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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Right wingers are watching this and laughing their asses off.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)Hillary strategists. Oh well I guess if republicans can have Sarah Palin, Black Lives Can Matter Less with this character whose name I happily forget.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)That doesn't invalidate the importance of addressing discrimination, police violence, and police racism.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Response to uhnope (Original post)
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cali
(114,904 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)in how to promote oneself, to the detriment of ones own cause & ones own nation.
Ooops, here I go again "telling black people what to do"...
ellie
(6,929 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)It wouldn't hurt people to locate the video when it becomes available and view it. And yes, white tears exist.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Or hang out on the internet other than here? I swear to God, I feel like it's donut day at the Legion today.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=white+tears
romanic
(2,841 posts)don't represent political movements amongst young people. Don't see us this BS as absolute truth.
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)You made me LOL
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There's some checked-out stuff happening this week. For real.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)when I see the DU reaction here, I shed a few white (small w) tears, that there is clearly an older generation "echo chamber": and if we can't even crack a window to look outside of it we're going to get stampeded by all the surprises coming at us.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I usually hear them all by the end of the year.
Because ageism is hilarious!
Lisa D
(1,532 posts)He'd be laughing with me. He loved donuts
melman
(7,681 posts)Do you seriously think people here aren't familiar with that?
That doesn't make it better.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)And? I find it hilarious.
romanic
(2,841 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)it's not new here.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)And they did it in the name of their brothers, sisters, kids, dads, mothers and friends dying in the streets.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)People screamed "How DARE you!" The total outrage about this one single incident is so telling.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)People need to get a grip.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Because we have video proof that these young women shoved not only Sanders but others on the stage.
There is ZERO video proof that people scream they should be tazered. Someone did try to post a lie that Sanders supporters were biting them. This ranks up there with this.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Hilarious because it's TRUE.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Lord.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)We don't need to hate white people.
I don't hate them.
Do you?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I bet it would sell like hotcakes here today too.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Zorra
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Hydra
(14,459 posts)"Where pebbles are polished and diamonds are dimmed."
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is coming from a nihilist, ok an anarchist
Kurska
(5,739 posts)As someone actually part of that generation, I know that.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)Now I get it. I should have seen it before. All us politically experienced white liberals whining over the public treatment of a life long fighter for civil rights during a national campaign that may decide the fate of those black lives are crying white tears.
Thank you. Thank you for enlightening me about white tears. I was so ignorant before learning about white tears.
I don't know how I'd ever understand what's really going on here without knowing about white tears... the same phrase PoC use to describe an impatient white person in line at a supermarket.
Clearly that and the white whining that followed what occurred in Seattle to Bernie Sanders are the same thing. How could I not see it?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)maybe she can get a black guy elected President to help her cause.
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Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)It's sad that worthy causes often attract those who want to put themselves before the cause. Hopefully her utter incompetence and selfish doesn't derail the cause she claims to stand for.
Fortunately stupid people often seem to like publicly post their stupidity for everyone to see.
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Vinca
(50,279 posts)Totally clueless.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)Hard to tell, isn't it, what with her manners being so impeccable.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)although hanging around DU, there are some clues
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts). . . the hatred of the Democratic process is already there, right?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)How cute. (euphemism for delusional)
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)regarding Serena Williams. The first thread got over 160 Recommendations.
Only a few misguided souls had a problem with that term then. So another DU'er had to post a thread to explain the term to the fragile white people who insist on being personally offended.
But that was before BLM had the audacity to use Bernie Sanders' (and Martin O'Malley's) events as a platform for their cause.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026969528
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026973122
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)changes the context.
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romanic
(2,841 posts)It's the equivalent of wearing Ed Hardy hat or an Abercrombie and Fitch shirt and thinking you're "trendy" or something.
romanic
(2,841 posts)If you got something to say, say it. If not go waste somebody else's time.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)She's an obnoxious combative woman that doesn't know how to talk to people. That changes nothing about the urgency of her cause.
nadinbrzezinski
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I knows will keep with the issues locally. I also know she is not representing all people in the movement. She is representing some of the "leadership." I use quotation marks since the movement is quite flat
So tell me. How exact do you think this helps the cause? She needs, whether she realizes this or not, a coalition. Her actions put a small tac nuke under it.
Snicker, autocorrect strikes again
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Is not relevant. All I can say is what I respond to.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Dr King was a pain in the ass to the system, So was Malcolm X. Both men became an incredible hard issue to control. This is the part that things like Selma do not even start to hint at.
Both men knew that they had to at times do some showy stuff... this is the street theater that always comes with movements. That is what happened on Saturday, street theater. But not one of their street theater was done without thinking carefully of the long game. This had none of that thinking.
AA are a repressed minority in this country. In some places it is even less than 10 percent of the population, How the hell do you think we are going to get changes in institutions that are not dominated by them? Who do you think controls those halls of policy making? In many cases, their allies. Some of whom will have their feelings hurt and turn away. BRAVO!!!!
At the end of his life, Malcolm X understood this. He could not go at it alone, and he wanted to earlier on. These women, are self identified leaders, and want to to at it alone. You need allies, And putting tac nukes under those alliances is not going to help you in the long run.
So perhaps it is not relevant to you, but I wish the movement starts thinking of this in more than it makes me feel good, I took it to the man! This movement is flat as hell, so anybody can claim to be a leader of it. but it is relevant to the near and far future. Maybe I am thinking about the lessons of history.
By the way the downfall of OWS, partially (and some segments are still around), was precisely the lack of a clear leadership and that anybody could speak for OWS... and nobody did. I just read Mrs Garza's statements on this. I actually saved it as well. She does not get it fully either. Or rather she is starting to realize this is a problem. But she does not realize what the solution is.
None of these folks are dumb... but some of these folks, like many young leaders around the world, are naive. It has nothing to do with skin color either, before you post that. It is age, and life is about to deal them some really hard lessons. Some will learn from them... some will not. It is what it is.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)wedge politics (plural wedge politics)
(politics) A strategy or pattern of behavior by a politician, political party, or advocacy group which is intended to have a divisive effect on one's political opponents or on the electorate, especially by emphasizing an issue which polarizes opinion along racial, regional, or other demographic lines.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)ronnie624
(5,764 posts)Such knowledge is ever useful.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)as is the possibility of dissolving the wedge once we reach an understanding
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Thank dog it was back before Facebook and we didn't have the opportunity to look like horses asses in front of the whole world.
She didn't win anybody over to her cause and she made a fool of herself.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Is starting to be common.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Some people on here what to wear their prejudice like a badge of honor. They can't cause they know they'll be put on time put as a consequence. So instead they live through losers like Marissa and defend her like Crusaders to Christ.
Am i wrong, look at the few defending her and tell me if you don't see what i see.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)dgibby
(9,474 posts)Lots of folks her age have served several tours of duty in the Mid East. Her age in no excuse for her behavior. If she were still in her teens, I'd agree, but not now. When I was 24, I was taking care of Viet Nam vets who'd been blown to bits. She's a self-serving narcissist who has aligned herself with anti-semites and other questionable groups, and is NOT doing BLM any favors. I support BLM despite her actions, not because of them.
apnu
(8,758 posts)Makes me sad.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Sorry to get fragile white feelings upset.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I don't see fragility when I see caring people trying to understand how antisocial authoritarian actions hurt a worthy cause and why anyone would resort to them.
Do you also think polite people are weak?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)I see people trying to crucify this young woman based on tiny snippets of information. This is the subject of numerous threads here on DU.
I see very little interest in understanding at all.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)She doesn't give a fuck anyway...or so she says.
You will know them by their actions, right?
kwassa
(23,340 posts)A long video interview with her was posted today here on DU.
The comments responding to her indicated that posters neither watched or cared what she had to say.
Jappleseed
(93 posts)Cause and effect.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)There is a link between her and Louis Farakan...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7065313
I still haven't been able to watch the entire video. I don't see people going after her but YMMV.
I have watched her in action and read some of her writing and seen some pictures. She's young but I think there is more to it. I think her world view is skewed very rightward from mine. The fact that she's black just brings into focus that like any other group of people you have a spectrum, this isn't news to most people.
I don't support this person, I support BLM but they don't make it easy when they won't address the issues she brought to the table.
Is she a racist, a Jew hater.....why did she do and say what she did? Why did she do it the way she did? These are reasonable questions. I look at things and try to understand, it's the way I am....and I'm not alone.
The hashtag BowDownBernie didn't help anyone or anything...it's hateful and I don't like hateful people. I sure as hell don't make excuses for them and I don't care what color they are.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/09/1410107/--bowdownbernie
This isn't about destroying a young woman, or discrediting BLM but many want it to be, but I don't want my white tears to spill over on you. (snark)
Oh, here's a link for you about JusticeOrElse...
https://mobile.twitter.com/seattle_justice
romanic
(2,841 posts)Stop acting like this little girl is important and that criticism of her is racist. If you don't like what the majority on here say, then leave!
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)romanic
(2,841 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I mean, I'm just as amazed as you that it hasn't inspired people to take up a deep interest in her other opinions.
Funny how people that rail against racism, use racist terminology, to try and get people to stop being racist....
Makes perfect sense....
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)She seems not to know that we all want to be judged not by the color of our skin but by the lives we lead.
A lot of white people have done far more to achieve the goals of racial justice than she has. And some of them were probably in that crowd. Because a lot of the work that has been done that has moved our country from institutionalized segregation and the deprivation of rights at almost any level for Black people -- segregated bus seating, segregated schools, segregated drinking fountains, Jim Crow in every aspect of life, segregated neighborhoods, menial labor only for Black people, all the things I remember from the 1950s, to at least the point where police killings and racial profiling by police are viewed as problems to be solved, was done by committed white people working with their Black brothers and sisters.
Last night at the Bernie event, I met an elegant white lady who did not look like the stereotype Bernie supporter. I asked her why she was there. She said she had been a social worker all her life. We looked at each other with a knowing look. Two white women, each knowing more than either of us really would like to know about the misery in the world. That woman and I are not young. We have seen the wrongs and done what we could to make the world better. We agree that it is Bernie who has the simplicity, the directness, the dedication to actually make some changes in our society. We have walked the walk and we know how hard that is.
When I was 24, i thought I knew everything. I had ideals, hopes and dreams and I thought I could achieve so much more than my parents' generation had.
I did not realize that others older than me had paved the way for me, that I would be able to move just a little further toward achieving my dream of a just society because other dedicated people had paved the way for me. I did not realize that the world is not nearly as simple as I believed. I did not understand how hard it is to achieve justice, how many hurdles you have to jump, how many times you will fall, how hurt you can be, how what you have achieved will be disdained by those who follow you and take what you did for granted.
There are a lot of white people out there who have made lifting the poor regardless of race, visiting prisons, helping the sick and sacrificing for justice, their life's purpose. There are many black people who have done the same.
One day, this young woman will look back at what she did in Seattle and realize that she did not invent the civil rights movement and that she is part of history but does not dominate it. It takes slow, steady work, one person at a time, one police officer, one judge, one district attorney, one hand reached out to someone in need, one journalist, one Congressman, one policeman, one person at a time to make change. And that is why change comes slowly and then suddenly it is there and you can finally measure it. But that sudden change was actually slow in coming, one hand reaching to another, lifting the other up, over time.
We do need justice, and we need it now, but to get it we have to be united. Anything that detracts from uniting our energy around our goals of justice, both with regard to race and to economics, with regard to the rights of women, children, working people, students, all groups that are the victims of injustice just increases the injustice for all.
Young people need to appreciate the sacrifices that older people of all races have made to at least get a world in which they, the young people, can carry the torch of justice a bit further.
I said I would not post on race issues any more. So many of those who post on these issues don't know what they are talking about, can't distinguish friend from foe. It's pitiful.
Right now, the first order of business is to get Black voters and young voters to vote in mid-term elections. Congress presents and passes the laws. And if Black Lives Matters thinks that the Democratic candidates for the White House are a problem, they need to think again. Because it is the Republicans in their state and federal legislatures who are the real impediments to police and justice reform. And when Black voters refuse to support progressive candidates because of the color of their skin, and when Black voters stay home at mid-term elections, they seal their own fate. They should not be accusing people who have fought for their rights. They should be getting out and voting. I realize that DUers are voters. I'm talking about people in our communities who don't vote unless it is a presidential election. We have to end that. That is the impediment to real reform.
dgibby
(9,474 posts)I'm taking her at face value, have no reason not to believe what she says, or that she's not sincere. I just think she's doing lots more harm than good, and I don't appreciate the damage she's doing to BLM, something I support wholeheartedly.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)PeaceNikki
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PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)and after. They interrupted a fucking stump speech, they didn't kill puppies. They didn't throw bricks at him. Minor disruptions in the cushy lives of people. Yeah, they said some nasty hurtful shit but they've heard it all themselves that day and their entire lives. They're pissed. I get it. People are dying and they're asking to be heard.
They're angry and scared and hurt at what's happening to their brothers and sisters and children and friends.
They're trying to affect change. Sanders and O'Mally now have comprehensive plans laid out regarding racial justice. Neither did before these disruptions.
So... I'm baffled as to why this needs explanation
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kwassa
(23,340 posts)look at her reasoning, not a word that upset you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Ok, If I used the exact same terms used against the son of a man who lost many of his family in the camps, because their lives did not matter... I would be hidden and rightly so. And as a member of that generation, just on the pother end, who's direct family also lost 50 relatives who went up in smoke at Treblynka I am not being sensitive when I say this young woman needs a lesson in manners and how to create movements.
These people want to blow up any allies, They applied a tac nuke under alliances going back decades. Their intent is to go at it alone. They likely will not succeed, becuase many of the allies are a tad brighter than that. But this has done a lot of damage and leaders know this. I am not talking about Mrs Garza either, who would love to blow the whole system to kingdom come. But I already heard from local leaders who are worried of the support they will get from now on due to these stunts. They are rather far more sensitive to the damage already done.
And I am not talking about myself. I am talking about people in the inner city. I just report on this.
And no I will not press my luck and use those terms against you. The fact that you are so tone deaf to this is rather telling though. I would rather think it is due to a political campaign, but will reserve my judgement since I have seen plenty of antisemitism on this site already...
kwassa
(23,340 posts)This is about issues relating to African-Americans.
Don't divert this down unrelated alleys. There is no antisemitism here. Stick with the issues actually talked about, not imagined issues.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Bernie losing relatives in the holocaust has zip to do with this event.
How many millions of Africans died in the Middle Passage? Shall we go down that alley?
Or are we going the Christian extremist route? Melissa is a LEFTIST Christian extremist, in her own self-description.
What exactly do you think that means? Do you even have a concept?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)please do have the last word.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)This is not about Hillary. If it happened or happens to her, I would have the exact same feelings about it. Can you say the same honestly?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I will reserve my judgement... it is that simple.
And I reacted to the obvious ignoring of facts
Have an excellent day, please proceed to have the precise last word.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Weird.
One I am sure will be seen as "bad" and racist, the other will be seen as edgy and an intelligent way to discuss issues and make friends.
When neither of them really have a place amongst progressives.
rogerashton
(3,920 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and has the same amount of usefulness in fighting racism and helping elect progressives.
Bok_Tukalo
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phleshdef
(11,936 posts)She is very very ignorant
romanic
(2,841 posts)You know she wanted to but is walking on eggshells to keep that hate bottled up.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)But her FB page is shut off from comments from non-friends.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)phleshdef
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uhnope
(6,419 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)what are the white tears supposed to be for?
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)It even gave me kind of a sad. I was like hey, I thought we were friends. Then I realized that not everything was about me.
romanic
(2,841 posts)and other black activists that think like her; YOU are THEM along with POC who don't agree or think like her. Remember that and ask yourself if that's okay.
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)She can think whatever she wants. How does it hurt me half a country away from her?
I'm certainly not going to stop my support of any organization that calls for the end of police brutality over it. Not to mention hostile reactions will only prove her right. If BLM is telling progressives that racial justice isn't their priority then shouldn't we listen? Republicans sure in hell aren't going to. I doubt even most people who call themselves Democrats probably wouldn't listen.
I'm proud to be a progressive. Even the word itself is lovely. We are open minded and willing to make change in the world. We need to listen to what BLM is saying (and afaic they are supporting her) because honestly, who else do you think is going to?
romanic
(2,841 posts)You would be considered her enemy in her ideaology. Doesn't matter if you're listening and checking your privilege; you would be her enemy.
IVoteDFL
(417 posts)I don't care what she thinks about me personally, or white people as a whole.
The organization is too important to abandon because people don't like how a few delivered their message.
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Rex
(65,616 posts)I don't care. She can drink whatever she wants to or pretend she is drinking whatever she wants to...I guess it matters to someone, somewhere.