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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsvoters know Bernie and Trump can't win, they just don't care yet
Theres actually a very good reason: Its because people do care about electability. They just dont care about it yet.
Witness this new poll showing Sanders leading Clinton in New Hampshire. The poll, from Franklin Pierce University, shows just 7 percent of people say being the most electable is their top criterion. On the GOP side, just 3 percent says it's their top criterion. In both parties, about six in 10 emphasize the issues, first and foremost.
Similarly, last months national Washington Post-ABC News poll showed picking a candidate who has the best chance of winning was the top priority for just 3 percent Republican- and Demcoratic-leaning voters. 3 percent!
So its not-so-surprising to see a candidate like Sanders (or Trump) rise to the top.
Voters are actually pretty smart in that they know these guys probably can't win. A June Monmouth poll showed 59 percent of Democratic voters said Sanders would have a worse chance than Clinton; only 13 percent thought he'd have a better chance. A CBS News poll last month, meanwhile, showed 78 percent of Democratic voters said Clinton was their most electable candidate, while just 5 percent said that of Sanders. That's even as 17 percent supported Sanders.
So clearly, even his supporters know the deal. They just don't care -- at this stage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/13/the-one-big-reason-neither-donald-trump-nor-bernie-sanders-can-keep-this-up/
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)... oh shit, suddenly it looks like we could win!!
I was at a Drinking Liberally meetup this past tuesday - full of what-should-be-enthusiastic Hillary supporters - and all but a couple would indeed happily pull the lever for her if she's the nominee (and fully expect she will be). And yet every one of us had Bernie at the top of their list for support right now. And I'm talking some female, life-long Dems in the group. (had a couple of idiots who actually admire Trump too :smh: - but they also are pro Bernie).
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Let me know if one emerges.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)This will probably get locked for not being in the GD-P forum.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)I don't think so.
This is not your grampa's election.
azmom
(5,208 posts)They are feeling the Bern
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)I think eithre of them could win.
Populism, on both sides, is proving a powrful force in this election.
daredtowork
(3,732 posts)A funny thing happened on the way to general collapse of America's ability to support creative artists. Reviewers stopped reviewing according to criteria of quality and stopped trying to imagine standards of eternal value. (Yep, doesn't that sound stodgy and conservative?) Instead, reviews of art "products" reflect the scale of market preference - usually scored by Internet clicks, Likes, etc. These preferences are shaped by the money invested in PR and hype, so people who are already celebrities or people who have the money to buy PR accumulate the clicks: suddenly their book/movie/song is the most popular, so it must be the "best". The crowd has deemed it so!
Meanwhile, the humanities teachers who tried to establish a canon usually did so from a white-privileged position and fell afoul of so many challenges, that they abandoned their responsibilities and cultural leaders all together and simply bemoan "everything is relative these days!". So who can blame the general public when they don't rally around the cause of supporting Humanities departments or cultural institutions like the NEA when even the teachers are saying that there are no criteria if we can't have white criteria, and we should throw out all this useless Liberal Arts education in favor of narrow employment training.
Now we get to the candidates. Hillary is the most marketable. She has the PR department behind her. She has the clickbait. Therefore she's the "best". Wow, talk about giving America the President we deserve.
LostOne4Ever
(9,290 posts)Vinca
(50,318 posts)He makes Trump look like Albert Einstein.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Of course, he only won by one vote -- Sandra Day O'Connor's.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)A sarcastic tip of the hat to the Bezos-owned WaPo Release 2.0.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I am a voter and I know Bernie can indeed win and is winning the heart of the people. He exposes the injustices and shines the light of truth on the cause of the maladies that plague the Nation.
This is a huge paradigm shift occurring in the thinking of the people - they are waking up to the fact that they have been had - we all have - and no longer will old rhetoric, tactics, and political shenanigans will work. The people have had enough.
This time it is different.
Bernie can win. Bernie will win. Because he has to. The world needs him.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Hillary: "Oh, please. Like I'm going to lose the Democratic nomination to a left-wing senator nobody's ever heard of."
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Good one although some may not think so.
It is history afterall.
cali
(114,904 posts)is both repugnant and transparent.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)after 4 hours
cali
(114,904 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)no more posters eligible to host.
Marr
(20,317 posts)madville
(7,412 posts)Were saying the same type of thing about Obama in 2007/2008. How'd that work out for them?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No mountain is climbable until someone climbs it. Every ship is unsinkable until it sinks. No one is electable until they're elected... dime-store prophets and editorial pretense notwithstanding.
H2O Man
(73,634 posts)Both Sanders and/or Trump could win -- not only their respective primary contests, but the general election as well.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)This is progress.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)n/t
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Her campaign needs to work on messaging because this is not getting it done.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)You seem to be saying the election will be Jeb vs Hillary no matter what....
So why bother pay any attention to politics if our party overlords are going to make these decisions for us?
onecaliberal
(32,916 posts)Pushing that corporate meme.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)that electability is important, that isn't really true. They will change their minds later because the magic 8 ball told me so.
There is a fact that some just can't get their heads around. Many of Sen Sanders supporters are anti-Clinton. Many are only voting because they see a rare opportunity to elect someone with integrity.
And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that if Clinton supporters say they will proudly support who ever gets the nomination, and you have some Sen Sanders supporters saying that they will never support Clinton, that Sanders would get more support in the general than Clinton.
(Sanders supporters + Clinton supporters) in the general if Sanders is the nominee.
(Clinton supporters + a few Sanders supporters) in the general if Clinton is the nominee.
Simple math shows that Sanders is more electable. And I didn't even include some Republicans that are saying they like Sander's message. Zero Republicans like Clinton's message.
Marr
(20,317 posts)No one gets elected?
sendero
(28,552 posts).... is one inch thinking from someone unfamiliar with history.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Trump bought his way through life. He is untested, electorally.