceiving the public.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)that maybe/kinda/sorta showed injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head if you looked really hard; and ran with it like it was honest-to-god fact
in the good old days of journalism, this used to be called "making shit up", so ABC's record on their reporting of this case is less than stellar
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)I suspect someone connected to Zimmerman has a contact at ABC and is forwarding info favorable to the defense to that network but no one else. Funny how the supposed liberal bias goes out the window when an exclusive story is involved.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Everything they are reporting is part of the court record. Maybe his minions have connections there as well!
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)"obtained exclusively by ABC News ". What's your theory now, they're the only news outlet reviewing the court record?
B2G
(9,766 posts)It's a matter of public record. That ABC might have gotten them first means nothing. Every media outlet out there is trying to scoop the others. ABC won this time.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)'obtained exclusively'. Yet the other posters in this thread who say thay can't be trusted are wrong.
B2G
(9,766 posts)than his Florida counterparts. That's what journalist do...establish contacts, follow leads and scoop their peers.
It's been happening forever.
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)happens to be someone close to Zimmerman, as I suggested in my OP
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)Some people obviously found it interesting. What part of that was unclear?
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Maybe Trayvon fought back after a gun was brandished.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)there always have. People do not do it on purpose it just sometimes happens. It is not a contest. I'm sorry I didn't see your post before I posted mine, I did try to look and see if there was already one up though.
I must admit, and I've seen others say this before, it is rude to confront someone over things like you did. And I did take offense,.
Peace, LS
Kingofalldems
(38,454 posts)I have certainly taken one.
reflection
(6,286 posts)He should be able to look at that grainy ABC News video, as well as Trayvon's gravesite, and immediately ascertain the condition of each of them the night of the conflict. He's remarkably omniscient that way.
JVS
(61,935 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It could be legit...I mean 12 + hours is long enough for somebody to break a nose.
As to the black eyes...yup, normal with a broken nose.
The court should order an x-ray. They will be able to tell if that was a recent break, or even if there is one.
And if the X-ray is clean...that's a problem.
Hmmm I hope EMT crew obtained an AMA.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)That would also provide a radiologists report as well. I also assume the EMTs did the paperwork.
There is more to come on this as both sides try this issue in the media.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)I have a hard time seeing a family doc hanging himself out on this one. No reason to and the Zimmermans are not wealthy enough to buy someone.
I really do not think the trial will hinge on this.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Its not like the Zimmermans are a long term Florida family or as wealthy as the Duponts. Anything the doc does will be rigorously analyzed. This is not decisive material regardless.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)The question is, why did Norm Wolfinger make the decisions he made? That's where it gets tricky.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)all this does is muddy the water.
Take the doc's report, analyze it to see if it conforms to standards of care AND other available data. Only if it does not in an indefensible manner should we head done the conspiracy route.
Occam's Razor anyone?
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)to hush up the very fact that conspiracies do exist.
I'm just sayin, I wouldn't rule anything out.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)for reporting it on record.
If I were him I'd take a couple weeks off.
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)Are we at the point where a doctor should fear reprisal for doing his job?
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)If the doc did a professional and appropriate job there should be no repercussions.
Some professional poutrage pushers might consider coming after him, but then nothing could stop those who have no shame.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)According to the report, prior to the shooting Zimmerman had been prescribed Adderall and Temazepam, medications that can cause side effects such as agitation and mood swings, but in fewer than 10 percent of patients.
http://www.drugs.com/temazepam.html
Temazepam is used to treat insomnia symptoms, such as trouble falling or staying asleep.
Temazepam may also be used for other purposes not listed in this medication guide.
http://www.drugs.com/adderall.html
Adderall is a central nervous system stimulant. It affects chemicals in the brain and nerves that contribute to hyperactivity and impulse control. Adderall is used to treat narcolepsy and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
Both are potentially addictive. And neither should be taken with alcohol. But of course they didn't bother to do an alcohol test on the killer, did they?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Let's even grant that Tray was a modern day Mike Tyson, despite his size. Let's give him a Black Belt, a UFC championship, and four tours in Iraq.
As the folks in the Boxer Rebellion learned, the best martial arts in the whole world do not mean JACK when someone has a pistol on you. White Belt in Gun beats Black Belt every time.
It is a FACT that, despite the CLEAR RULES of neighborhood watch, that Zimmerman had the gun, and brought it to the scene.
It is a FACT that the Police dispatcher told him NOT to follow, to let the Police take care of the situation.
It is a FACT that Zimmerman had the rap sheet for beating his girlfirend and assaulting cops.
It is a FACT that he had called the cops dozens of times, all on young black males.
And even Nancy Grace heard the comments about "fuc__ing C--Ns" that he felt free to make KNOWING DISPATCHERS TAPE YOUR CALLS.
Now, before people laugh, tell me, if someone had followed you, cornered you, and threatened you with a GUN, that you would not use any hand to hand combat skills to defend yourself? It is up to ZIMMERMAN, who brought the gun into this, to prove his life was in danger, a burden of proof that should be heavier considerign he likes to HIT COPS and WOMEN.
But of course, that is NOT what this is about. This is about the GOP trying to tease all the scum with the hope that any white person can put a black male in his place, the revival of what used to be called the 'sundown" law, where Blacks out in the street after dark would be killed.
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)... and it seems like you are fitting facts to a personal theory.
Solomon
(12,310 posts)now officially outnumber white babies. At bottom, this is what this crap is all about. We're back in reconstruction days when the KKK rose up to terrorize the majority black population down south, only now it's happening all over the country. It's not the KKK anymore. It's Stand Your Ground laws and the license to kill black males at the slightest provocation. That post is dead on.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Is that what you call documented facts?
belcffub
(595 posts)Now, before people laugh, tell me, if someone had followed you, cornered you, and threatened you with a GUN, that you would not use any hand to hand combat skills to defend yourself?
Now prove that zimmerman threatened him with a gun instead of pulling the gun out after he was attacked and on the ground... which I'm not saying is what happened... but if he is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt that is what you must do... if you can't then he walks
It is up to ZIMMERMAN, who brought the gun into this, to prove his life was in danger, a burden of proof that should be heavier considerign he likes to HIT COPS and WOMEN.
thats not how our system works... do you want to have a criminal justice system that works under a guilty unless proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt assumption...
"better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer"
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Innocent until proven guilty, eh? It seems obvious Zimmerman made a judgement of Martin;s guilt, which his talk of "fu--- oons" "they always get away."
you said:
"thats not how our system works... do you want to have a criminal justice system that works under a guilty unless proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt assumption..."
Funny thing is, when you have a rap sheet that includes violence, it does affect reasonable doubt, because it is reasonable to assume that someone that was violent will be violent again. And while we are at it, let's see how many of the people he called about were not black males?
you said:
"Now prove that zimmerman threatened him with a gun instead of pulling the gun out after he was attacked and on the ground."
Oddly enough, I do not have to, Mr. Zimmerman is the one who needs to prove why he felt his lif is in danger, especially as he is the one that initated the pursuit. SYG mans just that, you stand the ground where youa re, not get out of your car, against the orders of the police dispatch, and stalk someone (which the phone records indictate he did, martin complained on his cell phone that he was being followed, and used the terms "I am not going to run, but walk fast."
.". which I'm not saying is what happened... "
But you sure want to plant that seed knowing that white people are trained to fear Black Males.
belcffub
(595 posts)innocent until proven guilty is only in a court of law...
I am pretty sure that zimmerman profiled martin... had a history of it...
you said:
"Now prove that zimmerman threatened him with a gun instead of pulling the gun out after he was attacked and on the ground."
Oddly enough, I do not have to, Mr. Zimmerman is the one who needs to prove why he felt his lif is in danger, especially as he is the one that initated the pursuit. SYG mans just that, you stand the ground where youa re, not get out of your car, against the orders of the police dispatch, and stalk someone (which the phone records indictate he did, martin complained on his cell phone that he was being followed, and used the terms "I am not going to run, but walk fast."
the prosecution will need to prove this... if they can't he will walk... Zimmerman has injuries consistent with what he was saying from the beginning...
and your making up your own interruption of SYG... dispatch said they do not need him to follow. They never ordered him to do anything. he got out of his car (a totally stupid thing) and confronted martin... no one knows what was said.. could have asked him for skittles for all we know... then a fight started... again we have no idea who started it... your guess is as good as mine...
.". which I'm not saying is what happened... "
But you sure want to plant that seed knowing that white people are trained to fear Black Males.
no I'm giving you reasonable doubt... which is what's required for zimmerman to get off...
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Or should he have just stood there so Zimmerman had an easy target?
obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)I honestly believe quite a few people, and even some on here, don't think he did.
What would you do if some creepy guy was following you in the rain and dark? Yeah, so would I, and so would everyone else trying to deflect blame onto Trayvon.
Rex
(65,616 posts)was commited OR I can believe what my eyes saw on the police cc system, right after the murder.
WOW...and the FBI is looking at charging Zimm with a hate crime! GO FBI!!!