Cecil killing dentist's driveway trashed with graffiti, pickled pigs feet and animal crackers

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vandals-strike-fla-vacation-home-cecil-lion-killer-article-1.2315241

[uppityperson]

1. I wish as much PUBLICITY was given to the # of people who commit suicide every day, or any other

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social issue. Yes, trophy hunting is a waste of resources and an animals life, but there are so many other issues that affect each of us. I don't get it beyond distraction from the other issues.

Eta I capped publicity since most people responding missed my point.

[WestCoastLib]

3. the difference...

No matter how many people commit suicide every day, your grand-children's grandchildren will still be able to see people.

There's a very real possibility that they won't be able to see lions along with a host of other currently existing species.

Now, it's a bit of a subset of the false-dichotomy fallacy anyway- the argument that outrage over one issue means there is less importance put on other issues.

However, I think you could make a very real argument that there aren't any issues that solely effect the human condition as important as any issues that effect the environment.

[uppityperson]

6. I don't understand that argument that because there are more people, they are worth less.

My point was that indeed, there is less have, less coverage, media and internet of suicides than of this lion. Let's simplify to female vets.

Do you see multiple DU threads or Facebook posts or calls to help them? I don't. Is the reason truly because "your grand-children's grandchildren will still be able to see people" so why be outraged?

I think it is to distract us.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-female-veteran-suicide-20150608-story.html#page=1

[WestCoastLib]

21. Yes, there are multiple facebook posts and DU posts about all of these issues.

What are you talking about?

There are literally thousands (if not hundreds of thousands or millions), of posts (both on DU and facebook) about mental illness, depression, suicide, & access to guns. These posts are constant and consistent over the entire course of DU's (and Facebook's) lifetime. There have been astronomically more of these than there have been Cecil the lion posts.

[uppityperson]

23. I'd kind to see those posts about suicidal female vets, as many and as much

outrage as about this lion. Did you read the article I linked to? You have no comment except to tell me there are many posts and outrage?

I think stories like a lion being shot for a trophy are meant to distract from the issues affecting us. Shiny thing! Look!

[WestCoastLib]

27. OK

Google Search: Facebook Suicide
142,000,000 results
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=facebook%20suicide

Democraticunderground Suicide:
112,000 results
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=democraticunderground+suicide

facebook cecil the lion
41,800,000 results
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=facebook%20cecil%20the%20lion

Democraticunderground cecil the lion:
13,100 results
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=democraticunderground+cecil+the+lion

There are, roughly, 100 million more suicide hits on facebook & DU than lion hits.

[uppityperson]

29. I do not think you read all the words of my post you replied to. Eom

[catbyte]

5. I think it's all interconnected, actually, uppity. It's a symptom of how sick we are as a society.

This rich 1%er spent an obscene amount of money to commit an obscene act--it's a sign of a rotting civilization, just like ancient Rome. Most of the people I've talked to about this said it isn't so much about killing a lion, it's about the values and morality--or lack of them--that infects the 1%. They value nothing other than their own sick pleasure, and that is what people are starting to realize.

[840high]

30. ... yep

[LanternWaste]

8. We invest millions of dollars into suicide prevention programs.

We invest millions of dollars annually into suicide prevention programs. Advertisements (publicity) of these programs are placed in buses, subways, billboards, television, magazine... pretty much any available medium.

[easttexaslefty]

24. Bullshit

That is blately untrue

[magical thyme]

10. Cecil didn't commit suicide and didn't really have a lot of choice in the matter.

His senseless slaughter is a loss to all of us, animal and nature lovers in particular.

Fwiw, I've been driven to the brink of suicide twice in the last 6 years. My animals are the only thing that keep me going. The 2nd time, after I wrote about it on DU when I started seeking homes for my pets, I was banished. Ironically, I got the practical help that I needed -- just a link to a gov program -- to overcome what seemed an insurmountable hurdle from a forum made up of banished DUers.

As somebody prone to depression who has been driven to the brink twice, I can write with authority that if I ever again get driven to the point that I give up and check out, I do NOT want any protests or demonstrations or any other bullshit on my behalf. Suicide is an intensely personal issue. Yes, there are societal and economic factors involved, but much of it goes well beyond that.

It's not like there aren't plenty of protests going on about other social issues, including suicide (eg just google Sandra Bland -- 53.3 million results; black lives matter -- 145.0 million results; occupy -- 74.8 million results).

I can't help but wonder why it bothers some people that others dare to protest the senseless slaughter of endangered species. It's not like there's any shortage of other protests out there.

[kwolf68]

44. Nice question

"I can't help but wonder why it bothers some people that others dare to protest the senseless slaughter of endangered species. It's not like there's any shortage of other protests out there."


I am sick and tired of the sanctimonious lecturing me on the important things.

Someone on Facebook asked why I was up in arms about this Lion when so many gay people were mis-treated, which is a more important issue. I responded why was she worried about cakes being made for gay couples when 21,000 children die every day because of starvation, a decidedly "more important" issue.

I am 100% for gay rights, but my point was to quit expecting others to view the world through her own eyes. The gay issue is what fires her up and I am so glad we got her and many many more out there speaking on behalf for that community and I'd never want them to NOT fight because there was a "more pressing" issue to deal with.

In the end, 99% of all philanthropic help goes to human related issues, so animal and nature causes are getting less than 1%. Excuse me if we want to hang onto that little bit of pittance for our causes and the rage and passion that accompanies it.

[magical thyme]

47. brilliant answer....I'm going to borrow it for future reference

"Someone on Facebook asked why I was up in arms about this Lion when so many gay people were mis-treated, which is a more important issue. I responded why was she worried about cakes being made for gay couples when 21,000 children die every day because of starvation, a decidedly "more important" issue. "

[LeftyMom]

26. This is a comparatively easy problem to solve.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

28. I think most people can be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

[uppityperson]

37. I agree. Perhaps you missed the 5th word "publicity".

[LiberalElite]

35. It's not important to you fine -

but don't trash what moves other people. No one is telling anybody to care about animals and not people. Yet many feel it's ok to denigrate people who care about other species. Many people can even care about animals AND people!

[uppityperson]

38. I am glad people care about animals. Do not attempt to assign motive that I do not.

I do wish, however, that things like suicidal female vets would get the publicity also.

[Skittles]

41. my dad killed himself

am I still allowed to find this dentist's actions absolutely deplorable?

[uppityperson]

43. Of course you are. How is saying I wish things like suicide,female vets suicides, got more publicity

saying you should not think this dentist's actions were deplorable?

[catbyte]

2. 7 hot sauced covered pickled pigs' feet?

Not sure what they were going for, there...

I don't condone vandalism, but I'm not gonna shed any tears for him. BTW, where is that cowardly POS, anyway?

[magical thyme]

4. in hiding. had at least 1 phoned in death threat.

hopefully the next time we see him will be on a plane to Zimbabwe.

[seveneyes]

11. The US is not going to extradite any citizen to a 3rd world criminal justice system

He may pay restitution and the guides that led him to the lion can donate their pounds of flesh to the local constabulary.

[magical thyme]

13. let him off, and the US will become the hideout of every criminal wanted in Zimbabwe who

has the means to escape to here. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[seveneyes]

16. I doubt every criminal wanted in Zimbabwe that can escape to the US are US citizens

If the US did not extradite non-US citizen Zimbabwe criminals, they would certainly deport them.

[magical thyme]

18. and of course, also a good way to make Zimbabwe the hangout of choice for criminals

the US wants. Then they can hold them for trade.

Works even better that way.

[SoCalMusicLover]

14. He's Not Going To Get Extradited

Something will be worked out, and I doubt he is ever sent there. People like him rarely get what they deserve.

[LiberalElite]

36. I guess they were looking for a gore effect butr

IMO they should have just used fake blood. Pigs die nasty deaths to end up as chopped body parts in the store, so these folks are not quite getting it.

P.S. I'm not condoning vandalism. I also don't approve of death threats.

[SheilaT]

7. Am I the only person

who, while not thinking very kindly of this man who killed the lion, don't think anyone has the right to vandalize his property? As for death threats, anyone making those should face the law.

[arcane1]

9. You are not.

Indeed, the only reason I'm not complaining about the effects of his employment is because he was self-employed.

[magical thyme]

12. no, they don't have the right. but that doesn't mean that I'm not smiling

at the thought of the vile "hunter" and his vile "huntress" wife becoming the hunted. Read last week that wifeypoo is on brink of nervous breakdown -- and that was before the vandalism and death threats.

Too effing bad for them. Life sucks when you're on the wrong end of a hunter's aim, isn't assholes? (them, not you)

[seveneyes]

17. If only the same could happen to all violent criminals right here in the US

Maybe the peer pressure would cause them to stop harming other humans.

[magical thyme]

20. I doubt sociopaths respond to peer pressure. But fear, like Mr. Great White Hunter

and his Great White Huntress wife now get to experience, might put a dent in it.

Most bullies turn into sniveling cowards when the tables turn.

[840high]

31. I'm smilling and I think my other self said "GOOD".

[Reter]

32. They are very foolish to write on his garage

He's got tons on guns. Once they are on his property, he can shoot them.

[FourScore]

39. I think it's horrible what they are doing. I'm so glad you are speaking out.

What the man did was unconscionable, but what others are doing to him now is also so wrong.

I think I am the only person in the world who actually pities the man at this point, and I am afraid to say that publicly for fear that the vitriol will be aimed at me.

It's all reached a fever-pitch that crossed a line a long time ago for me. This man's life is ruined. He could even get extradited to Zimbabwe. Can you imagine spending 10 years in prison there? His business is ruined. His life as he once knew it is completely over.

That doesn't mean I condone his actions or his...ugh..."hobby". It was disgusting and horrible.

Still, it's time to stop attacking the man and time to start attacking trophy killing. Using this momentum for the good of changing legislation would be the best IMO.

[Liberal_in_LA]

42. visualization is minimal. he can paint the garage door and rinse away the pigs feet

But still wrong to vandalize his property. I am sure it is quite frightening...

[Juicy_Bellows]

19. Well, you mess with the bull you get the horns.

[romanic]

22. I laughed at the animal crackers.

but I hope this doesn't lead to mob justice. The Lion Killer should face a court, not pitchforks.

[gollygee]

25. I agree

The animal crackers were at the level of a prank - make a point but cause no harm. But spray painting the garage door isn't OK. Vandalism isn't the way to handle this. I'm OK with public disapproval, but you're right that there's a line that shouldn't be crossed with it.

[FourScore]

40. Exactly. n/t

[The_Commonist]

33. Yeah... that house will be on the market soon!

Actually, since the dentist is a Republican, he'll just walk away from his mortgage and let the bank repossess it and sell it. He snuck in in the middle of the night and grabbed all their shit, dropped the kids off at Grandma's for the rest of the summer. He won't even notice this...

[lonestarnot]

45. You had me till, "He won't even notice this..." Yes he will the coward.

Not that I agree with this, what dog did the house or neighbors have the race? Not well thought out action. Prollee kiddies.

[JI7]

34. How about a protest to close down seaworld

Or something like that.

This is just too much and only about their own hate.

[easttexaslefty]

46. Fuck rich dentists

Can't wait til there heads areally trophies

[cwydro]

48. Wow, really?

Some of the posts I read here....

smh

[snooper2]

49. you are trying way too hard and we know you don't live in Texas

Sorry you are canned out of this thread but we'll chat some more in the future

[LanternWaste]

50. I'll say one thing for rich dentists...

I'll say one thing for rich dentists... they appear to have much better internalized grammar and English courses than you.

Might I suggest the following...

[Rex]

51. As a fellow Texan, I approve of this message.

Any rich asshole that want to mount decapitated heads on their walls, should be fair game to the animals they hunt.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

52. 'trashed' with animal crackers?

Well, ok, I guess once you put them on the ground they're trash, but I'm seeing them neatly placed in plastic cups, and left in the mulch beside the drive. The animal crackers look more like a memorial than 'trashing'.