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liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:16 AM May 2012

I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one - Wal-Mart sued for prank pulled by 16 year old customer

Walmart sued for 'all black people must leave' prank
A black man is suing Walmart for $1 million in damages, claiming he suffered emotional distress while he was shopping at a store in Washington Township, N.J. On March 14, 2010, a voice came over the PA system announcing: "Attention Walmart customers: All black people leave the store now." A manager quickly took control of the microphone and a 16-year-old boy was later arrested for the prank. Donnell Battie's lawyers claim the megastore was negligent and reckless in allowing the incident to occur, and that he suffered from a number of psychological disorders as a result.

http://now.msn.com/now/0516-walmart-black-announcement.aspx

How can Wal-Mart be responsible for something a customer does in the store?

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I have to side with Wal-Mart on this one - Wal-Mart sued for prank pulled by 16 year old customer (Original Post) liberal N proud May 2012 OP
The store should Meiko May 2012 #1
A but they do liberal N proud May 2012 #2
It depends on the system Forward2012 May 2012 #4
at the two wal marts I worked for Maine-ah May 2012 #35
"Attention, Walmart shoppers!" randome May 2012 #37
You hang-out near the phone and watch an employee enter the code. n/t Ian David May 2012 #20
It's Walmart's 'fault' perhaps. randome May 2012 #3
Wow, people like you disappointment! n-t Logical May 2012 #10
Why? Meiko May 2012 #44
Possibly so, however, they should subrogate against the boy and his family. Baitball Blogger May 2012 #22
The kid is a jerk and... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #5
I00% agree! This is NOT walmarts fault! Wish I was on the jury!! Logical May 2012 #8
no sympathy here... lame54 May 2012 #6
LOL, this was not walmarts fault! Jesus, people are not logical! Logical May 2012 #9
missing the point... lame54 May 2012 #12
I think your point is very clear liberal N proud May 2012 #13
and i'm not responsible for who wrongfully sues them... lame54 May 2012 #16
You're not responsible because you have no power one way or the other. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #23
Go Walmart lame54 May 2012 #32
So, because I don't support Stalinism I must be a Czarist Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #36
Ok - I'll go with that... lame54 May 2012 #39
It means you're relying on a false dichotomy. Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #40
you are standing up for the defendant... lame54 May 2012 #43
you are defending them qazplm May 2012 #18
Then let it play out in the courts and see what happens. Bake May 2012 #28
Well, now HERE'S a lawsuit that's destined to go a long way. Buns_of_Fire May 2012 #7
Your avatar causes me emotional distress. randome May 2012 #15
My team of lawyers has advised me to accept your settlement. Buns_of_Fire May 2012 #17
Your username mocks those with hemorrhoids. Expect a class action suit! Kaleva May 2012 #24
I will gladly serve as a class representative!! Bake May 2012 #29
Count your blessings. At least you didn't end up with AWSD... pinboy3niner May 2012 #31
Store-wide speaker systems are easy to use, it just LeftinOH May 2012 #11
why even sue? Blue_Tires May 2012 #14
Because there is money to be had Amaril May 2012 #30
As much as it pains me to admit, I agree obamanut2012 May 2012 #19
That Mitt Romney is getting out of control with his pranking. n/t Nuclear Unicorn May 2012 #21
They've got the money sharp_stick May 2012 #25
Have to agree that Walmart isn't at fault here - lynne May 2012 #26
This is BS, the definition of a frivolous lawsuit, hifiguy May 2012 #27
Stupid prank, stupid lawsuit. Remmah2 May 2012 #33
Wanting free money isn't a psychological disorder 4th law of robotics May 2012 #34
Plaintiff is a sad, opportunistic POS. -..__... May 2012 #38
Wal-mart has a burden of limited responsibility in providing a safe environment for customers jp11 May 2012 #41
I remember that incident. frivilous law suit. Liberal_in_LA May 2012 #42
 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
1. The store should
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:36 AM
May 2012

have controlled the access to their PA system better. It's hard to believe that they don't have any better security than to allow anyone to make announcements unchecked. What if this kid would have yelled "fire" and panicked everyone, possibly causing injuries to someone. This is Walmart's fault.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
2. A but they do
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:41 AM
May 2012

They have codes they are supposed to enter. The questions is how did the kid get on the PA.

 

Forward2012

(14 posts)
4. It depends on the system
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:44 AM
May 2012

I worked at Sams Club (which is the country club of Walmarts). We had the same PA system. Basically you pick up one of the phones and hit the 'loudspeaker' button. No codes needed. Im not sure if other stores have a code-system or if there is a company wide standard for phone/PA systems. It could happen though.

Maine-ah

(9,902 posts)
35. at the two wal marts I worked for
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:21 AM
May 2012

this is back in 1992-1995, Maine and Florida, we had codes on the phones. The codes were the same for all the stores. Not that hard to figure out, and many of the phones had the instructions on them for different extensions, and for the intercom system. All these years later, the code is still the same at the Maine store I worked at. I've been tempted many many times.....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. "Attention, Walmart shoppers!"
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:35 AM
May 2012

"For one hour only, everything is FREE!!!"

Something like that?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. It's Walmart's 'fault' perhaps.
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:42 AM
May 2012

But it is not a million dollar fault. And 'faults' like this can be corrected. That's the only reasonable outcome.

 

Meiko

(1,076 posts)
44. Why?
Wed May 16, 2012, 02:05 PM
May 2012

Walmart should be able to control their assets. I don't think it's a million dollar screw up but it needs to be looked at.

 

Cave_Johnson

(137 posts)
5. The kid is a jerk and...
Wed May 16, 2012, 07:48 AM
May 2012

A reasonableness standard applies...

The guy who is suing is a scumbag looking for a payout.

lame54

(35,290 posts)
12. missing the point...
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:10 AM
May 2012

i don't care if it's walmarts fault

I wouldn't lift a finger to defend those scum-bags - and that includes writing an OP

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
13. I think your point is very clear
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:13 AM
May 2012

Wrong perhaps, but very clear.

Just because a large corporation has no heart, even though they have been declared a person, that does not make them responsible for the actions of mindless person, who is not associated with the company.

lame54

(35,290 posts)
16. and i'm not responsible for who wrongfully sues them...
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:20 AM
May 2012

it is not my place to publicly defend them

their team of lawyers will probably flick him off like a flea

but - this is their fight - and if they lose it - fuck 'em

with all the people they screw on a daily basis they don't deserve the defense of anybody here

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
36. So, because I don't support Stalinism I must be a Czarist
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:30 AM
May 2012

And all this time I've been told reflexive, uncritical, bumper-sticker argumentation was the exclusive province of conservatives.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
40. It means you're relying on a false dichotomy.
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:14 PM
May 2012

Speaking against a perversion of justice is not defending Wal-Mart, it's speaking out against a perversion of justice.

lame54

(35,290 posts)
43. you are standing up for the defendant...
Wed May 16, 2012, 01:15 PM
May 2012

the defendant is walmart
therefore:
you are standing up for walmart

i agree that you are speaking against what you see as a perversion of justice
but there is no way you can subtract walmart from this equation

there is injustice all around us - we can't possibly fight it all

we have to pick our battles

there is no way I'm picking this one

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
18. you are defending them
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:59 AM
May 2012

its about rule of law and the right result, not who the individual defendant is.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
28. Then let it play out in the courts and see what happens.
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:04 AM
May 2012

That's what the "rule of law" is all about. Funny, but it seems like it's always the Pukes who cry about the "rule of law."

So let it play out. That's what the rule of law is all about.

Bake

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
7. Well, now HERE'S a lawsuit that's destined to go a long way.
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:00 AM
May 2012

Someone once said something mean to me here, and it caused me much "emotional distress," leading to numerous "psychological disorders" and uh... the heartbreak of psoriasis, too. (Yeah, that's the ticket.) Therefore, I'm suing everyone here for a zillion dollars for letting it happen.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
29. I will gladly serve as a class representative!!
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:05 AM
May 2012

Buns of fire, indeed!

Preparation H, anyone?

Bake

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
31. Count your blessings. At least you didn't end up with AWSD...
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:18 AM
May 2012

'Attention WalMart Shoppers' Disorder.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
11. Store-wide speaker systems are easy to use, it just
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:05 AM
May 2012

takes someone with enough nerve to use it. Wal-Mart is not at fault.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. why even sue?
Wed May 16, 2012, 08:16 AM
May 2012

1. The voice on the PA should have been easily recognizable as a 16-year-old

2. Like 99 percent of 16-year-olds, I don't think he'd even be able to finish the 'announcement' without snickering...

Amaril

(1,267 posts)
30. Because there is money to be had
Wed May 16, 2012, 10:14 AM
May 2012

Walmart will undoubtedly pay the guy -- and his attorney -- something (not a million or even close to a million), because it will cost them far less to make a "nuisance" settlement than to defend it thru trial.

Squeaky wheel.........grease.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
25. They've got the money
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:41 AM
May 2012

the kid doesn't. First rule in hiring a lawsuit lawyer is find one that will go after the cash.

Not only that there's a better chance that a big company will settle before it's realized how idiotic your lawsuit actually is.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
26. Have to agree that Walmart isn't at fault here -
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:48 AM
May 2012

- We would feel differently about this case if this occurred at a small mom and pop shop. To want to make Walmart liable and pay for something that was not their fault isn't justice - it's vigilantism.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
27. This is BS, the definition of a frivolous lawsuit,
Wed May 16, 2012, 09:57 AM
May 2012

and I am (1) someone who doesn't make that accusation lightly; and (2) a plaintiffs' attorney.

The standards for infliction of emotional distress are quite high and usually involve things like lying, libel, slander and the like. If I were a judge I would bounce this claim, should it be filed, on Rule 12 grounds - failure to state a claim upon which relief may be granted, and then sanction the hell out of any lawyer dumb enough to bring such a claim. Wal-Mart isn't responsible for the conduct of the public unless it involves something vastly more egregious than this. "Psychological disorders" my ass.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
33. Stupid prank, stupid lawsuit.
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:02 AM
May 2012

Make the kid do a million hours community service in a local soup kitchen and attend ethnic sensitivity training.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
34. Wanting free money isn't a psychological disorder
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:15 AM
May 2012

How about you get to lash the kid X amount of times. Until you feel better.

I think that's a fair solution.

 

-..__...

(7,776 posts)
38. Plaintiff is a sad, opportunistic POS.
Wed May 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
May 2012

No wonder people are angered and frustrated by the current legal system.

suffered from a number of psychological disorders as a result.


Gimme a break.

I agree "fuck WalMart"...fuck WalMart if they cave in and settle out of court and pay out even one cent.


jp11

(2,104 posts)
41. Wal-mart has a burden of limited responsibility in providing a safe environment for customers
Wed May 16, 2012, 12:25 PM
May 2012

to shop. This includes having security and employees that aren't mentally unbalanced/dangerous/etc. They are far more limited on their control of other customers but have to have SOME methods to prevent the customers from attacking each other.

As far as this incident walmart is only to blame in so far as they should have had better control of the PA system assuming one of the employees hadn't left it unsecured/easily accessed by anyone.

Now this person is not entitled to 1 million dollars for that outburst of a stupid kid. It would have been nearly identical had the kid brought in a megaphone and said the same thing, or had a personal amplified, or worse if he had said something more offensive and racist. Is Walmart to blame then, when he isn't using their property/equipment no they are not. They should react when employees are aware or informed of that kind of behavior to eject the customer or call the police.

I don't know if the customer suing had issues in another country or was the victim of racial attacks as those are pretty much the only ways I can see claiming emotional distress to the tune of $1 million dollars.

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