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bluesbassman

(19,378 posts)
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:31 PM Jul 2015

Road rage fail.



Apparently the motorcyclist was splitting lanes and the motorist took offense. Aside from the obvious warning that getting involved in a road rage incident is ill advised, this unhappy motorist ignored the rule to never punch somebody in the head when they are wearing a fullface helmet.

Glad to see nobody was seriously injured and hoping this guy gets some anger management counseling.
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Road rage fail. (Original Post) bluesbassman Jul 2015 OP
Both people need to be cited. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #1
Why does the motorcyclist need to have his license revoked? uppityperson Jul 2015 #2
Splitting lanes is incredibly dangerous and unlawful. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #4
Do you also advocate losing a drivers license for running a red light as that is incredibly dangerou uppityperson Jul 2015 #12
It's not illegal in many places. MineralMan Jul 2015 #15
It's actually only legal in CA sir pball Jul 2015 #22
I'd never split lanes. I don't ride any longer, but MineralMan Jul 2015 #23
I'll only do it in very limited situations sir pball Jul 2015 #34
It's almost entirely ignored in NYC. sir pball Jul 2015 #21
What is the time of that admission? jberryhill Jul 2015 #27
Don't know what state this video is in, but in California... NV Whino Jul 2015 #32
Lane splitting is legal in CA. Not sure though if the footage was AZ or CA. LanternWaste Jul 2015 #5
Ah, it's an autmoatic license revocation here. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #6
Are you a 100% on that penalty? Glassunion Jul 2015 #24
We call them "organ donors" KamaAina Jul 2015 #20
Ok, I can see the citation as AZ prohibits lane splitting... bluesbassman Jul 2015 #7
Sorry, that's the penalty here if you are caught. eom MohRokTah Jul 2015 #10
Didn't know that. Thanks for the info. bluesbassman Jul 2015 #11
Which "here"? nt uppityperson Jul 2015 #13
Um, dude on motorcycle actually kept his cool- At 1:28 in the video asshole face snooper2 Jul 2015 #8
Motorcyclist needs to be cited for the lane splitting. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #9
At 1:26, he instantly looked like Gollum Glassunion Jul 2015 #16
I think the motorcyclist and his partner deserve praise... hunter Jul 2015 #26
The cyclist handled that JimDandy Jul 2015 #3
Only California, though none but Nebraska specifically forbid bicyclists from tblue37 Jul 2015 #31
Thanks. AmericanMotorcyclist.com has a good state-by-state JimDandy Jul 2015 #37
this guy is a real love god isn't he ????? olddots Jul 2015 #14
Attacker admitted to cops that he had consumed at least 5 shots of whiskey prior to the incident. Adsos Letter Jul 2015 #17
Play stupid games... Glassunion Jul 2015 #18
Yup. n/t Adsos Letter Jul 2015 #19
Well that explains it. At one point I thought he was having a psychotic episode. nt Fla Dem Jul 2015 #25
Focus now matt819 Jul 2015 #28
Agreed. Some folks cannot stand motorcycles, so you end up with the Glassunion Jul 2015 #29
In the comments on the YouTube version, someone says tblue37 Jul 2015 #30
here he is taking a nap Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #36
It's called punching above your IQ. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2015 #33
road ranger lost the fight. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2015 #35
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
1. Both people need to be cited.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jul 2015

The motorcyclist needs to have his license revoked and the other driver needs to be brought up on assault and battery charges.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. Splitting lanes is incredibly dangerous and unlawful.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

He admits to his crime on the tape.

Revoke his license.

The other guy belongs behind bars.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
12. Do you also advocate losing a drivers license for running a red light as that is incredibly dangerou
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:49 PM
Jul 2015

dangerous and unlawful? What other traffic laws should mandate losing drivers license for breaking?

A quick look gives me this on AZ land splitting.

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/rights/State-Laws.aspx?stateid=3

http://www.azleg.state.az.us/search/oop/qfullhit.asp?CiWebHitsFile=/ars/28/00903.htm&CiRestriction=motorcycle&CiBeginHilite=%3Cb%3E&CiEndHilite=%3C/b%3E&CiHiliteType=Full

28-903. Operation of motorcycle on laned roadway; exceptions

A. All motorcycles are entitled to the full use of a lane. A person shall not drive a motor vehicle in such a manner as to deprive any motorcycle of the full use of a lane. This subsection does not apply to motorcycles operated two abreast in a single lane.

B. The operator of a motorcycle shall not overtake and pass in the same lane occupied by the vehicle being overtaken.

C. A person shall not operate a motorcycle between the lanes of traffic or between adjacent rows of vehicles.

D. A person shall not operate a motorcycle more than two abreast in a single lane.

E. Subsections B and C do not apply to peace officers in the performance of their official duties.

sir pball

(4,756 posts)
22. It's actually only legal in CA
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:51 PM
Jul 2015

Well, technically it's "not illegal" - it isn't explicitly permitted, but it also isn't explicitly banned. Regardless, from my personal experience in ME, CT, PA and NY at least, enforcement is lax at best as long as you aren't being an irresponsible jackwagon about it (cruising through stopped highway traffic at 15mph, or threading up to the line at a stoplight, as opposed to duck-and-weave in traffic at 140).

If the cagers were taught to look before swerving, it wouldn't be an issue at all.

MineralMan

(146,320 posts)
23. I'd never split lanes. I don't ride any longer, but
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jul 2015

watching people drive, the very last thing I'd be doing is splitting lanes. Seems like a good way to end up dead to me.

When I have to drive in California, I keep a close eye on both side mirrors in heavy freeway traffic. In L.A. especially, lane-splitting happens all the time. I want to know if a bike is going to pass me within touching distance at all times. Most drivers, however, don't pay any attention to their side mirrors.

Scariest motorcycle ride I ever did was down the 405 at dusk. I pretty much had to change my underwear after I got where I was going. Cured me of L.A. freeway riding forever.

Now that I'm almost 70, I won't be on two wheels again.

sir pball

(4,756 posts)
34. I'll only do it in very limited situations
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

When traffic is stopped/under 5mph and dense enough that unexpected lane changes are impossible, e.g. a total jam on the highway or traffic at a light. If I see the tiniest gap that somebody could cut into I'll hold back until it closes. It's done me well for 15 years now; I have no desire or need to whip between two semis at 75. I keep my hooning on very familiar back roads with good lines of sight and reasonably safe runoff, thanks.

Never had the pleasure of riding Cali freeways and I'm pretty sure I don't want to.

sir pball

(4,756 posts)
21. It's almost entirely ignored in NYC.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:46 PM
Jul 2015

I've personally split on the Deegan right past a cop, and more than once split up to the line at a light in plain view. I came up right next to a cruiser once on Houston, and all I got was a smile and a wave.

It's really only dangerous because all cagers are homicidal idiots.

That said, I wouldn't argue with a citation for the rider since he was technically breaking the law but a license revocation is entirely disproportionate to the offense. Whatcha think we should do with stunters and ghostriders, summary execution?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. What is the time of that admission?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

First, I believe he said "...for getting between you and the road...". I missed the admission.

Second, there is no evidence that he did so.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
32. Don't know what state this video is in, but in California...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:46 PM
Jul 2015
With so many motorcyclists snaking through bumper-to-bumper freeway traffic, drivers are often surprised to learn that lane-splitting is not codified in law, Rice said, though for decades the California Highway Patrol has permitted the practice if done at moderate speeds.


A bill to legalize so-called lane-splitting cleared the Assembly last week by a wide margin, bolstered by a recent UC Berkeley study that found the controversial practice is relatively safe, so long as motorcyclists do it at 50 mph or slower. It must now pass the Senate and get Gov. Jerry Brown's signature to become law.


http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_28270036/legalizing-motorcycle-lane-splitting-makes-some-california-motorists
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. Lane splitting is legal in CA. Not sure though if the footage was AZ or CA.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

Lane splitting is legal in CA. Not sure though if the footage was AZ or CA.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
6. Ah, it's an autmoatic license revocation here.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:42 PM
Jul 2015

No more motorcycles for a year if you're caught doing it.

Too many deaths because of it.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
24. Are you a 100% on that penalty?
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

I looked it up and found that there is no requirement to appear before a judge, and it can be expunged after paying the fine if you attend a defensive driving course. Doesn't a license suspension require an appearance before a judge? It seems strange that you can have it expunged by taking a driving course.

The penalty is quite high in most municipalities from what I could look up... About $230.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
20. We call them "organ donors"
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jul 2015


There is a popular chain of pizza pubs in the Oakland area called "Lanesplitter".

bluesbassman

(19,378 posts)
7. Ok, I can see the citation as AZ prohibits lane splitting...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015

But why would you feel his license should be revoked?

On edit: saw your answer above, did not know the AZ penalty was so extreme.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
8. Um, dude on motorcycle actually kept his cool- At 1:28 in the video asshole face
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:43 PM
Jul 2015

Would have been popped at least two times in his fucking mug if that was me-

Shit I wanted to punch him through the video

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
9. Motorcyclist needs to be cited for the lane splitting.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jul 2015

Not the fight.

The dde that did the punching needs to spend some time behind bars.

hunter

(38,322 posts)
26. I think the motorcyclist and his partner deserve praise...
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jul 2015

... for removing an angry drunk from the roads.

I'm not sure I'd have been so restrained in my response to creepy violent drunk guy.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
3. The cyclist handled that
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jul 2015

pretty well. Wonder what state this was in? Some states specifically allow motorcyclists to go between cars as long as they are careful.

KWST is in Arizona.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
37. Thanks. AmericanMotorcyclist.com has a good state-by-state
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

breakdown of motorcycle laws. Their info is the same as yours, except for Arkansas has no law one way or the other about lane splitting/riding between the lines.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
17. Attacker admitted to cops that he had consumed at least 5 shots of whiskey prior to the incident.
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 02:06 PM
Jul 2015

That will increase the severity of charges against him, or at least add some new ones, I should think.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
28. Focus now
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:19 PM
Jul 2015

The nitpicking on the motorcyclist's driving was silly. We don't know what he did or didn't do. That wasn't on the video.

What he did in protecting himself and keeping the road rager under control was extremely restrained.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
29. Agreed. Some folks cannot stand motorcycles, so you end up with the
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:31 PM
Jul 2015

focus shifting.

There is zero excuse for road rage. None. I've recently had an experience where I almost was guilty of it myself. To the point where I flipped a u-turn, and followed someone into a parking lot. I was lucky that I calmed down enough and just rode off without doing anything I would later regret. In fact... It was just last Saturday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/111415335

I do admire this rider's restraint, especially since the dude pushed his significant other. I would have lost my cool at that point.

tblue37

(65,457 posts)
30. In the comments on the YouTube version, someone says
Fri Jul 17, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jul 2015

that he admitted to having 4 shots before driving!

Also, there are updates from the cyclist:

Driver of the car apparently broke his ankle when he went to the ground, which is why I'm told he did not go to jail <emphasis added>. He has multiple charges against him including endangerment, threatening, and assault. Myself and the police officers I spoke with clearly believe he was under the influence of something. Court date pending.

Update 07/13/15: Police department officials have told me that they are still waiting for blood test results to come back to determine what if anything was in the guys system, I will keep everyone posted.
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